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bf_kate
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Radius to mean would be 300 in each direction around me, but it doesn't matter as it's still shite.
Radius to mean would be 300 in each direction around me, but it doesn't matter as it's still shite.
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Alb = ae root
Hib = ae mezz
Mid = ae mezz and ae stun
So many more theurgists than sorcie's that atm alb always seems to use ae root as cc. Next patch brings respec so a few theurg will go air, but gimped range and duration, will it be a good thing? :/ It also brings ae root to wizards and nerfs cleric mezz and a gimped ae mezz for minstrel.
So in conclusion alb has a gimped pbae insta mezz, a gimped 1250 range ae mezz, a gimped 1500 range 5 sec cast time ae mezz, and one decent 60+ sec mezz from sorc.
Also has 2 classes with ae root.
To me it seems that even if a sorc does land a ae mezz its gonna be broken by ae root or resisted becuase some theurg or minstrel has already cast their gimp 25-30 sec mezz.
Hib = ae mezz
Mid = ae mezz and ae stun
So many more theurgists than sorcie's that atm alb always seems to use ae root as cc. Next patch brings respec so a few theurg will go air, but gimped range and duration, will it be a good thing? :/ It also brings ae root to wizards and nerfs cleric mezz and a gimped ae mezz for minstrel.
So in conclusion alb has a gimped pbae insta mezz, a gimped 1250 range ae mezz, a gimped 1500 range 5 sec cast time ae mezz, and one decent 60+ sec mezz from sorc.
Also has 2 classes with ae root.
To me it seems that even if a sorc does land a ae mezz its gonna be broken by ae root or resisted becuase some theurg or minstrel has already cast their gimp 25-30 sec mezz.
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old.Nol
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Still irritating though. People using buffbots always have an excuse : it's buffs are tiny, it's smite specced, it isn't a real cleric, my mate who went to the states for 3 years left me his prepaid for 17 months lvl 50 nurture specced druid...no really, I decided to try a healer, I just leave it in the corner of the tk to show my mates...
No problem, play with your buffbot...just remember, everytime you bitch and moan, you are being a hypocrite. People choose classes because of their self buff abilities, like the ranger and friar. Now we have zerkers, scouts and shades with self buffing abilities...
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Oops tired, plenty of mistakes in that post
Just ignore me.
Just ignore me.
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As Xanatea pointed out in mirc the other day even a lvl 9 buff bot makes a difference (this is dr00d buffbot):
Base Buffs:
7 Strength of the Redwood +15 STR 3 sec. 3C Ally
9 Major Bark Skin +19 AF 3 sec. 3C Ally
8 Dexterity of the Ferret +16 DEX 3 sec. 3C Ally
5 Oak's Stoutness +14 CON 3 sec. 2C Ally
Spec Buffs:
2 Hunter's Attack +8% 3.5 sec. 1C Ally
9 Strength of the Thicket +25 S/C 3 sec. 6C Ally
7 Breeze's Dance +22 D/Q 3 sec. 5C Ally
Total:
40 str, 38 dex, 39 con, 22 qui, 19 af, 8% attack speed.
better than a kick in the teeth
lvl 50 buffbot is a lot better though, 75 dex/qui and 48 dex base buff :/
Base Buffs:
7 Strength of the Redwood +15 STR 3 sec. 3C Ally
9 Major Bark Skin +19 AF 3 sec. 3C Ally
8 Dexterity of the Ferret +16 DEX 3 sec. 3C Ally
5 Oak's Stoutness +14 CON 3 sec. 2C Ally
Spec Buffs:
2 Hunter's Attack +8% 3.5 sec. 1C Ally
9 Strength of the Thicket +25 S/C 3 sec. 6C Ally
7 Breeze's Dance +22 D/Q 3 sec. 5C Ally
Total:
40 str, 38 dex, 39 con, 22 qui, 19 af, 8% attack speed.
better than a kick in the teeth
lvl 50 buffbot is a lot better though, 75 dex/qui and 48 dex base buff :/
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Eleasias
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You must be the biggest moaner in the history of BW, in the US when they were playing 1.XX (before insta mez) people were saying how gimp Hib is etc, and after that they got insta mez, THEN ppl started moaning hib is overpowered, so PLEASE go moan on US boards instead since we dont even have it yet, you're already crying we're overpowered (jumped on the bandwagon one patch too early)Originally posted by K0nah
Those color codes are for all servers world-wide. Stop talking shit. Please. The whole world knows Hib is overpowered, its about time Mythic did something about it. Can't blame u for trying to cover it up tho, hey who doesn't want to be "uber" ?
Im not saying insta mez isnt overpowered, because it is, but we dont have it so stfu please, the realms are quite even as they are now. Our CC has been same or very close to it since Excalibur started up and back then hib was the crappy realm and we havent gotten a boost since then, and now we're overpowered? Getting owned in Emain too much?
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Eleasias
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Oh and just adding, the numbers were a LOT different in this patch on the US servers, albs were winning and hibs were getting quite owned and started to get better after we got the new patch, not BEFORE. It's odd how Excal Hibs are doing so well compared to what the US Hibs did back in the day before insta mez.
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No CC boost, but hib as a realm has had plenty of boosting since 1.36. Add in RAs for more effect. Hib was gimped, around 1.49 it was just right... 1.5x takes it too far.Originally posted by old.Eleasias
Our CC has been same or very close to it since Excalibur started up and back then hib was the crappy realm and we havent gotten a boost since then, and now we're overpowered?
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old.Odysseus
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Konah's links show quite unambigously how the state of the balance between realms are with current patches on US (I assume that the Seer only uses US statistics).
Seems to me that the hits with the nerfbat and the enhancebat may have been done without enough data gathered.
I mean; why give bards better mezz when hib so clearly are already overpowered in that respect (compared to the other 2 realms). Just an example, there are probably loads more.
not that I care much... I respecced to IP and am trying it out for a while before I leave.
Seems to me that the hits with the nerfbat and the enhancebat may have been done without enough data gathered.
I mean; why give bards better mezz when hib so clearly are already overpowered in that respect (compared to the other 2 realms). Just an example, there are probably loads more.
not that I care much... I respecced to IP and am trying it out for a while before I leave.
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old.Nol
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Dannyn
What did bards get between 1.49 and 1.5x that has made them so uber? RA wise, what do we have to compare against SoS for example? We have a pretty standard RA spec, nothing super special. Just curious to find out what the problem is?
What did bards get between 1.49 and 1.5x that has made them so uber? RA wise, what do we have to compare against SoS for example? We have a pretty standard RA spec, nothing super special. Just curious to find out what the problem is?
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old.Nol
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There is no ways in hell that bards have the best CC in 1.51...we are easily outgunned by midgard's healer. Sure Albion has the shortest end of the CC stick, but you also had a time in your history when your own players were calling for a Smite nerf.
I hope that is not your reason for leaving, because it is a sad excuse mate.
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Don't think Danny (hi danny :wub: ) said anything about bard RAs. But as far as unfair RAs three words for you: Group Purge Bleh!
SoS isn't that great and I know several minstrels who have respecced to get rid of it.
I don't even know what the bard RAs are, but can't be worse than the broken Cleric ones
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old.Iriba
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CC is useless
With the introduction of realm ability called purge most CC spells have become partly obsolete in high level RvR (In battlegrounds CC still works :-p) and instead of trying to implement at least some form of tactic during fierce battles it now all comes down to who can make most damage fastest.
FYI Purge is a insta "spell" on 30 min timer which removes all negative effects from your character.
Some might say that 30 min timer is ridiculous, but actually it only means that if you are succesfull in defeating enemy in first battle and you have needed to use purge you might have to fight next 2 battles without it. If the enemy or you needs to port or run back purge will be again ready to be used in your next battle.
Before CC was the defining ability how battles were won so this is a direct nerf against it.
In some occasions CC will propably work and the classes whose defining ability in RvR is CC need these short moments of triumph to make themselves needed out there. Now also tanks can feel better when they can use purge after they get mezzed and go whack that caster down.
With the introduction of realm ability called purge most CC spells have become partly obsolete in high level RvR (In battlegrounds CC still works :-p) and instead of trying to implement at least some form of tactic during fierce battles it now all comes down to who can make most damage fastest.
FYI Purge is a insta "spell" on 30 min timer which removes all negative effects from your character.
Some might say that 30 min timer is ridiculous, but actually it only means that if you are succesfull in defeating enemy in first battle and you have needed to use purge you might have to fight next 2 battles without it. If the enemy or you needs to port or run back purge will be again ready to be used in your next battle.
Before CC was the defining ability how battles were won so this is a direct nerf against it.
In some occasions CC will propably work and the classes whose defining ability in RvR is CC need these short moments of triumph to make themselves needed out there. Now also tanks can feel better when they can use purge after they get mezzed and go whack that caster down.
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bf_kate
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Re: CC is useless
Iriba
What planet are you living on?
Purge doesn't even work properly so if you do use it (once ever 30 minutes means that often you don't have it), then you're instantly remezzed/restunned.
CC is still the deciding factor in winning battles as far as I am concerned.
Iriba
What planet are you living on?
Purge doesn't even work properly so if you do use it (once ever 30 minutes means that often you don't have it), then you're instantly remezzed/restunned.
CC is still the deciding factor in winning battles as far as I am concerned.
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old.Nol
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When purge has worked it's been really cool, but the bugged timer is not cool, I have been mezzed, purged and been mezzed again. We just spam CC to make sure no one can purge.
Another thing, even in the fixed version of purge, a person can be root/mezz chained. CC is still the defining factor of any RvR but any player clever enough to target the CC'ers will leverage a win(except against insta's).
If you need to find out how to stop CC, I suggest you ask sorcerer's that have come up against Cuthervaen what he does.
Another thing, even in the fixed version of purge, a person can be root/mezz chained. CC is still the defining factor of any RvR but any player clever enough to target the CC'ers will leverage a win(except against insta's).
If you need to find out how to stop CC, I suggest you ask sorcerer's that have come up against Cuthervaen what he does.
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old.Odysseus
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But that wasnt what I said now was it ....
Never said a word about bards being overpowered ....
U can flame all u want, but i suggest u read the post u wanna flame first.
And if u wanna know why im leaving :
http://forums.barrysworld.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=32845
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old.Nol
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I never flamed you mate, I said leaving because of the nerf stick is a lame. The wheel turns and it will turn again. I can respect people like Niljindil, Tzeentch, alpha 1 & 2 leaving for personal reasons or because they are bored but leaving because your character is no longer the most UBER in the game is plain stupid mate. Eleasias has been hit by the same nerf stick and he consistantly manages to get great rp score. Will be sad to see another opponent leave, but I reckon you need to rethink.
I never flamed you mate, I said leaving because of the nerf stick is a lame. The wheel turns and it will turn again. I can respect people like Niljindil, Tzeentch, alpha 1 & 2 leaving for personal reasons or because they are bored but leaving because your character is no longer the most UBER in the game is plain stupid mate. Eleasias has been hit by the same nerf stick and he consistantly manages to get great rp score. Will be sad to see another opponent leave, but I reckon you need to rethink.
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What a load of bollox, Midgard has the best CC by far and Albion isnt as gimp as everyone wants people to think, cleric pbaoe insta mez isnt excactly crap (before the nerf atleast ;O)
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Such as? The only boost I can think from the top of my head is moose ;p Everyone has an opinion on RA's, Albion and Hib got a few good ones, a few bad ones and Midgard has no uber abilities ;( SoS, BoF, GP are all good but SoS > GP definately in this patch since you cant get instantly remezzed after using SoS, but you can after GP.
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old.Nol
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Bards dont get group purge kate, only druids do. SoS may be considered crap by a class that likes to solo, but look at it this way, SoS will enable any group with a minstrel to get into a relic/keep no matter how well guarded the keepers are. That alone makes SoS a great RA, I think the difference lies in the kind people that choose to play minstrels and the kind that choose to play bards...solo vs grouped spec.
Personally I chose Purge and MCL - Purge so that I can purge and cast Ameliorating melodies. MCL so that I can rez more people.
Personally I chose Purge and MCL - Purge so that I can purge and cast Ameliorating melodies. MCL so that I can rez more people.
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bf_kate
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I didn't say they did
Maybe I worded it funny, but I was just saying that is the RA I hate the most.
Well the ones I am talking about are definately not soloers. I think it is probably the timer they don't like more than anything.
Me too
MCL is great. Purge sucks atm, especially against Mids.
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K0nah
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Originally posted by old.Eleasias
You must be the biggest moaner in the history of BW, in the US when they were playing 1.XX (before insta mez) people were saying how gimp Hib is etc, and after that they got insta mez, THEN ppl started moaning hib is overpowered, so PLEASE go moan on US boards instead since we dont even have it yet, you're already crying we're overpowered (jumped on the bandwagon one patch too early)
tbh im not that bothered about mezz. yes alb are gimped in this patch vs hib & mid in the mezz dept (and it gets worse next patch) but its the fact ~50% of the hib realm can cast unlimited 9second stuns, at range, that i really object to. i watched gobarnachta walk upto 2 grp mates the other nite, casually cast stun on each of them over the top of mezz and proceed to kill them both from full health with 3 pbaoe nukes (both lvl50 btw). how much skill do u think that takes? the number of lvl50 casters (and bards) has increased alot in the last months so the abuse and power of a free 9second stun (on 3 very popular classes) is becoming glaringly obvious. and those stats i linked do include euro servers.
PS yeh im a moaner (or am i trying to get some help for a gimped realm?)
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K0nah
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Oh yeh the old "hibs use superior tactics/teamwork we arent really overpowered! no really!" pull the other one. every alb knows what wins fights for hibs... Mezz, Stun & 5000 nukes. If u think anything else your delusional.
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Group purge is a seriously powerful RA, and I think that one of the reasons they gave it to Druids was because originally there was a tough choice for a person who likes support classes between druids, wardens and bards. Both wardens and bards have been / are getting some serious loving. Which means the only support with an insta-heal would probably be a neglected as a beginner class(This is at face value, I do think that druids are very important to any group).
Suddenly bards have cure poison/desease, a bucket load of resist chants and a WAY OVERPOWERED insta-stun. Instead of adressing these issues, they handed out an UBER RA.
Believe it or not, all we asked for was a lull, that actually works...instead they gave us a picnic basket full of goodies and we still have a broken lull, go figure. Hopefully they remove the insta-mezz in the next patch, but in the meantime, I am going to use it on all those f*^kers that have been drilling me full of holes
/em waves at aussie
coming for you first teabag
Suddenly bards have cure poison/desease, a bucket load of resist chants and a WAY OVERPOWERED insta-stun. Instead of adressing these issues, they handed out an UBER RA.
Believe it or not, all we asked for was a lull, that actually works...instead they gave us a picnic basket full of goodies and we still have a broken lull, go figure. Hopefully they remove the insta-mezz in the next patch, but in the meantime, I am going to use it on all those f*^kers that have been drilling me full of holes
/em waves at aussie
coming for you first teabag