Champions and 1.52

[gestaltwhorl]

How much do people think the champ has improved now since we got the increase in debuffs and the self buff (cool animation).

Personally I think we've turned from a gimped/mediocre class to the absolute dogs family jewels. This maybe partly because I've respecced to LW and can gain a certain amount of smug self congratulatory smugness at hitting a mage for 500+ damage as opposed to the 100+ I was getting with my s/s champ.

Will people be using debuffs more in RvR?

I experimented on orange pookas - fully debuffed and only my self buff, I took them down fast and only lost about 10% of my hps.

Awaiting the nerf now....

 

[Mardukk]

Shhhhhhh....

 

[old.Laryssa]

respecced my Champ to LW - need a bit to get familiar with it but rox so far

 

[Elric IA]

Having always been LW specced the main difference I see are the self buff and the increased debuffs.

Duelling on Gorre I only seemed to lose to assasin types occasionally and a scout who got the slam in. A pally killed me after he used 2 insta heals (one IP the other some group based heal (?)) so he took 1468 hp of me and i must have took 3-4000 off him.

I always use the str/con debuff and snare in RvR as they are on my quickbar and with the frantic action I rarely switch. A 1v1 solo encounter though where it is a bit less frantic (but no less exciting) I usually do the full set (especially nice against 2h weapon users as the attack speed decrease means i get 2 attacks in per their one even with my LW!). Especially nice if you get the Celtic Rage 'target parries' style in two big hits in a row.

Certainly the debuffs (when not resisted) make a big difference.

The self buff is, in effect, a 'yellow buff (yellow pre 1.52 some funny green colour i havent got used to yet in 1.52). Best i was buffed pre-patch was 304 str by Ola and generally it seemed to be about 288. Now, a standard naturalist 'blue' buff and the self buff (which can stack with blues) takes me to 307 strength so quite an increase.

I love patch 1.52

 

[llixeraxu]

I found on gorre i was blocked and parryed alot! While no problems at all with 2 handed weilders. Sheild users seemed to hit me for nothing, but stopped me from hitting them.

Maybe this is because they all were rr 5 + and me a lowley brehorn.

 

[Cloak_]

Just *Blue* and *self* my champ had 319 Str and 1768hp.

Not tested on RvR field yet coz having too much fun with iccle Cloak

 

[lofff]

champ survival and killage needed sum skillz before (tanking with a caster hps wasnt easy) Now its just another bag of hps

Am only +120 from items (missing 80hps to cap), only toughnessI and augconI, and am 1610hps selfbuffed, with toughnessII, augconII and capping hps u can easily go tru the 1800 barrier. (SELF)

 

[Elric IA]

Originally posted by llixeraxu
I found on gorre i was blocked and parryed alot! While no problems at all with 2 handed weilders. Sheild users seemed to hit me for nothing, but stopped me from hitting them.

Maybe this is because they all were rr 5 + and me a lowley brehorn.

For Block use Shatter and for parry use Ultimate recobery

I notice the game gives you a little more time to get these react styles in (i.e., the opponent can hit youagain and they connect).

Tested it on gorre and got the ultimate recovery plus devastate combo in poor paladin!

 

[Elric IA]

Originally posted by lofff
champ survival and killage needed sum skillz before (tanking with a caster hps wasnt easy) Now its just another bag of hps

Am only +120 from items (missing 80hps to cap), only toughnessI and augconI, and am 1610hps selfbuffed, with toughnessII, augconII and capping hps u can easily go tru the 1800 barrier. (SELF)

Having been in RvR last night with your bard alt Lofff, your bard survival skills are very good as well. How did you get away from those 3 groups of albs at the tower?

P.S. I went LD so returned at ligen after that

 

[Tyka]

I remember in early days when i told Lofff that champs will be gimped loooool

LOOK AT YOU NOW!

 

[JoxerTheMighty]

Heck, I even remember the times when somebody told me that Elves and LW's are the worst choice you can make....looks like the books have to be rewritten

 

[lofff]

Originally posted by Celtic Dreams


Having been in RvR last night with your bard alt Lofff, your bard survival skills are very good as well. How did you get away from those 3 groups of albs at the tower?

P.S. I went LD so returned at ligen after that

speed4+sprint straight on the highest hill u can find works many ppl lags while "climbing-hills". (zana is the mastah hill-lagger)

Anyway that was my lil bard nite, few secs after i got back and ressed inada and delura while a fg albs was still on dels body, and bit later mezzed like 15albs in 1 cast at amg DD (problem is they were like 20+, so we died, released and bed)

Cant wait for my instamezzes (still got no1 )

 

[lofff]

Originally posted by Tyka
I remember in early days when i told Lofff that champs will be gimped loooool

LOOK AT YOU NOW!

oh yes, i remember such a thread champVShero on the old goa forums too ^^ think we never agreed (but u ended selling ur hero )

Originally posted by Joxer
Heck, I even remember the times when somebody told me that Elves and LW's are the worst choice you can make....looks like the books have to be rewritten

Yeh hehe, elf-champs are now viable since they wont b str-less anymore but still... celt will get more hps, luri will get tiny-model-size advantage. 10 extra int points aint worth for champs. imho elves are still the might.

just to add a point my champ kicked about everything so far on gorre duels ^^ armsmen, zerkers... not the most feared dueler could beat me celt > all

 

[sharon_corr]

I played my champ in the BG, half before the patch, and half after it. Being LW specced already, I only specced out of a bit of parry and increased my Valour from 20 to 23.

What can I say... the DD rocks, provided they dont have heat resists and the debuffs are absolutely superb! Snare comes in handy too, especially for that sneaky, sprinty infil who thinks he's going safe, but hey... what's he doing searching in the dirt? Oops, me shillelagh got him? <giggle>

Not to mention that you can actually feel the extra str and con over you. Provided you have a druid handy... you almost feel godly... except when that pike hits yer head <ouch>.

All in one... champs are now very very competitive... at least in BG.

//Uli

 

[Gorguss]

It's a good patch for us and I think Champions are more into how they were supposed to work.

They are one of the best when it comes to 1vs1 fights.

I just can't help but feel sorry for those poor buggers that has made Warriors in midgard , they have NOTHING .

 

[ilaya]

Hehe, think it just gives you all a chance to be as uber as us luri champs

- Ilaya Dasquirrelslayer 50 Luri-champ
Boowen Dassa 26 Mentalist
Gemyni 20 NS
Poppy Power 17 Warden

Eeeeek!

 

[Freddy4Fingers]

Why did i delete my level 18 champ? ahh well... the enchanter is still fun =)

 

[Novamir]

Originally posted by llixeraxu
brehorn.

lol *imagines horn*