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http://news.independent.co.uk/business/news/article1222854.ece

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Motor insurance premiums to soar
Norwich Union lifts rates by up to 40 per cent and urges other car insurers to follow suit
By James Daley
Published: 31 August 2006
Britain's motorists are likely to see a sharp rise in the cost of their car insurance after Norwich Union, the market's second largest provider, raised its rates by as much as 40 per cent and urged the rest of the industry to follow suit.

On average, NU motor premiums will rise by 16 per cent when customers next come to renew their policies, the company said yesterday. But premiums for higher-risk groups, such as young male drivers, will shoot up by as much as 40 per cent. The company hopes the move will put an end to the recent price war in the market.

Patrick Snowball, the head of Aviva's UK operations, which include Norwich Union, said the company was no longer willing to carry on writing loss-making business, and hoped the rest of the industry would follow its lead, rather than continue to offer cut-price policies.

"We are determined to lead the market on this and we would expect some sensible discipline in the market," he said. "The pendulum has swung too far and rates have been too low - we have to act to ensure our business is profitable. We are prepared to sacrifice volume to achieve this."

Mr Snowball said the company was giving away too much to its customers and not enough to its shareholders, claiming the balance needed to be redressed.

Royal Bank of Scotland, the UK's largest motor insurer via its Direct Line and Churchill brands, gave a cautious welcome to Aviva's pricing decision but would not be drawn on whether it intended to follow suit. Annette Court, RBS Insurance's chief executive, said: "We agree that prices are unsustainable at the current level, given the rate of claims inflation and that prices need to rise."

Like most motor insurers, NU has found the cost of its motor insurance claims and expenses is more than the premiums it is collecting each year. Its Combined Operating Ratio - a key measure of insurers' profitability - deteriorated from 102 to 105 per cent during the first six months of the year. Any figure above 100 represents a loss.

Although the group has still managed to make an overall profit on the motor business, with the help of strong investment returns, Mr Snowball said the company was not willing to continue sustaining a negative underwriting result. He said all motor insurers had suffered in recent years, as the cost of claims - particularly personal injury compensation - had rocketed. Premiums have not risen at the same pace.

The AA, which runs a quarterly index monitoring motor premiums, said rates had remained almost static over the past year. Its managing director Kevin Sinclair said claims inflation had already exceeded premium income by 9 per cent this year.

Aviva's bold move will grate against Norwich Union's upbeat "Quote me happy" advertising campaign, which depicts rapturous drivers jumping for joy when they discover how much they can save on their motor insurance with NU. If its competitors do not follow suit, the move will leave NU among the most expensive providers in the industry.

However, as well as unveiling the new sharp rate rises, the company launched a new "no-frills" motor policy yesterday - Simple Cover - to help drivers keep down the cost of their cover in return for forfeiting certain benefits, such as personal accident cover and courtesy cars.

NU's competitors hit out at the launch, claiming it would be a negative development if the market began to cut out policy essentials to keep costs down. Colin Batabyal, esure's director of underwriting, said: "With no courtesy car as standard, limited call-centre opening hours, premium rate phone numbers, the inability to pay monthly, and fundamental exclusions such as cover for driving other cars, motorists should question whether Simple Cover is, in fact, just too simple."

Britain's motorists are likely to see a sharp rise in the cost of their car insurance after Norwich Union, the market's second largest provider, raised its rates by as much as 40 per cent and urged the rest of the industry to follow suit.

On average, NU motor premiums will rise by 16 per cent when customers next come to renew their policies, the company said yesterday. But premiums for higher-risk groups, such as young male drivers, will shoot up by as much as 40 per cent. The company hopes the move will put an end to the recent price war in the market.

Patrick Snowball, the head of Aviva's UK operations, which include Norwich Union, said the company was no longer willing to carry on writing loss-making business, and hoped the rest of the industry would follow its lead, rather than continue to offer cut-price policies.

"We are determined to lead the market on this and we would expect some sensible discipline in the market," he said. "The pendulum has swung too far and rates have been too low - we have to act to ensure our business is profitable. We are prepared to sacrifice volume to achieve this."

Mr Snowball said the company was giving away too much to its customers and not enough to its shareholders, claiming the balance needed to be redressed.

Royal Bank of Scotland, the UK's largest motor insurer via its Direct Line and Churchill brands, gave a cautious welcome to Aviva's pricing decision but would not be drawn on whether it intended to follow suit. Annette Court, RBS Insurance's chief executive, said: "We agree that prices are unsustainable at the current level, given the rate of claims inflation and that prices need to rise."

Like most motor insurers, NU has found the cost of its motor insurance claims and expenses is more than the premiums it is collecting each year. Its Combined Operating Ratio - a key measure of insurers' profitability - deteriorated from 102 to 105 per cent during the first six months of the year. Any figure above 100 represents a loss.
Although the group has still managed to make an overall profit on the motor business, with the help of strong investment returns, Mr Snowball said the company was not willing to continue sustaining a negative underwriting result. He said all motor insurers had suffered in recent years, as the cost of claims - particularly personal injury compensation - had rocketed. Premiums have not risen at the same pace.

The AA, which runs a quarterly index monitoring motor premiums, said rates had remained almost static over the past year. Its managing director Kevin Sinclair said claims inflation had already exceeded premium income by 9 per cent this year.

Aviva's bold move will grate against Norwich Union's upbeat "Quote me happy" advertising campaign, which depicts rapturous drivers jumping for joy when they discover how much they can save on their motor insurance with NU. If its competitors do not follow suit, the move will leave NU among the most expensive providers in the industry.

However, as well as unveiling the new sharp rate rises, the company launched a new "no-frills" motor policy yesterday - Simple Cover - to help drivers keep down the cost of their cover in return for forfeiting certain benefits, such as personal accident cover and courtesy cars.

NU's competitors hit out at the launch, claiming it would be a negative development if the market began to cut out policy essentials to keep costs down. Colin Batabyal, esure's director of underwriting, said: "With no courtesy car as standard, limited call-centre opening hours, premium rate phone numbers, the inability to pay monthly, and fundamental exclusions such as cover for driving other cars, motorists should question whether Simple Cover is, in fact, just too simple."
 

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Im hoping all the other companies DONT follow suit.
 

Amildin

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driving w/o insurance here i come baby, hope it was only NU that was making these kind of losses and other companies can keep premiums low. Surely the companies backed by major supermarkets and other large corporations can suffer the loss for a year or two while all the other companies raise they're prices then swoop in and steal the market with their low premiums?

Either way, insurance is already a joke, and a 40% increase would make many drivers uninsurable due to a bad stereotype. :m00:
 

Alan

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There will always be a price war and with various companies fighting for business I cant see everyone raising their prices.

Male, 30's, 12 years driving, 8 years no claims, bog standard Mondeo : Cant see myself having a problem on renewal day :)
 

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They claim it's due mostly to personal injury claims so best to blame Injury Lawyers 4 U and their kin!
 

Takhasis

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one of the (horrible) stats i read recently was that 1 in 4 (yes FOUR) drivers in NW england drive without insurance....

37, full protected no claims etc etc, renewal in novemeber, god knows what mines like for my car....
 

Case

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In my second year of driving the cheapest quote I could get at 22 with 1 years no claims bonus was £900 so I drove uninsured for a year, no way I could afford such extortion. And thats driving a 1.1 litre unmodified 3 door fiesta worth maybe £2500.

If insurance wasn't so overpriced for certain age and gender ranges they wouldn`t have such a problem. If it was women who were charged more to drive there'd be court cases for sexual discrimination coming out of our ears but because it's men who suffer thats just tough shit.
 

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ps. Some cock smashed into my PARKED car last year and drive away leaving bits of his car including half of the number plate all over the road, there were 2 witnesses who got a full description of both the car and the driver plus 5 out of 7 of the letters on the number plate.

You know what the police did? Fuck all so I get to pay £630 this year for insurance up from £420 last year. If criminals like this one were actually dealt with by the police thats one more uninsured off the roads but the police really are only interested in making the innocent suffer since when it comes to the courts system they are the soft touches.
 

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Case said:
ps. Some cock smashed into my PARKED car last year and drive away leaving bits of his car including half of the number plate all over the road, there were 2 witnesses who got a full description of both the car and the driver plus 5 out of 7 of the letters on the number plate.

You know what the police did? Fuck all so I get to pay £630 this year for insurance up from £420 last year. If criminals like this one were actually dealt with by the police thats one more uninsured off the roads but the police really are only interested in making the innocent suffer since when it comes to the courts system they are the soft touches.

The police don't give a fuck bud, the ***** won't even turn out during a meal break if a call comes in that some woman is being sexually assaulted and battered a mile down the road. They really are turning into the police from 'The Simpsons', totally incompent bunch of jobsworths.
 

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Takhasis said:
one of the (horrible) stats i read recently was that 1 in 4 (yes FOUR) drivers in NW england drive without insurance....

There is a reason. Insurance for young males costs more than the car half the time.
 

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And this is why I am still yet, to get a car.

Everything these days is too fucking bastard expensive for fuck sake!

Cars & insurance, house, even just renting a fucking house in my area I would need to be on about 20k a year. fucking bastards...

/rant_and_excessive_swearing_mode off

*moves country*
 

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Ryuno said:
And this is why I am still yet, to get a car.

Everything these days is too fucking bastard expensive for fuck sake!

Cars & insurance, house, even just renting a fucking house in my area I would need to be on about 20k a year. fucking bastards...

/rant_and_excessive_swearing_mode off

*moves country*

That is why they call it 'Rip-off Britain' bud. :(
 

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Insurance companies do take the piss, ofc they do but so do people driving without insurance. Driving around uninsured and destroying a car someone spent a lot of money on with no means of covering the damage is a pretty lousy and selfish thing to do... Ok, you may not have an accident at all but if the worst happens how would you feel about destroying the car of someone who can't afford to replace it?

Often, those driving around uninsured have spent 1-2k on a car and then bleat that they can't afford the insurance which pisses me off no end. If you can afford a car worth a couple of thousand you should have bought a cheap little run around (easily buy a £400 car that'll last a couple of years) and pay 3rd party insurance on it instead.

Lets face it, some folks save their asses off for the car they really want, sacrificing a lot of things so they can afford it. Loosing transportation to work, for family, to do food shopping, money on the excess if they claim on their own insurance (if they can afford to be fully comp) and the additional premiums they have to pay as a result can be a real problem.

A friend of mine - single mother with a young kid, next to no money, no family to speak of, working a dead end job for sod all (no minimum wage back then ofc) - got hit by an uninsured driver who basically said 'I can't afford insurance so I don't have any... Not my problem' and PC Plod did nothing... The poor lass lost her job because she couldn't get to work, couldn't afford to buy a new car and had no insurance recourse as she was could only afford third party insurance. She was fu&^&d over good and proper and nearly lost her accomodation because of it. In the end when we found out, a group of us took it in turns to ferry her around and helped her get a cheap little replacement but having to rely on other peoples 'charity' to get anywhere and get a replacement upset her greatly :(

I've had 2 cars destroyed by uninsured drivers (1 stolen gave false details) one seen hitting the parked car and later turned out to be uninsured...

You do have some limited recourse with the motor insurers bureau (http://www.motorinsurersbureau.co.uk/) but it's tends to be hard work and not usually mentioned by insurance companies unless asked about.

Sadly I didn't know about this avenue at the time and being a young driver paying stupid premiums already (first year, the cheapest insurance I could get was £800 for a £300 car), I ended up just footing the bill myself as it worked out cheaper to buy a replacement car than paying the excess on the policy for repairs and paying the additional premiums levied as a result...

Ths year as a 30yo Male, driving a high performance car (Ltd edition Impreza - IG18) with 12 years NCB I'm still paying £650 fully comp although one company quoted £8000!!!

Shop around, find the cheapest 2/3 companies then call them and play them off against each other. Will normally get you a semi-decent discount.
 

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One annoying thing about car insurance threads...

Theres always car insurance adverts at the bottom of each page! :p
 

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I'd just like to say that car insurance adverts are one of THE most annoying ads on TV. Along with debt problem, endowment release, and all female cosmetic adverts. Oh and all Pampers adverts.
 

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