Cheating in POC

[Gear]

Best thing to do if you see mids/albs bug abusing in poc is to PM me their loc, I'll take care of the rest

 

[Chronictank]

Tell me this chronic why dont you see that climbing up a wall and pbaoeing isnt cheating ? in fact better someone want to explain how you climb up a sheer wall without steps ?

also last time i checked on my ml raid i wasnt bugabusing when we tanked down talos nor were we abusing when we did the same with phoneix. Big difference when dealing with tethered mobs that cant be pulled out but still have to be tanked. Than pbaoing mobs that cant hit you at all because they cant reach you but you can reach them

Wrong you put healers out of range where he COULD NOT HIT THEM, if you stand on the edge you can pbaoe the mob and he cant hit you back. How is this any different from WALKING UP STAIRS PUT THERE IN THE GAME DESIGN than standing at a mob pathing limit?
you have a very strange sence of what it right and wrong since on Alb/Hib theurgists and animists can happily shroom/Pet away to get the to-hit high enought and let the pbaoers do their work.

If its a bug they cant fix its "working as intended" , if its something they cant be bothered to fix its a bannable offence.

 

[Bistrup666]

Whenever I find someone XP abusing, I let them know they are abusing a bug deliberately and it is a bannable offense.

If they then cease and seem genuine in the fact they weren't aware, I do nothing.

If they say "fuck off" or "qq n00b" or other mature replies I often get, they go straight to a GM for a ban.

Don't cheat. Simple.

Omg I agree with the alb :eek2:

/hug

 

[Maff]

In PoC there not steps m8 its part of the wall that just there to make it look diffrent.

all we can rally see from this is the people who are happy to cheat bug abues what ever ya want to call it.
and them with morals and who play the game they way that there are allowed to.
thing is if its not cheating any way and your reported then you not got any ting to worry about.
if it is cheat then ah well your fault so qq.

i seen it in PoC and reported it and if i see it again i'll do the same,
if your ok to do it then GoA wont ban ya if they think you are cheaing thn your loss you took that risk.

just think of the ban as a long release timer afterthe Mob finaly hitting you

 

[Eyeball]

OmG its the Cheat Police!!

 

[Chronictank]

In PoC there not steps m8 its part of the wall that just there to make it look diffrent.
-snip-
you

point is
you are cheating too every time you do 8.10 and many other artifacts
so therefore noone in this game has morals by your reckoning

 

[Maff]

point is
you are cheating too every time you do 8.10 and many other artifacts
so therefore noone in this game has morals by your reckoning

ok fine then take a SS of me each time i do 8.10 and report it if they think i'm cheating i'll get a 3day ban simple.

trying to make it out that cheating right by aying well you do it when u do xx or yy dont get over the fact your cheating.
if i doubt take a SS report it and let GoA make up there minds

I dont care if i think some one cheating by pulling mobs to where they can hit you then i'll ss it and send it simple if u see me do it ya more than welcom to do the same.

using well on 8.10 the healer can be hit cos u put them out of range true but the tank still get hit still a chance of not been able to kill it.
thats the diffrence how the person in PoC was doing it was there no risk and way they get kill.

 

[Chronictank]

ok fine then take a SS of me each time i do 8.10 and report it if they think i'm cheating i'll get a 3day ban simple.

trying to make it out that cheating right by aying well you do it when u do xx or yy dont get over the fact your cheating.
if i doubt take a SS report it and let GoA make up there minds

I dont care if i think some one cheating by pulling mobs to where they can hit you then i'll ss it and send it simple if u see me do it ya more than welcom to do the same.

using well on 8.10 the healer can be hit cos u put them out of range true but the tank still get hit still a chance of not been able to kill it.
thats the diffrence how the person in PoC was doing it was there no risk and way they get kill.

read above
and no you are unlikely to get banned.
GOA have given NO guidance to what is working as intended and what isnt, they say half the bug abuses are allowed but others arent. I asked requil a while ago if i was allowed to use mob pathing to my advantage he said yes (regarding 8.10). But evidently you arent allowed to abuse pathing on mobs such as cyrek, its just retarded logic and they get away with it cus of a clause in the coc saying in reality they can ban you whenever they feel like it for doing nothing as they own your accounts not you

 

[Surprising Death]

Best thing to do if you see mids/albs bug abusing in poc is to PM me their loc, I'll take care of the rest

Lol, hAHA gonne do that ;>

 

[Akyma]

mmmm, after read all post, i see how u r irl (i think ;p)

Type a: the typical guy, who in school all slap him and he never know why. Typical guy who run to his mother or his teacher tell what any other guy done, like smoke in school toilet, and other thing likle that.

Type b: the typical guy, who go toilet smoke (cause he is little moron and start smoke too early ), and get a bann of 3 days from school...

Typical tipe b usual kick typical type a arse after report, but here in da0c the type b cba travel for a gay buged game.

who r u?

PS: HAO AMIGO Kathal, Tarzan think, u self pwned (Just so you know I have never been banned even though ppl have tried.
Pulling Eramai to the guards was not bug abusing. Not according to the ppl I asked via “rightNow” and there have been a few ppl trying to get be a 3 day ban for that without any luck.)

 

[Coldbeard]

Interesting post Takhy as always.

Please enlighten us on how people playing Warlock to rr9L6 by playing 24/7 are in IRL then? I am dying to know

 

[sendoh]

awarkle chronic is saying that you yourself have cheated on ml raids, m8 if u have then u need to be quite, and think about your own actions, here and hib , because cheating is cheating wether it big or small.

 

[Fenderon]

so I guess killing mobs that are suppose to be able to reach you where you stand is the same as healing from a distance mob is not (coded to have a limited movement range..) suppose to be able to reach you.

ok.

 

[Arumos]

i'm with another poster (cba to find name) report the bug, not the player. don't see why we can't have a patch where they just fix all inbalances and bugs instead of adding all the new crap, read the future patch notes even more insane ablilities are being added.

wouldn't be suprised if rms get styles or summot a few patches into the future, although an evade reactonary style/spell would be kool :worthy:

 

[Awarkle]

awarkle chronic is saying that you yourself have cheated on ml raids, m8 if u have then u need to be quite, and think about your own actions, here and hib , because cheating is cheating wether it big or small.

then i want chronic to send a rightnow saying i have done with proof, which tbh i dont think he has because

1. ml8 i didnt cheat
2. ml9 i didnt cheat.

the point chronics trying to make is this.

if your on a master level raid with a tethered mob which has no aoe or ranged attacks you can effectivly kill it without any risk to yourself IE say ml mob A can not reach you after a certain point and you stand there and nuke it down because it is TETHERED IE doesnt follow you to the ends of the earth. Such as the phoneix or talos or the dragon etc etc. (most epic mobs are tethered to stop them being kited into towns and such and let loose).

Which is different too purposfully finding a bugged los spot where by mobs cant reach you. Its happened to me when playing my animist you used to find bugged LOS spots where shrooms couldnt be hit by mobs but could attack ******ds. The problems in POC and VENDO and other dungeons (you could do it in corus and people have) is where you purposfully climb up the walls (which you can do) the mobs wont follow because there is no pathing information so they mill around below you out of range of close combat and you get a caster normally pbaoe to just nuke and it doesnt matter if they are all green or all red the caster has no risk to themselves and can nuke the mobs.

That is a bug exploit which is different to master level or artifact encounters which ok might seem similar are specifically set up for it. And for peoples information ive managed to level my artis to lvl 10 (just wing dive now) without having to cheat we have tanked down every single mob properly with a tank groups.

 

[RS|Phil]

The difference is that with speedhack you gain an unfair advantage OVER OTHERS. Exping your artifacts a bit faster (some people don't have unlimited time to do stuff, and it's not even fun grinding the same mobs for 16 hours straight just to get artifacts leveled, when you've already done that grind once to get lvl 50) hurts noone, only the bugabuser is affected and only him gains from it. Ofc he takes the risk so he shouldnt whine if he gets caught by GOA, but i see no reason for a fellow realmm8 to report him since it's not really any of his business.

Awesome reply I don't think exploiting bugs in PvE is anywhere near the same as outright cheating in RvR. As he said above, the expoits give you nothing cept some easy XP. I don't see how speedhacking and using radar are anywhere near this is in terms of severity - it's ridiculous to try and put them together. Be sensible.

I, however, don't think people should use these bugs to XP. I've never done it but have seen people doing it. I'll basically send them a quick PM advising against it because if someone reports them they'll be suspended. I personally won't report anyone for it - what's the point? The kind of person that WOULD report them is a bit childish in my honest opinion. I really can see no need to report people for it beyond satisfying some immature need to tell-tale. If I get a PM from someone saying that one of my guildies is abusing bugs in Vendo or PoC - it has happened - I'll drop the person in question a PM and tell them to stop it or they're looking at a suspension. But not because I reported them. As far as I'm concerned I've done my bit and I'll leave 'em to it. If the person who PM'd me in the first place wants to, they can report them and I'll make sure they understand that I'm ok with them doing that and there'll be no hard feelings.

But I aren't saying I disagree with any action GoA take. I know, I'm a confusing man. You exploit bugs and you can get banned, simple as. The thing I'm saying is that I don't agree with the reasons people give for reporting other people who are exploiting the bugs. I find it highly unlikely that anyone is so seriously offended by someone abusing a pathing bug that they're shocked to their very core and have to right the wrong immediately by filling out a report to RN. They do it to go "Haha pwned" which is just fucking stupid and they should grow up. Don't kid yourselves, this is the reason behind it.

 

[sendoh]

if your on a master level raid with a tethered mob which has no aoe or ranged attacks you can effectivly kill it without any risk to yourself IE say ml mob A can not reach you after a certain point and you stand there and nuke it down because it is TETHERED IE doesnt follow you to the ends of the earth. Such as the phoneix or talos or the dragon etc etc. (most epic mobs are tethered to stop them being kited into towns and such and let loose).

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i would like u to think about this m8, because i consider it cheating, u were not meant to be able to kil from a distance it is a form of bug abuse, and as i say cheating is cheating big or small, and if u feel so strongly about this then report the bug so that it may be fixed, easy

 

[Fenderon]

i would like u to think about this m8, because i consider it cheating, u were not meant to be able to kil from a distance it is a form of bug abuse, and as i say cheating is cheating big or small, and if u feel so strongly about this then report the bug so that it may be fixed, easy

you still dont get it, do you?

"suppose to be able to hit you but cant because of you standing in a funny place" and "not suppose to be able hit due to mob being coded that way"

RightNow the ml8 and ml9 raids then.. and the people that kill chan and his brothers with a seer out of range.. etc etc.. gogo!

 

[Sigidil]

This is even better then going to a movie !!

Plz continue with the :touch: kids !

 

[Z^^]

Exp police strikes again.

 

[kvol]

This is even better then going to a movie !!

Plz continue with the :touch: kids !

agree on that one..

givf more uke:

 

[lovelyone]

Cheating either way is bad i agree with eggy on this tell em if they not react or spam rude things report them

PVE RVR it doesnt matter how you abuse bugs its still cheating in RVR u gain realm points and thus getting new abil`s with it it is still gained by unfair play and i see it then as a advantage u may not yet have above other players same goes with ML`s u gain something thruw cheating its still bad and PVE samething u gain lvls thruw unfair play thus an unfair advantige if you want a RVR ready char dont bother playing pve just go ebay and buy a account or something

and if the developers should have waited with every expansion they brought out to fix ALL bugs this game would be down every 2 years for atleast 6months coz the need to test all spots so dont blame the developers for the bugs u find and thus exploid its your own fault for using them and if a friendly player warns you and u still go at it u now what happens

greetings from Agirl

 

[Chronictank]

Cheating either way is bad i agree with eggy on this tell em if they not react or spam rude things report them

PVE RVR it doesnt matter how you abuse bugs its still cheating in RVR u gain realm points and thus getting new abil`s with it it is still gained by unfair play and i see it then as a advantage u may not yet have above other players same goes with ML`s u gain something thruw cheating its still bad and PVE samething u gain lvls thruw unfair play thus an unfair advantige if you want a RVR ready char dont bother playing pve just go ebay and buy a account or something

and if the developers should have waited with every expansion they brought out to fix ALL bugs this game would be down every 2 years for atleast 6months coz the need to test all spots so dont blame the developers for the bugs u find and thus exploid its your own fault for using them and if a friendly player warns you and u still go at it u now what happens

greetings from Agirl

I blame the developers for not fixing the ones that are reported, i sent a message to mythic about a few bugs about 2 yrs ago and still they havent been fixed such as that in vendo and spindel, instead they release useless expansion after expansion creating more and more bugs but not fixing the ones they already know about.

you still dont get it, do you?

"suppose to be able to hit you but cant because of you standing in a funny place" and "not suppose to be able hit due to mob being coded that way"

You still dont get it do you?, you dont even know why you cant be hit despiite being posted 100 times over. The mobs dont hit you because their pathing prevents it, they have been coded that way to stop them running into the walls, pull a few mobs and kite them against the wall you can see for yourself. When you stand on the step you are effectively "in the wall", so they cant get at you. Therefore the mobs are working as intended no? there was no bug abuse to get to the spot you simply run up. Therefore it is exactly the same as using the coding on such ML encounters to your advantage.

But then from a customer support service who ban you for reporting a new working radar i expect no less

 

[Maff]

Chronic you make me laugh you knowits cheating youand you know it bug abuse yet you still doing it.
yet you will whine when you get banned.
your trying (badly) to justifie it but face it your cheating and if ya chaugt you'll gget a ban again and then come whien at the person who reported you.

all the but he dose this on ml xx and they done that fien thats them and if they get reported for it thenthats there prob.
dont try to make out cheating is right.
if GoA or mythic or who ever says one thing is bug abuse and one thing is,well that their say so their game, if you want to play you have to by their rule even if you dont like them.
if not find another ame to go cheat on

 

[Chronictank]

Chronic you make me laugh you knowits cheating youand you know it bug abuse yet you still doing it.
yet you will whine when you get banned.
your trying (badly) to justifie it but face it your cheating and if ya chaugt you'll gget a ban again and then come whien at the person who reported you.

Im not justifying anything, im saying you all have cheated and are going to in the future and goa have no guidelines to say where the limits are.
With nothing to say what abuses are right and what are wrong how do they feasibly expect players to distinguish between the 2? Yes i have posted on right now and have yet to recieve a responce.
I am however saying how pathetic i think the people who report players for their own little twisted satisfaction rather than reporting the bugs themselves are

all the but he dose this on ml xx and they done that fien thats them and if they get reported for it thenthats there prob.
dont try to make out cheating is right.
if GoA or mythic or who ever says one thing is bug abuse and one thing is,well that their say so their game, if you want to play you have to by their rule even if you dont like them.
if not find another ame to go cheat on

its not goa's game so its useless reporting anything to them since they will do sweet fcuk all about it, any bugs i find i report to mythic and have yet to see any (except cb after a year) be fixed.

 

[Maff]

chronic i'm going to agree with you that yes these bug have ben reported and yes they not sorted them out.
but how can u say that some thing that you know as a bug and that people HAVE been banned for is ok to use cos no one sorted it out,or that on ML you can do this and that.
as for people who go to report you well that up to them nothing you can do about it even a whien dont help cos as seen in this thred there all ways 2 sides for and against.
simple thing you know the bug you know its "shouldnt be use" if you do well your risk.
all warky was saying is a warning to people that iuf they use is they might get banned it was a warning,just think of it as a in game pm or you should stop that.
up to any one to heed it or not

 

[RS|Phil]

I think he's saying that morally it's no better than someone who's been banned for bug exploiting - it's just that in GoA's ruleset you are

 

[Danord_durin]

Me Tarzan tink that trols is stuped.

Well Tarzan you might be able to kill stuff out there and speak with the animals, but you are still a complete moron.
If ppl abuse bugs they will be reported. Yes there are some minor bugs here and there, but I’m sure we can live with them till they have time to fix them. Till they do its up to every single person to not use them. I think this clear to all that this bug will get you banned. If you "use" it you take a chance and I’m sure the ppl doing so are aware of the risk. Anyways it’s only a 3 day ban the first time.

I remember ur fucktard guild inc u pulling cyrek to guards in haven and killing under water, i would call that bug abuse High moral

 

[Shadowen]

TBH. Report the bug not the people (well cheaters in RvR I'll report myself, but in PvE I don't see the need) if people want to report other people for PvE exploits, well that's up to their conciense, and code of ethics/morals.

However, Personally I prefer to report the bug, rather than the person..

The way I do that is, observe the bug, verify that it is repeatable - this means you must exploit it (though only long enough to make a clear description of the bug), then write a clear and concise report on Right Now, about where the Bug is located, how to exploit it, and you won't be banned, but you will be warned not to abuse it again (which seems rather silly considering that you're reporting it as a bug).. I have done that for a few such exploits (and some LoS exploits in RvR).

A little while later (maybe a patch or so) it will be fixed, espc. if it's a serious bug. If it is not fixed (or no official mention), and people are still exploiting it, then per definition it's sanctioned by Mythic and GOA, as they've now had a chance to do something about the exploit, and to tell people not to do it.

This way no one get's banned (unless they get caught by the investigating devs), and the exploit will go away (or be sanctioned).. Though Even if the exploit is 'Sanctioned' be aware that Mythic and GOA has the 'right' to turn around and ban you, even if it's a known exploit, that has been used for the last decade (parts of the Terms and Conditions).

Remember Bug == working as intended == bannable offense - just depends on the time of day, and which side of the bed the CSR got out of that morning.

regards
shadowen.

 

[Raven]

mobs cant lag jump, thats why they cant get up there....