CE policy on PvP and Recruitment

[Cerverloc]

You have my firm commitment Killgorde. Looking forward to be part of CE PVP. I have been bored for some time now. Even thought of quiting entirely but something keeps me hooked. Dunno exactly what it is. The pvp? The 1.53 patch releasenotes? Anyway I think PvP is a very nice refreshment from that everboring zerging in emain.

 

[Killgorde]

In answer to Mad: In the current state of affairs on Excalibur, how often is this likely to happen? (Relic raids etc)...

Like Cerverloc, I have been kinda bored for some time. Not with the peeps around me, but with the RvR keep, relic ping-pong and zerg format. Can anyone tell me where this will end? Or when? And what the end result will be? And what have I left to achieve? Or prove to myself or others? Maybe had I a personal quest for RP this current apathy I am feeling wouldn't exist, but I gleen far less satisfaction from self-glorification than the buzz a team gets from lifting a relic against the odds, and the knowledge that others are enjoying the experience as much as myself. And thats where the PvP server comes into it's own as a refreshing change to myself and others who think the same. The opportunities for pitting your wits and your crew's abilities against others <coughs> who don't agree with your policies are far more varied and ultimately more significant in their impact.

Unlike most peeps I am very optimistic about the format for a few reasons. The frustrations I experience at the moment with respect to inter-guild communication/co-ordination with respect to realm defence etc (and I am sure Albs and Hibs have the same issues) are effectively done away with by virtue of the fact that your guild IS your realm on PvP (that's not to say that the current MGC alliance and the guilds in it haven't done a damn fine job in the past few weeks we have been together). But you are far more in control of your destiny on the PvP server and less reliant on other guilds in defence of your interests.

There are two distinct kinds of peeps that play DaoC: Those who's quest for achievement is based on a wish to show that they as an individual are better than everyone else on the XML tables in the RP rankings are in one camp. They can pursue this on any server. The others are those that love a team atmosphere and like to achieve and experience things together (normally the more mature amongst the community) without paying too much consideration to how "uber" they are as an individual. The opportunity for the latter to express themselves is an aspect of the PvP format everyone seems to have forgotton due to the focus on PK and the ability to gank anyone from any realm who seriously pisses you off (although that does kinda appeal to me).

Everyone says PvP will attract the 1337 kiddielamers (and there are those of you who may put me in that category ) away from Excal to the benefit of this server. I sincerely hope so for the benefit of peeps from all realms here so this server can mature.

 

[-fonS-]

hmmm

what about those ppl who like to group and have teamplay to earn RP for their guild (and therefor allso for themself)? they r not only trying to get themnself to look good but allso their guild ... and trying to make ur guild look good, isent that the best form for teamplay in daoc ? or have i totally misunderstood something (i usually have etc)

 

[Sharp Thing]

id love to join a strong guild on a pvp server and conquer al the relics

would be just awesome

 

[Killgorde]

Re: hmmm

Originally posted by -fonS-
what about those ppl who like to group and have teamplay to earn RP for their guild (and therefor allso for themself)? they r not only trying to get themnself to look good but allso their guild ... and trying to make ur guild look good, isent that the best form for teamplay in daoc ? or have i totally misunderstood something (i usually have etc)

CE was founded on the principle that the interests of others (meaning the realm) is put before self interest. If you guild has the same attitude Fons then /Salute. With PvP the guild effectively becomes the "Realm."

 

[old.[BF]MaD]

Well killgorde

like u said , u certainly have a positive view on things overthere and i hope u prove me wrong.

As for myself , i dont have the time(college soon) / commitment to start a new char from scratch and lvl it all day :/

might give pvp a whirl - but if i cant play it several hours a day and be upthere with the semi-highlvlers i ll soon stop pvp i m afraid :/
Tho i do have alot of friends that would help me lvl , but if u dont put the time in it ur just another lowbie target for the 24/7 pvp players

 

[old.Galieran]

Very nice Initiative Killgorde.

I for one am looking forward to becoming an adventurer in a new game again and grouping with Trolls n´Elves.
Its gonna be fun, if we can just keep a good tone and a nice atmospere. It´s gonna be so refreshing that we wont have time to lvl our characters.

 

[Tranquil-]

Originally posted by Killgorde

Everyone says PvP will attract the 1337 kiddielamers (and there are those of you who may put me in that category ) away from Excal to the benefit of this server. I sincerely hope so for the benefit of peeps from all realms here so this server can mature.

You'll be back from PvP in a month or two, unless you quit the game, I can smell it .)

 

[Killgorde]

Originally posted by Tranquil-


You'll be back from PvP in a month or two, unless you quit the game, I can smell it .)

Do I ever fail to achieve what I set out to achieve? I respectfully suggest you get some smelling salts.

 

[Cuthervaen]

Killgorde

Killgorde I'll hope we'll have the occasion to fight side by side for a change on PvP.

Actually quite many people have been so good adversaries I'm looking forward to have them as allies for a change (and if I can dare to say, for some it's the other way round muhahah)

I'm not aware yet of what will CF do over there though, and it's where my allegience currently goes.

 

[Tranquil-]

Originally posted by Killgorde


Do I ever fail to achieve what I set out to achieve? I respectfully suggest you get some smelling salts.

I was thinking more of the time AFTER you've achieved to make a successfull guild and have grown tired of PvP. Then you might have grown enough white hairs to get back to the real thing, not that playground

 

[Killgorde]

Originally posted by Tranquil-


I was thinking more of the time AFTER you've achieved to make a successfull guild and have grown tired of PvP. Then you might have grown enough white hairs to get back to the real thing, not that playground

What do you define as "the real thing" ???

a) Joining the Emain zerg? The majority of peeps on Excalibur enjoy Emain zerging. We in CE have tried to educated the masses that there is more to this game than tramping through Hip Frontiers to gank with large numbers or be ganked by even higher numbers. Tbh its like throwing pearls before swine with a lot of peeps. Nothing is gonna change that.

b) Relic raiding at prime time? Been there done that. Havent defended many at prime time but there's always hope

c) Role playing? - not really our cup of tea but good for those who enjoy it.

d) Killing uber mobs? The Dragon? Leave him alone I say, after looking at all the acrimony the drops caused for peeps in Albion when they downed him.

e) Realm domination? See a) and b) above

And can you honestly tell me that 3 or 6 months from now things will be different? Pull the other one, it's got bells on.

This format is becoming rapidly tedious and my peeps need a challenge. As Sharp said above, conquering and holding all six relics as a guild of committed team players appeals to our shared search for something ultimately achievable but requiring effort, skill, and teamwork getting there. (That may or may not be one of CE's long term objectives on PvP but there are other more interesting ones ) I do not have the stamina to level another char on a server I see as without direction and with very little in the future to change that. Maybe when the server "matures" and the zerg is diluted we may play a significant part again. Perhaps you could look in your crystal ball and tell me when that is likely to happen, though, because mine remains shrouded in mist.

Yes, I agree, the PvP server will attract all those "LookhowuberIamkiddielamerfukkwit" types and I sincerely hope for the sake of Excal it does. But it's profile also has the potential for serious gaming if peeps look beyond this. I cut my teeth on a PvP game (without resorting to PK tactics) and it was a blast until the devs ran out of initiative and funds to take it to the next level. This game has far greater potential than that one did, and the PvP format gives it the necessary flexibility lacking on the RvR servers if you look beyond the PK aspect.

 

[silent1]

pfft

"We in CE have tried to educated the masses that there is more to this game than tramping through Hip Frontiers to gank with large numbers or be ganked by even higher numbers. Tbh its like throwing pearls before swine with a lot of peeps."

and who the hell are you to have this "I know best, this is how the game should be played" attitude? If it comes down to freedom of speech then you must also recognise free will and the right for people to play as they seem fit. I don't really think you are really so wonderful as to have the right to sit and judge over the rest of us.


"Relic raiding at prime time? Been there done that. Havent defended many at prime time but there's always hope"

Relic's where taken before Mgc was formed...sure it was a great achievement and very well executed...I myself took part in it..but once again as happens so very often...after the initial "well done all involved posts" CE and Blizzard act like they alone did this.

"Do I ever fail to achieve what I set out to achieve?"

Do you ever let go of your ego for a moment and consider the word "we" instead of "I"...that's exactly how you work mate...it's all WE this and that until the objective is achieved and then it all suddenly reverts back to I and CE.

Your lack of control on /as is a joke, your attitude is arrogant and egotistical apart from the odd time when you want to play the gracious diplomat...apart from the odd repetative keep take I doubt you could do very much with just Ce and Blizzard..but which guilds in the "alliance" get acknowledgement over and over with an attitude that they do the majority of the donkey work in Mgc...frankly I will be glad to see you leave.

Flame away..I really don't give a toss.

 

[Killgorde]

Err silent1? Posting under a pseudonym? Might help if we knew your motives. I kinda despise peeps who post a flame behind a faceless mask because they haven't the courage to back up what they say with their presence - but it takes all kinds, I suppose.

I don't even pretend to understand what the MGC has to do with a discussion about a PvP Server and advanced planning for it (even though many peeps not in CE but in the alliance have expressed an interest in joining) but I'll take time out to respond to you in the interests of fairness. Sorry to disappoint you,though, but I would never flame anyone who does't exist - especially the kind who takes the time and effort to set up a forum account under an assumed name just to have a pop at me - its like pissing into the wind, m8

The majority of peeps like to zerg. I don't claim to "know best" but, judging by the umpteen threads on the RvR forum about peeps questioning and complaining about zergs I don't think I am alone in feeling that zerging is the dominant form of RvR on this server. If the zerg is what turns you on...feel free to do it. I don't sit in judgement over you about it. But by your post you are admitting that zerging is what does it for you.

I don't read anywhere that it was CE and Blizzard claiming responsibility for the relic. Or in realm defence. Ruathian and Shagrat are two peeps who spend their entire gametime in Midgard frontier as do countless others from all guilds in the alliance. Any critisism levelled at others for being less than enthusiast relates to individuals from all guilds, not guilds themselves. You will note that any MGC statements with regards to whatever is achieved make no mention of any particular guilds and that is as it should be, as everyone plays their part.

As far as /as use is concerned, it is very rare for me personally to use that channel unless it's during active operations, like "zips in the wire" situations and information about it is sought or co-ordination is needed.

Tthe "ego" bit? I don't see any "egotism" involved in responding to someone who was referring to me in the singular rather than CE in the plural as to what I want to achieve in the the game. And as stated elsewhere, the MGC Alliance was not "my" initiative, but that of others who twisted my arm into getting it organised against the wishes of those in my own guild (and to a great degree myself due to my certain knowledge of the 10-20 pm's an hour that would ensue detracting from quality game time with my fellas - as has subsequently happened).

Hope your points have been responded to candidly and sufficiently. Just do us all a favour and flame me on your own thread so this one stays on-topic.

/Salutes

 

[old.LandShark]

I wish people who didn't give a toss, would just not post instead of telling us in exhaustive detail that they DO give a toss, and then denying it....
Hm, that came out a bit garbled =)

 

[Oloren]

Flame away..I really don't give a toss

Ofcourse you dont give a toss, you dont post under your ingame name...

 

[Tranquil-]

Originally posted by Killgorde


What do you define as "the real thing" ???

a) Joining the Emain zerg? The majority of peeps on Excalibur enjoy Emain zerging. We in CE have tried to educated the masses that there is more to this game than tramping through Hip Frontiers to gank with large numbers or be ganked by even higher numbers. Tbh its like throwing pearls before swine with a lot of peeps. Nothing is gonna change that.

b) Relic raiding at prime time? Been there done that. Havent defended many at prime time but there's always hope

c) Role playing? - not really our cup of tea but good for those who enjoy it.

d) Killing uber mobs? The Dragon? Leave him alone I say, after looking at all the acrimony the drops caused for peeps in Albion when they downed him.

e) Realm domination? See a) and b) above

And can you honestly tell me that 3 or 6 months from now things will be different? Pull the other one, it's got bells on.

This format is becoming rapidly tedious and my peeps need a challenge. As Sharp said above, conquering and holding all six relics as a guild of committed team players appeals to our shared search for something ultimately achievable but requiring effort, skill, and teamwork getting there. (That may or may not be one of CE's long term objectives on PvP but there are other more interesting ones ) I do not have the stamina to level another char on a server I see as without direction and with very little in the future to change that. Maybe when the server "matures" and the zerg is diluted we may play a significant part again. Perhaps you could look in your crystal ball and tell me when that is likely to happen, though, because mine remains shrouded in mist.

Yes, I agree, the PvP server will attract all those "LookhowuberIamkiddielamerfukkwit" types and I sincerely hope for the sake of Excal it does. But it's profile also has the potential for serious gaming if peeps look beyond this. I cut my teeth on a PvP game (without resorting to PK tactics) and it was a blast until the devs ran out of initiative and funds to take it to the next level. This game has far greater potential than that one did, and the PvP format gives it the necessary flexibility lacking on the RvR servers if you look beyond the PK aspect.

Erhm, I'm not saying that it won't be fun, it was in some way meant to be light banter, but never mind, you're probably on defensive mode when reading posts on BW. Not that I blame you

 

[silent1]

Originally posted by Killgorde
Err silent1? Posting under a pseudonym? Might help if we knew your motives. I kinda despise peeps who post a flame behind a faceless mask because they haven't the courage to back up what they say with their presence - but it takes all kinds, I suppose.

Motives? plain and simple to say my two cents worth.

Despise away I won't lose sleep over it.
What my ingame name is matters not and only leads to more flames which get lamer as they go on.

I don't think my opinion is any less valid for using a pseudonym, it just saves any bullshit flames or sends ingame.

It was meant as constructive criticism but hell if you want to call it a flame thats fine.

I've said about all I wanted to...I'll leave you to it and let the thread get back on- topic...sorry for disrupting it, I should have started a new one.

 

[Killgorde]

Originally posted by Tranquil-


Erhm, I'm not saying that it won't be fun, it was in some way meant to be light banter, but never mind, you're probably on defensive mode when reading posts on BW. Not that I blame you

Moi? Defensive? Got me wrong there m8

The pen is far mightier than the sword and in a lot of ways more pleasurable to wield...if it's in the right hand. And I did take what you said in jest


On a more serious note, apologies to those who haven't yet received an email. To date over 100 peeps have expressed an interest in what I am proposing and it's taking some time to respond to your doubts/wishes/hopes etc. I do promise to get back to you soonest. Oddly a lot of highly respectable Albs, so my reputation can't be completely crap on the other side of the wire

One thing I would urge, having seen and evaluated the mix of chars peeps are considering, is that anyone who is enthusiastic about playing a support class (Healers etc) but is concerned that they will be victimised in PvP - get in touch with me. All I can promise you is that within the guild you will be adored by your peers, and given a level of protection afforded to royalty (as with the healers and shammies currently in CE on Excal - err..shaddup Ebe ). This is the single most important class in any format of DaoC - maybe more so in PvP than RvR in a team environment and I for one cannot praise too highly the balls <coughs> it takes to adopt a char in this role. You will always have the undying respect of myself and the others in the guild should you take this course.

 

[Nightchill]

Like many, I've entered into a state of ennuye regarding RvR/levelling. After reading the CE policy/manifesto for PvP I'm once again geared up for DaoC.

It's just a question of what to do in the meantime...

 

[daphatfriar]

Hmmm...

All very well to talk on this forum about what we all like to do in the PvP server etc but alot of the posts above seem to forget that as there is (afik) only one PvP server and the UK server peeps are (if server populations stay constant) going to be 25% of the total if we are lucky we ain't gonna acheive jack cos by and large cos the German and French guilds (again if the same conditions prevail) will be inherently stronger than the English server guilds who have spent the last 6 months abusing each other anyway.

I strongly (I hope wrongly) suspect that most the UK server players already have a hitlist of people to kill (not me of I love everyone *cough*) from with inside their own and other realms and will prolly spend the 1st 6 weeks on a grudge match mission.

Interesting to see the way things pan out...

 

[Killgorde]

25% is optimistic - at peek EU server stats give Excal and Pry about 17% by my reckoning. Which makes it a challenge. I did however check out the German and French server guild stats and none of them are any larger than the larger Excal ones (100-150 peeps)....and reading into that i would assume there will be a lot of guilds migrating in their own right. It will be fascinating to see how things pan out.

Dunno about any hit-lists...CE members from all realms are asked to leave any "baggage" behind when they join. Judging from the quality and overall maturity of the peeps that have so far applied, I don't see this as being an issue - at least for us.