Caster RA's
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I think the way he calculates the damage increase is wrong. For example, I cannot see how he calculates the damage increase from Wild Power. WP increases your chance on criticals, so it grants an increased chance of a ~0-50% damage bonus, ~25% on average.
Which would mean WP1 grants 0.25*0.03 = 0.75% damage increase (vs 0.9)
WP2: 0.25*0.09 = 2.25% damage increase (vs ?)
WP3: 0.25*0.17 = 4.25% damage increase (vs 5.1)
On top of that, he also just adds the effects from Wild Power and Master of Magery, while increased Mastery of Magery also increases the damage from Wild Power. MoM5+WP != damage increase from MoM5 + damage increase from WP5. With MoM5 your damage becomes 115%, which means the damage from criticals can be anywhere between 0 and 57.5% (~28.75 on average).
Which means WP5+mom5 grants:
0.15 + 0.39*0.2875 = 26.2125% increased damage
Another thing which I am unsure of is that he adds the effect of Augmented Acuity and MoM. I don't know the formula, but I think it would be something along the lines of acuity*mom and not acuity+mom. I don't know the formula though, so I might be wrong on this one.
Note: This post may contain mistakes, since I'm rather tired
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Which would mean WP1 grants 0.25*0.03 = 0.75% damage increase (vs 0.9)
WP2: 0.25*0.09 = 2.25% damage increase (vs ?)
WP3: 0.25*0.17 = 4.25% damage increase (vs 5.1)
On top of that, he also just adds the effects from Wild Power and Master of Magery, while increased Mastery of Magery also increases the damage from Wild Power. MoM5+WP != damage increase from MoM5 + damage increase from WP5. With MoM5 your damage becomes 115%, which means the damage from criticals can be anywhere between 0 and 57.5% (~28.75 on average).
Which means WP5+mom5 grants:
0.15 + 0.39*0.2875 = 26.2125% increased damage
Another thing which I am unsure of is that he adds the effect of Augmented Acuity and MoM. I don't know the formula, but I think it would be something along the lines of acuity*mom and not acuity+mom. I don't know the formula though, so I might be wrong on this one.
Note: This post may contain mistakes, since I'm rather tired
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noblok said:I think the way he calculates the damage increase is wrong. For example, I cannot see how he calculates the damage increase from Wild Power. WP increases your chance on criticals, so it grants an increased chance of a ~0-50% damage bonus, ~25% on average.
Which would mean WP1 grants 0.25*0.03 = 0.75% damage increase (vs 0.9)
WP2: 0.25*0.09 = 2.25% damage increase (vs ?)
WP3: 0.25*0.17 = 4.25% damage increase (vs 5.1)
On top of that, he also just adds the effects from Wild Power and Master of Magery, while increased Mastery of Magery also increases the damage from Wild Power. MoM5+WP != damage increase from MoM5 + damage increase from WP5. With MoM5 your damage becomes 115%, which means the damage from criticals can be anywhere between 0 and 57.5% (~28.75 on average).
Which means WP5+mom5 grants:
0.15 + 0.39*0.2875 = 26.2125% increased damage
Another thing which I am unsure of is that he adds the effect of Augmented Acuity and MoM. I don't know the formula, but I think it would be something along the lines of acuity*mom and not acuity+mom. I don't know the formula though, so I might be wrong on this one.
Note: This post may contain mistakes, since I'm rather tired
I hail thee Pin nr2 so please give me a correct formula
Attempt at the formula
Considering this, the way the gain from Wild Power alone was calculated in the first post was correct (0.3*chance on a critical hit). The way he adds Wild Power and Mastery of Magery still isn't though. This calculator also suggest that I was right when I thought Mastery of Magery was checked after the damage increasy from acuity.
According to this calculator the damage increase from acuity is more than the chart in the first link suggests, being ~0.361% per point in acuity. The calculator doesn't use soft and/or hardcaps though, so I'm not sure if this can be trusted. It also uses a sligthly different value for the 219 and 209 delve spec DD (~0.361% and ~0.351%).
Anyway, if you want to calculate what RA's would be best to pick, this should be the formula based on the calculations for a 209 delve spec DD:
( (1+xx*0.00361)*1.yy) -1) + ( (1+xx*0.00361)*1.yy)*0.3*0.zz) = average damage increase
e.g. ( (1+4*0.00361)*1.02) -1) + ( (1+4*0.00361)*1.02)*0.3*0.03) = 0.044 (4.4%)
(xx = increased acuity from AA)
(yy = increased damage from MoM)
(zz = increased crictical rate from WP)
(example is for all RA's on level 1)
If anyone spots any mistakes in my calculations, feel free to point them out.
The 'more info' link here explains that apparently critical hits can be anywhere between 10 and 50% and not 0-50% as I thought. This means that you have an increased chance of doing ~30% extra damage on average.Arumos said:
Considering this, the way the gain from Wild Power alone was calculated in the first post was correct (0.3*chance on a critical hit). The way he adds Wild Power and Mastery of Magery still isn't though. This calculator also suggest that I was right when I thought Mastery of Magery was checked after the damage increasy from acuity.
According to this calculator the damage increase from acuity is more than the chart in the first link suggests, being ~0.361% per point in acuity. The calculator doesn't use soft and/or hardcaps though, so I'm not sure if this can be trusted. It also uses a sligthly different value for the 219 and 209 delve spec DD (~0.361% and ~0.351%).
Anyway, if you want to calculate what RA's would be best to pick, this should be the formula based on the calculations for a 209 delve spec DD:
( (1+xx*0.00361)*1.yy) -1) + ( (1+xx*0.00361)*1.yy)*0.3*0.zz) = average damage increase
e.g. ( (1+4*0.00361)*1.02) -1) + ( (1+4*0.00361)*1.02)*0.3*0.03) = 0.044 (4.4%)
(xx = increased acuity from AA)
(yy = increased damage from MoM)
(zz = increased crictical rate from WP)
(example is for all RA's on level 1)
If anyone spots any mistakes in my calculations, feel free to point them out.
