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Fafnir
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Why should I? I will leave that to Goa when the time comes. Btw have you yelled at some new n00b at crim for casting on the keep lord?
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Caeli
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"Hm.. a) Buy purge mebee"
Got purge, 30 min timer tho, so limited use. And casters can get Purge aswell. And MoC. If they have access to a LT spell they can just MoC and tap me to death. Or just go for the plain old nuke-em-to-bits thing.
"b) you pa an alb caster. The casters reactions are quite fast, so within a second they've hit qc and root, and taken ~2 secs to cast it. Assuming it's not resisted, they then turn around and start to run away."
Not all alb casters have root only, if they got mezz you're screwed. And if they take the time to turn around and then run, instead of just step through (Target is not in view) and run, they kinda deserve to die.
"Also, I'm assuming that you're comparing you unbuffed vs a buffed caster?"
Sorry I don't have a buffbot. 99% of all casters will be buffed, since they're grouped or have a buffbot. SBs don't get that many groups.
"Buffed vs buffed, or unbuffed vs unbuffed, the sb should still win, barring resists/misses etc."
This kinda doesn't go in line with Mythics changes over the last few patches tho. /shrug
Got purge, 30 min timer tho, so limited use. And casters can get Purge aswell. And MoC. If they have access to a LT spell they can just MoC and tap me to death. Or just go for the plain old nuke-em-to-bits thing.
"b) you pa an alb caster. The casters reactions are quite fast, so within a second they've hit qc and root, and taken ~2 secs to cast it. Assuming it's not resisted, they then turn around and start to run away."
Not all alb casters have root only, if they got mezz you're screwed. And if they take the time to turn around and then run, instead of just step through (Target is not in view) and run, they kinda deserve to die.
"Also, I'm assuming that you're comparing you unbuffed vs a buffed caster?"
Sorry I don't have a buffbot. 99% of all casters will be buffed, since they're grouped or have a buffbot. SBs don't get that many groups.
"Buffed vs buffed, or unbuffed vs unbuffed, the sb should still win, barring resists/misses etc."
This kinda doesn't go in line with Mythics changes over the last few patches tho. /shrug
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Jonaldo
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I can understand mages should be in trouble up close but all I was saying is that 5 seconds in this image is a bit too long to interupt for don't you think? (yes it says 4 at the start but I allowed for a little time for interruption before trying to cast again)
Even if it was 0.0 second interupt, it means the caster has been interrupted and will fail the spell, not STOP them from casting for several seconds then allow you to stop them for a few seconds more if they do bother to try and defend themselves again.
I never saw a tank get interrupted when I was casting at them and hitting.
Anyway, point is this picture was a bit much to stop someone from re-casting. And anyone who knows my chars at all will see this was my valewalker anyway so he just whipped out his scythe and pwned the mob that was annoying him in melee
Even if it was 0.0 second interupt, it means the caster has been interrupted and will fail the spell, not STOP them from casting for several seconds then allow you to stop them for a few seconds more if they do bother to try and defend themselves again.
I never saw a tank get interrupted when I was casting at them and hitting.
Anyway, point is this picture was a bit much to stop someone from re-casting. And anyone who knows my chars at all will see this was my valewalker anyway so he just whipped out his scythe and pwned the mob that was annoying him in melee
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well if you have invisibility and mass initial damage copled with a stun and strong dot built in, you deserve to be cc'ed and nuked to death. Otherwise you'd always guarantee a win and that wouldn't be balanced
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Caeli
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Compared to a caster catching a SB unstealthed. That's a guaranteed win for the caster. Ah well, nerf SBs, make sweet lovin' to casters since they're so gimped, right? 
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Saturnine
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well a STEALTHer not STEALTING would be like a CASTer not CASTING... and don't at me just because you can't win an argument.. or face a fact
at me just because you can't win an argument.. or face a fact
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Kerram Darktyde
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Casters should be screwed if a melee gets to them, Melee's are screwed if they cant get to the caster..so turnaround is fair
and as for this well now they are unstoppable now they have IP they just charge us then IP and we are dead..
Er that is a lot of Rps for all bar mainline tanks... So Us using RAs just to survive to get to you is wrong... Should we all just stand still in a nice tight bunch for you??
Casters dont have to reach enemy to kill there is no BT for Spells,
and Most casters have some form of CC.
Casters problems with assassins is another thing but Assassins are supposed to be the enemy of Casters, though due to Mythics Nice?? early balancing assassins were the better of everyone..
and as for this well now they are unstoppable now they have IP they just charge us then IP and we are dead..
Er that is a lot of Rps for all bar mainline tanks... So Us using RAs just to survive to get to you is wrong... Should we all just stand still in a nice tight bunch for you??
Casters dont have to reach enemy to kill there is no BT for Spells,
and Most casters have some form of CC.
Casters problems with assassins is another thing but Assassins are supposed to be the enemy of Casters, though due to Mythics Nice?? early balancing assassins were the better of everyone..
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old.SadonTheGrey
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Kerram, if you are a fighter class and you can't get to a caster before he kills you when you're sprint then something is wrong here. I'm regularly seeing 50%+ resists, so if I'm nuking for 280(-300) every 2.5 seconds and you can't get me before then then you're doing something wrong. I can normally get 3 nukes off at max range Vs a tank, as soon as they charge me I'm screwed. If you're reluctant to use purge Vs root then you need to reconsider buying it.
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Mavl
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That heavily depends on the caster class. And please present some arguments why it shouldnt be a win.
Originally posted by Caeli
Ah well, nerf SBs, make sweet lovin' to casters since they're so gimped, right?
Correct.
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Fafnir
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And then they can remove all meele classes and rename the game to Casters of Camelot.
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Kerram Darktyde
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I dont have 50% resists
If it is one on one then ofc i can get to caster
but if suprised or trying to track a caster down who is using cover or batlements then no i can get to him quite often
Cos I cant take 435(-145) every 2.5 seconds.. not many is any melees can do that much damage every 2.5 seconds... I know I cant and 3 times 435= 1305 + the QC = 1750 damage in 10seconds
which = 175 damage per second.... that is alot...
Sure some people have Uber resists stacked BTs and RAs coming out thier asse's but alot more dont...
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Caeli
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Because a SB spending some time stalking a target, waiting for the right moment, lineing up his shot and landing PA haven't got a guaranteed win. Imo a assassin having ideal conditions vs a caster (landing PA) should win, but this isn't the case anymore. Resists, procs and damage reductions have removed the effectiveness of the assassin. We're built to kill fast, the reduction in damage to lenghten RvR fights have reduced our abilites to a state where we can only win due to pure luck.
Yes, I'm usually unbuffed since I tend to solo alot, and usually only partly buffed even if I have a group.
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old.Iunliten
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Originally posted by Kerram Darktyde
I dont have 50% resists
If it is one on one then ofc i can get to caster
but if suprised or trying to track a caster down who is using cover or batlements then no i can get to him quite often
and 3 times 435= 1305 + the QC = 1750 damage in 10seconds
which = 175 damage per second.... that is alot...
Sure some people have Uber resists stacked BTs and RAs coming out thier asse's but alot more dont...
You don't hit for cap damage on a yellowcon target as a mage
670 is MOM2 cap
delve*2 + 100 from int buff is more accurate.
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Mavl
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Bullshit.
If you cant kill a caster by executing all your styles perfectly, you are some sort of an ultimate gimp.
For assasins it is a guaranteed win.
Resists and damage reduction have removed the effectivness of a caster a Lot more than of the assasin, because casters rely on killing the target before it gets to them, and this one thing was stripped away from them.
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Kerram Darktyde
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I was using the mages example
and the total is 580 not 670 anyway
I can not see the figures a caster gets on me all i know is they hit as hard or harder than a Spero most of the time from range
casters do hit hard, and fast and at range... if they were alson able to not be interupted in melee or for much less than they are now then what is the point to playing a Tank??
to be your RP cow??
Mages get the most death spam because they do damage fast, and atleast meduim hard and also most can AE too.. alot can CC too.. Tanks can bash doors and hopefully get into melee with casters to stop the rain of death on them...
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old.SadonTheGrey
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Casters ---do not rain death--- on people with resists. Get in a group with some heat resist buffs, fgs. At least you can counter spells with high resists. After the 26% melee resist cap the only other thing a caster gets is BoF every 30 minutes, and that's only in Albion.
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Saturnine
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There is more to counter spell damage than there is melee damage, and it's a lot easier to do so. (with the exceptoin of a group with 2 wardens I suppose - but groups with that also tend to have BAoD...)
- but groups with that also tend to have BAoD...)
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Kerram Darktyde
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LMAO @ Sadon so you are saying i need 2 other players just to counter you and other casters?
by the same vain if you had 2PBTs with you i could hardly hit you too...
whereas i will still be taking 50% hits..
the resists were added to give the RP cows a chance to survive...
by the same vain if you had 2PBTs with you i could hardly hit you too...
whereas i will still be taking 50% hits..
the resists were added to give the RP cows a chance to survive...
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Yeah but ur talking alot of Ra points. For moc is 14 pts with pre req of aug aculity 3 which is 10 pts. So thats 24pts just for MoC. Purge on top of that is another 10 thats 34 pts in total without mcl or any other caster ra's.
I dont think ur find that most casters have MoC.
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Jenna.
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Originally posted by Fafnir
Why should I? I will leave that to Goa when the time comes. Btw have you yelled at some new n00b at crim for casting on the keep lord?
I only do /point /laugh nowadays
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Fafnir
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You where the first person that made it onto my ignore list. Saaug was the second.
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Jenna.
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Really? Damn Im proud now
Or should I feel bad?
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old.SadonTheGrey
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Kerram.... lets see. You have a shaman and a healer, by some feat they both have the highest magic resists. With equal or greater difficulty, I managed to get 2 x EARTH theurgs in my group for twin synced 3 sec pbt. I start nuking you for 280(-350) or thereabouts, because resists > int buffs. I get 3/4 nukes off in the time it takes you to /face and sprint at me. Wow, just over 1000k hp's. You hit me. It does no damage because of pbt. You hit me again. Again, no damage - pbt. ---But--- I'm not damaging you because you still interrupt me. Tell me, where does the mage own the tank here? Eventually, the PBT will be broken when someone else gangbangs the caster with you, and that caster will die. Before you say 'use moc,' I quote Scunner, and also, that for the same amount of points as a caster can get MoC, you can get shit loads of resists RA's (AoM/Empty mind) to effectively make you bordering immune.
IMHO Kerram, you need to study what happens in RvR, because you seem to have a pretty twisted view of what does go on.
IMHO Kerram, you need to study what happens in RvR, because you seem to have a pretty twisted view of what does go on.
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Fafnir
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Well i used magic on the lord at Crim some 8 months ago and you went all tits up and started yelling it would not work with magic cause i was such low lvl. And you called me names when i said i would not hit him in meele either.Originally posted by Jenna.
Really? Damn Im proud now
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Jenna.
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Originally posted by Fafnir
Well i used magic on the lord at Crim some 8 months ago and you went all tits up and started yelling it would not work with magic cause i was such low lvl. And you called me names when i said i would not hit him in meele either.
Wasnt it at DC?
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lol
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Fafnir
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Dun Crim.
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Jenna.
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Mebbe it was some other n00b that I screamed on at DC then
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old.Hardbein
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Prolly my thane in the good-old-n00b-days
When the fierce mezz-breakers was about in the battlefield omg thanes were realy hated back then Aint that right Jenna ?
When the fierce mezz-breakers was about in the battlefield
omg thanes were realy hated back then Aint that right Jenna ?
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Caster interupts are ok i suppose, theres just a few cases that come into mind as being buggy, like with my bg chanter on excal if someone gets the jump on me, tank or stealther class, and if they dont one-shot me, i usualy try to qc stun, then pbaoe em, but i manage to pull off the qc stun, then go to cast pbaoe, and guess what, interupted,interupted,interupted, still interupted, stun wears off, he beats me into the ground. So now, i just run let my pet do the work.
With regards to melee misses still interupting, i think thats due to pbt, would make 6s pbt -v- a slow swinger like MoC
let my pet do the work.With regards to melee misses still interupting, i think thats due to pbt, would make 6s pbt -v- a slow swinger like MoC