Camoflage Bug/Cheat?

[thebinarysurfer]

Disturbing events happened to me today in two seperate occasions. This post is NOT intended as a flame or a 'boo-hoo i died' - the latter happens too reguarly for me to care

I was stealthed earlier today in emain - near the amg. My stealth is 47 with bonuses so very good for a ranger - usually cant be seen under a horse length or so away and even then it's not common to get spotted.

Camoflage was up and working and i was bumbling around quite happily with 2-3 fg of albs in the background and all of a sudden an infil (who shall remain namless - the purpose of this post is to get others opinions before reporting) turns to face me from a long range away (we're talking 1/2 to 3/4 of clip range away) turns to face me and runs at me having popped his weapons out.
Obviously i'm a little unnerved so i move out of his running path not wanting to get seen with all the albs around. He adjusts his run path onto me. I move the other way - his run path adjusts slightly again to keep him pointed almost dead at me.
He runs up to me and smacks me without a pause - needless to say i died (nothing new - deaths long since ceased to bother me). But how could he have seen me from a VERY long way away, with good stealth and camoflage both working?

I've been thinking about it myself - was it true sight (which infils cant have so obviously not), was it another person using true sight (even if there was there was no way for him to be guided onto me like that - almost as if he had /face or /follow on me).

Opinions guys - this has happened twice with the same person now since camo was introduced. Is there a camo bug or cheat that i'm not aware of?

 

[loxleyhood]

You sure camo was actualy working? Works like a charm for me, I've had Shadowblades walk straight past me in Uppland.

 

[k9awya]

maybe you wasnt camoflaged



hehe.

 

[thebinarysurfer]

Naw i was DEFINATELY camo'ed - other Assassins ran right by me - under 2 horse lengths away - at least two of them i've been killed by before the patch while in stealth so i know they have SH. I'll be talking to 'rightnextyear' about it. Camo worked fine except against that certain person.

If you do cheat i hope your account is deleted, if not and it's merely a bug of some kind then i apologise - the person i'm talking to knows who he is.

 

[old.Sanar]

Might be that 'pop' what happens sometimes when you come to clip range stealthed. You flash unstealhed for a very short time then vanish.

 

[Aussie-]

fixed in 1.52 :>

 

[old.Jeriraa]

Report him since he was prolly using a radar map. GOA will keep watching him and check that out. They have ways to find out if he's cheating or not. If he is u'll never see him again.

 

[kinadold]

Server do checks, to see if a stealther is inside detect range.
If his not, position will not be transmitted to clients.
So basically its impossibel to use radars against stealthers.

 

[old.Charonel]

well a wierd thing happened to me just after the patch when in thidranki, once last night as well actually, was running around towards mid bridge to join the hibs there after we'd just zerged the mids back to mpk when, at basicaly clipping range i see a "stealthed" mob, you know, like banshee's and bananachs and that, ie transparent like a stealther when you can see them, well i was a bit puzzled since thidranki doesnt have any, and it looked a bit stumpy for any stealth mob i'd ever seen before, so i think oooh they've put wraith thingy's in thid now?

anyway i click on him, it says "Kobold" in the box at the bottom, yellow con too, in the system box it says "you target Idolo, he is a member of an enemy realm!"

now this was strange, because with even a mere 1 stealth you can't see people at clipping range when stealthed, and he was near a fg of hibs who were oblivious to him, was just watching them, i figure, ok it's some wierd lag ghost, but then he moves towards one of our pbaoe luribombs and changes course when our the midget does, now i'm really puzzled, so i draw at him, now i'm even more puzzled because it CAN'T be a lag ghost, they give the out of range message but he didnt, anyway just before i fire he get's insta DD by a bard who spots him as he's nearing the luribomb, then ganked but my arrow hit him for nearly 200 non crit just before he died...

checked duskwave and found that he's idolo the lvl 23 kobold shadowblade.

now since this is thidranki i'll tell you now that my lvl 24 ranger most certainly does NOT have true sight , and since he's a shadowblade then i'm puzzled, and wondering if camo has introduced some bugs into the stealth system that still need to be fixed.

 

[old.Jeriraa]

Kinadold detcet range Infi -> Archer = clipping range. Camouflage is checked after the archer enters detect range.

 

[thebinarysurfer]

Reported it. Lets hope that if it is a cheat he gets banned - although afaik there were no radar maps that affected stealthers before 1.52 - hence why i'm wondering if the camo code has changed this at all.

And yeah aussie is right - no clip range 'pop' anymore. Hence why i reckon the person responsible was a cheating little **** :/

Incidentally, Aussie whats ur thrust resist - u took sod all damage when i shot u yesterday - i know you have 30%+ in slash but what about thrust?

 

[Cowled]

You, my friend, is bugged! .. (strip, and buy new cloth..)

..Actually.. no idea yet.. havn't tried camouflage

Ps. why is it that ppl masure length in horses?

 

[Takhasis]

Camo Rox - i've solo'd a 47 inf and a 50 wiz that couldn't see me since 1.52, and i've strolled past a FG of 50 hibs within spittin distance

 

[Eleasias]

Originally posted by thebinarysurfer
Incidentally, Aussie whats ur thrust resist - u took sod all damage when i shot u yesterday - i know you have 30%+ in slash but what about thrust?

Umm his thrust resist sucks as much as my crush, was shooting him for 350-500 with normal shots... (with no - or + so his resist is around 10% or so) Slash was doing 200 though when I didnt have time to swap

 

[thebinarysurfer]

Mind if i be a cheeky sod and ask what + resist items u have eleasias - thinking about working on new items as a final attempt to make this character playable.

 

[thebinarysurfer]

Originally posted by Cowled


Ps. why is it that ppl masure length in horses?

Easy measurement unit - i get realy confused when people start saying 100 units etc. Prehaps we should measure in troll/lurikeen lengths?

No FMJ jokes please

 

[PKSilver_]

similar thing just happened to me

was stealthed +camo'd between mmg and mtk and see a sb just after hes killed someone, about 5 10 horse lengths away. I know mids are inc so i dont try and shoot him, just head of at an angle, past and away from him.

30 seconds later after walking thru 1fg mids undetected (avoid 1 sb and end up with 8 mids walking over me ) same sb attacks me and then i get another middie join in so im screwed :/

so camo imho is either a buggy piece of shit (most likely) or theres a new hack about

 

[old.Charonel]

i'm curious whether anyone seems to actually know what camo does here? all it does is nullify see hidden, you all forgotten that assassins get detect hidden? because you seem to be expecting to walk right over them and get away with it every time when most of your ability to do that (considernig that you have a good stealth spec) will be based on the server "stealth timer" and whether you get lucky with the detect timings that are transmitted to those assassins.

a tip for people, if your not attacking and are running around stealthed in camo, it's basically just like it was before see hidden, dont expect it to make you any more invisble from assassins than it did then, you'll still get seen if you dont use common sense about avoiding possible assassins (ie it's a bit silly to walk through a full group of mids when they have a shadowblade there, before ra's came out you'd still expect to get seen by them, nothing has changed now that seehidden and camo is here, if your using camo that is).

 

[old.Tzeentch]

I heard that the stealth pop bug was fixed, I still get it tho

Some infil type tries to follow me around in combat and take a shot at me, but as soon as he gets close to me, I see him (before he even has attacked), target, face, and do my DD shout on him and he's unstealthed, and I run off

This the bug that you guys are saying got fixed? or something else

 

[PKSilver_]

yeah i know what camo is, and i also know that i wasnt in the SB's "detect hidden" range and the stealth timer was ok as i had just passed 2 mids at spitting distance

 

[Aussie-]

I wearing 29% slash 10% Thrust equip or i'm wearing 18% slash 22% Thrust equip. just forget to change that sometimes(alot) T_T

 

[thebinarysurfer]

Hmmm guess my crappy resists need some serious upgrading :/

Also in ref to charonel's post - there is no way i was spotted at 10+ horse lengths in camo with 47 stealth. There's an equation for it somewhere - did it once - 3/4 of a horse length is roughly the distance i become visible at to an equal con assassin. NOT 10+ horse lengths. I can and do frequently see assassins up to a second before they begin to gut me like a squealing pig :/

Gonna post up on the yank boards is i cant find anything to do with it on there already later tonight. If other people are finding this happens then aye it's either bugged (in which case the yanks will have some knowledge of it by now) or theres a new hack. Any bets ladies and gents?

 

[Lessurl]

You left your torch on?

 

[Flimgoblin]

it's not torch/emblems or anything...

if camoflagued and out of detect hidden range you shouldn't appear at all - not as a shadow, just not visible.

What is your stealth skill Autarkis? you didn't respec it to 1 did you? (detect hidden range is really quite large if you have low stealth)

but if they made a beeline to you from miles away then something's fishy.

 

[thebinarysurfer]

35 base with +12 mate - so 47 - very high for a ranger - no WAY he should have seen me at that distance - difference person - this time blue con did it again last night to me. Something's fishy imho.

Still staring at the respec message and wondering whether or not to do it atm.

 

[old.Charonel]

Originally posted by thebinarysurfer
Also in ref to charonel's post - there is no way i was spotted at 10+ horse lengths in camo with 47 stealth.

very much agree, i was refering to PKSilver's post not yours, you were obviously miles away .

 

[Danya]

Originally posted by old.Tzeentch
I heard that the stealth pop bug was fixed, I still get it tho

Some infil type tries to follow me around in combat and take a shot at me, but as soon as he gets close to me, I see him (before he even has attacked), target, face, and do my DD shout on him and he's unstealthed, and I run off

This the bug that you guys are saying got fixed? or something else

That's just you spotting him. The pop is with see hidden stealthers would pop into full view at clip then turn into a ghost, made it very easy to spot them at range.

 

[Flimgoblin]

same with normal stealth - now they should go from invis to see-through

rather than invis, fully vis, see-through

try it with a friendly stealther

 

[hiane]

Hey Aut

I have stealth of 24+4 as a lvl 36 ranger and use camo and only get spotted by higher lvls at the moment apart from that day with you where they beelined straight for you.

I expect to be seen by high lvls at close prox but still think Camo is ace as i can usaully get to the enemy pk's with out being seen oops feel a nerf bat comin

 

[old.Charonel]

hmmm, maybe arrowshot isnt gonna die after capping thidranki , may just level him again, when i've gotten my eld to 45 maybe