Cheating Debate

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old.Da_TOAST

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It's a fact: this great game has unfortunately been spoiled by cheaters. Non profit organisations (basically fags in their basements with no life) devote their lives to ruining this game (people such as g0t), in my opinion the best game in the world, who make ogc and similar hacks. No matter what form of cheat detection which is created, whether it be the classic PB, DC, or admin hard drive scanners, usually a week within its release a new cheat is then created to bypass it and there isnt a damn thing any of us legit players can do about it. It has gotten to the point where usually each good server has a couple blatent cheaters in it (cheaters that are obviously cheating). Admins of these servers are stuck having to download new software literally every day to keep these bastards out and to bring cs back to the players. I dont think it should be the server hosts responsibility to keep out these lowlifes but won.net's responsibility. I believe won.net, being the huge corporation it is, should take the liberty of creating highly sophisticated cheat detection software and suspending any persons caught cheating on their service from playing for a period of time. It is about time cs is brought back to the players!


How I detect cheaters:

From my experience and studies and a little common sense, i can usually tell if a player is cheating the first time they kill me. This is what i take into consideration before classifying a player (and no im not one of those suckers that calls everybody who kills me a cheater)

1) Getting killed immediately (literally the exact milisecond) u come into the enemy's view. Humans arent perfect and 100 percent precise. Even if they know an enemy is heading a certain way, nobody's reaction time is quick enough to hit them when they come into view that quickly, and plus, they arent that accurate either. This type of cheat is supplied with the ogc hack (autoshoot) and drives me crazy when someone uses it.

2) Getting shot dead center in the chest. If you get shot dead center in the chest with any rifle, you usually fly back, especially when you are jumping. if you find that a player keeps killing you in this manner, they are probably using an aimbot aimed towards the chest.

3) Headshots. The ogc hack (the most used aimbot by cheating bitches) aims for the upper center of the head, halfway between the forehead and the very top of the head. This is the WEAKEST area of the head to shoot at ( a mistake on the creator's part not having the bot aim lower). When you get shot in this area, even with a high powered weapon such as a colt or aug, u can usually survive 1 shot, or 2 if you're lucky or 3 or four shots if its a smg (if u are wearing a helmet, of course). So if you notice a player getting alot of headshot kills on you and notice that on several occasions before killing you you get hit in the head, he is probably using this hack and cheating.

4) Wallhacking. Very obvious to determine if somebody is wall hacking. If you walk near a wall and get shot thru it when the enemy could have no idea of ur exact location, then theyre obviously using it, simple as that.

Id like to hear any other player's opinions.
Hope i could increase some players knowledge of the game.
 
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old.D0LLySh33p

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I believe that Canadians must be very bored.
 
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S-Gray

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Yeah lol.. this is just the same as *Cheating threads* that i've come across... and they've all pretty much been closed because of all the arguments they cause... i'll bet this thread is closed within a week :p
 
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old.[SMEG]Holly

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well maybe it will be closed down but let people have there say . We're all look for a cure for this cancer man >>_<< people on public server don't worry me there just llame But when clans use them then that seems very wrong to me. Maybe some clans have cheats made for them never released to to public and therefore nobody knows there using it or how to detect it. I'm not saying any clans do but some clans do seem super human.
 
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old.D0LLySh33p

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I use cheats...

They're called eyes and ears.

Sometimes I'll also kiss my monitor for luck... and if get a REAL good score then I molest my keyboard and mouse ;)
 
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lovedaddy

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Tell you what, Ch3tan is the business... Had a cheat on the server the other day. Dropped to irc, in 2 mins the guy was history. Bosh, jobs a good un.
 
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Ch3tan

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Originally posted by Da_TOAST
I dont think it should be the server hosts responsibility to keep out these lowlifes but won.net's responsibility. I believe won.net, being the huge corporation it is, should take the liberty of creating highly sophisticated cheat detection software and suspending any persons caught cheating on their service from playing for a period of time. It is about time cs is brought back to the players!

won are fairly non existent these days, they were effectively shut down with their offices closed and most of their staff fired. The only thing left is the auth servers whcih are now run by sierra. Won is nothing but an authentification system, they have no responsibility to do any of the things you stated. Valve/Sierra however are a different animal, it is their responsibility and they are doing something about it -The first stage of the anti-cheat and the steam delivery system will be included with cs1.4.
 
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old.D0LLySh33p

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Awwww Ch3ts make me an admin plsplspls... I'll have your babies ;) ;) ;)
 
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Skyler

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Your descriptions and ideas for catching arent exactly correct, and I'm not going to correct them, because then cheaty buggers will realise even better how to hide their cheating....
 
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Stazbumpa

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I use a power to the people approach, similar to one that Emb mentioned a while ago.


If a guy is cheating and everyone knows it, I just switch to whatever team he is on and really fuck his day up. A friendly knife in the back of the head does wonders for their aim and also blocking them in tight corners pisses them off immensely.

And all the time I'm giving them shit on the mic or via the chat key.
 
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old.Da_TOAST

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Originally posted by stazbumpa
I use a power to the people approach, similar to one that Emb mentioned a while ago.


If a guy is cheating and everyone knows it, I just switch to whatever team he is on and really fuck his day up. A friendly knife in the back of the head does wonders for their aim and also blocking them in tight corners pisses them off immensely.

And all the time I'm giving them shit on the mic or via the chat key.

I like your style, man. I do the same thing if the guy is cheating really bad, and is a good cheater. Not ot mention vote kicking them (if applicable) every 5 seconds. But still, i dont think the small percentage of people should be allowed to play on the net because they just ruin it for the rest. I think the valve and company should find a way to crack down on these bastards and remove their cdkey from the valve database so that they can NEVER play again (or just suspend them for a month or so)
 
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old.Da_TOAST

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Originally posted by Da_TOAST


I like your style, man. I do the same thing if the guy is cheating really bad, and is a good cheater. Not ot mention vote kicking them (if applicable) every 5 seconds. But still, i dont think the small percentage of people should be allowed to play on the net because they just ruin it for the rest. I think the valve and company should find a way to crack down on these bastards and remove their cdkey from the valve database so that they can NEVER play again (or just suspend them for a month or so)

i think they should do this in v1.4 and before anybody installs it, there should be a notice about the new rules. If anybody is caught cheating their ability to play is suspended!
 
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old.D0LLySh33p

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Dumdedums... move along people... nothing to see here.
 
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old.Psy2k

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I agree with it all, but it would take me about 4 kills to determine, as any of those can come from luck..
 
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Ch3tan

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Originally posted by Psy2k
I agree with it all, but it would take me about 4 kills to determine, as any of those can come from luck..

4 kills? You'd be banning half the players on BW.
 
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old.D0LLySh33p

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Not me though... I only kill 3 ppl then leave the server with a warm fuzzy feeling of insecurity.
 
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Abysmal

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Ever seen sumone REALLY cheat?

hehehe, I can assure you, this isn't staged or anything, but its the funniest CS demo i've ever seen.

Download it here!
 
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S-Gray

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Do i by chance already have this? lol

anyway its feckin 3 in the mornin im scootin soon heh
 
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isuck

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Originally posted by stazbumpa
I use a power to the people approach, similar to one that Emb mentioned a while ago.


If a guy is cheating and everyone knows it, I just switch to whatever team he is on and really fuck his day up. A friendly knife in the back of the head does wonders for their aim and also blocking them in tight corners pisses them off immensely.

And all the time I'm giving them shit on the mic or via the chat key.

just by the by, knifing someone with an aimbot does little to spoil the bots aim. and blocking them will just get you killed first then they are free to aimbot whoevers left. cheaters that are blatent do it to piss people off, cheats that try to hide it obviously tried to play the game first and realised that they're shit.
 
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old.D0LLySh33p

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Good bot can compensate for such things... not that I know :)
 
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Tom

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Your average cheater, and what they can go do with themselves:

disgusting link, you may not want to click on it
http://badgoo.com/butthead.jpg

The best thing to do is to try and get an admin on IRC, otherwise demo and wonid.
 

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