Can we please stop doing..

[old.Tzeentch]

hmm.. not saying it's bad that you spend time organising and financing these things, what i am saying is this entire week i've seen or heard later of these 'elite' raids taking place by a handful of guilds.. and each time you've failed - no, i am not saying you guys suck, i know it's easy to get spotted and outnumbered, i know you probably had a good amount of planning and whatever, what i AM saying is, you KNOW 60 or so people CANNOT take a relic when all the keeps are up, and you should have learned this by now.

why keep doing it with such low numbers?

the problem is not so much spies anymore, it is with gathering enough people and having them co-ordinated in such a fashion that they will be as easy to (cant find the word for it..) 'direct' as 60.

this is mainly the reasons i am aware of that people do these raids.
1) easier to talk to the bigger/active guilds and they are more willing to listen and do what you say
2)less chance of spies
3)zerg lag

fyi: every successful raid by hibernia has been done in the opposite fashion.

tyka: it's a discussion, not a flame. sorry if you took it that way, and i know i came out pretty blunt.

 

[elerand]

Originally posted by old.Tzeentch
it's not that
it's just being msgd, and told 'get a group and come here'
then when i say ok and port over, and ask what im required to do, it's 'come to xxx place', ok, so i go, only to find out they didnt even touch the doors or got spotted too early, or not enough rams, not enough people and so on and so on... please, if you're gonna do these uber secret raids, dont make yourself a laughing stock when you fuck up so bad that the 'public groups' laugh at you..

i dont know who's been behind the latest batch of raids, and i dont wanna know..

you're only wasting my time and yours.

Ah be fair, it's hard to make the right decisions all the time, last raid had to be one of the most organised I've seen, sometimes bad luck is as responsible as poor planning and I'll always give a hearty grats to those who make the effort to at least plan some, these days in hib it's up to an individual to stir the masses, seems to be little constructive plan on such matters as it is.

Just get everyone in hib to turn up and steeeeeeeam, ok it's rash but it seems to me the raids that worked are the ones we saw little planning in

 

[Tyka]

I aint going to reply to your post tzee, just read what charonal said maybe you realise how wrong you are.

 

[Ensceptifica]

Things I think are needed to make a RR work:

- Someone leading it and thinking things through. This takes time and most of all effort. Coordinating 80 people is hard, especially seeing some won't read /cg, LD, yell commands while they're not in charge, etc. Some people say organising a relic raid is easy. It can be, but that's not entirely up to the leader.

- People supporting the leader regardless of whether they think it will work. Not only in the planning, but also in the carrying out and afterwards. I consider any raid succesful when plans are carried out by everyone and people work together to achieve something. Getting the relic is the icing on the cake. As long as everyone is supportive, other people will be motivated to step up and give it a try. It's not a shame if it doesn't work. People whining 'I told you so' and dishing out sarcasm and criticism don't help. Constructive comments help, as long as you show some respect to the person trying to lead.

- Enough people. If you don't take other keeps -> You'll need at least 20 more people on the relic keep.

- Enough rams. Speed is of the essense. You can guard side gates, you can camp the realmgate, but if you're not fast enough, you'll get zerged. Assuming the raid is done at a reasonable time.

 

[old.Laryssa]

-) RL (=Raid Leader) needs to pick GL (=group leader) who are experienced to lead a group from A to B without losses.

-) Each group needs 2 rams (minimum) and at least 2 peeps who know how to operate them

-) RL needs to be in contact with EACH group => chat group.

-) GL need to report to RL about STATUS at their targets (if a keep is defended perhaps a 2nd or 3rd group needs to help them).

 

[old.giriam]

on a related note, does anyone recall which mid keeps the master of rune guys are connected to?

Ive looked around a bit but I cant find it.

G

 

[old.Reno]

Arvakr and Fensalir.

The keeps near the relic control the eldritches/runies/wizzies.

Danita

 

[old.giriam]

Originally posted by old.Reno
Arvakr and Fensalir.

The keeps near the relic control the eldritches/runies/wizzies.

ah, thank you!

G