BW servers are anally configured

[Mongrol]

CTF servers are set to teamdamage off and you can`t vote it on. This means that once a noob plants a turret in a stupid place you can`t blow it to replace it. Like, hello? Are we thick? teamdamage should be "on" with vote withdrawn, not off.

 

[SAS]

Nice to see you asking nicely.

Team damage is off to stop tking. That is the reason it is on. As for stopping voting I did not know it had that setting, and I'll talk to deathace about it.

 

[fatgit]

Sorry SAS but anyone that knows the Tribes scene will know Team Damage is never on on the pubbies.
I know CS pubbies usually have team damage off, but us Tribers dont

TKers can be dealt with by pubby admins (once we get the SAD) or voting off.

I hope you soon get Team Damage off, or the older community players will move away :/

 

[Guest]

Team damage was briefly on during Friday and it was pretty much chaos with ppl thinking its funny to drop a mortar into the base defenders, or just going round blowing stuff up. Whilst I would like to see team damage on from a gameplay perspective I agree its not really practical on the public servers.

Mongrol, the game has been out for a couple of days ffs! Don't be so intolerant. Its attitudes like that that stop new people entering the game.

 

[old.Rezonator]

So what? if you get a TK just kick his ass. Team damage off is crap, you just get a load of noobs spamming morters in their base.

The admins are a bunch of cs players, thats why td is off. Oh well, the T2 scene doesn't need to grovel to BW anymore like it did with T1, they're a plenty of other servers out there and the decent players won't go near BW with those newbie settings

 

[old.GRiLLA]

Please turn TD back on

Have TD off on a tribes server really messes up the game and doesn't help newbies learn niceties like not to use mortars inside. Team killing is handled by Tribes players through kicking.

I have noticed that the megagame server has TD turned on so until Speccy starts listening rather than asssuming he's right i suggest people play there.

Oh and BTW what has happened to the Tribes 2 liason people ? Not seen either in #bwtl or elsewhere all weekend.

.... I wonder if NGUK havbe TD off or on ....

 

[haggisman]

BTW i think that there arent many admins because since the browser is down deathace has been unable to make people admins of the BW servers.

 

[Guest]

Re: Please turn TD back on

...so until Speccy starts listening rather than asssuming he's right i suggest people play there.

Err..thats a pretty big step from what I was saying. My post said don't be intolerant with new players then I gave an opinion on TD which Im quite entitled to do as this is a public forum. How does this translate to me saying I was right? I'm not required to have the same opinion as you however.

Instead of looking for reasons to rant and foam at the mouth you should stop to consider that people may have different opinions. Also your post wrongly implies that I am somehow involved in the decisions made on the server settings, which Im not.

And I have seen new players kicked for mistakes not TKing.


[Edited by Speccy on 15-04-01 at 14:09]

 

[old.Shaz_af_Tribes2]

Forgotten pass for Shaz and the email addy it goes to is old now so I have to use this stupid nick :/

Anyway

I agree with what Mong says but I'll put it nicer

Basically, what is happening at the moment, is that no Tribes 1 player can get a good game on the UK Servers. This is true, ask around. The main reasons for this isn't just newbies, it's genuine pure llamas of the first degree. That's not my point though
I normally play Light D, I find that a lot of newbies walk into my mines, as this doesn't kill them, they don't notice them and do it again...and again...and again. Also, I went O on a server yesterday only to find that their D tactic was to lob a mortar in the flag room, even with 8 LD stood around the place. BECAUSE TD was off, this was a valid tactic. That is not tribes. That is not a Tribes tactic, it's a mindlessly stupid tactic that SHOULD not work. At least give people the option of having Team Damage Servers, make a few TD on, make a few TD off. Not 100% TD off. They'll have to play with TD on in BWTL anyway.

What I'm basically saying is, Barrysworld are prejudice against the long standing members of the tribes community. Agree with me or not, this is true.

Personally, I was hoping an influx of newbies would make BW pubs a lot better than they were. In the Tribes 1 days you had to go to Sweden to find a good pub game.

If some of this doesn't make sense, say so, I have to goto a LAN, be back tomorrow

 

[haggisman]

wait till the admins arrive then, so those TK'n loosers can be dealt with

 

[Guest]

What I'm basically saying is, Barrysworld are prejudice against the long standing members of the tribes community. Agree with me or not, this is true.

Well I cant say I agree with that or understand how you can come to that conclusion with the game only being available for a few days. Personally I have no problem playing on TD or non-TD servers, though as I have no interest in playing in the BWTL the fact that pubby settings don't exactly reflect the league rules doesn't bother me either.

Don't forget that BW has a fraction of the staff it did prior to the EB buyout. With so many patches on release of T2 and all the other servers to manage it could be that they just havent had time to vary the configs to satisfy both camps, especially with it being the Easter weekend.

 

[old.GRiLLA]

Also your post wrongly implies that I am somehow involved in the decisions made on the server settings, which Im not.

Would you be so kind as to direct us to who at BW is responsible for such weighty decisions.

 

[Guest]

Well your very own game liaisons are suppose to make the call on server configs

Thats why there are usually only a couple of them as opposed to the public admins. They take feedback from each community and advise the server ops (Deathace now) on what is required.

Just for the record, whilst I may have once worked for BW, I have no involvment with the network anymore except for being a player on their servers. So anything I say really is just my own somewhat ill informed opinion

[Edited by Speccy on 15-04-01 at 14:33]

 

[old.Shaz_af_Tribes2]

I am an admin, it's just the admin passys aint been set yet etc. SAD yes, admin no

 

[old.GRiLLA]

Thankyou Speccy, I didn't realise you were but a mortal now.

You will be missed as a BW employee who talks to us

 

[Deathace]

Ok well seeing as though there seems to be some misunderstanding i shall clarify for those not too sure on this matter.

1stly BarrysWorld are in no way prejudice to tribes1 players, I think you will find that BW have done their best over the past years to accomodate anyone and everyone. In Tribes case more so than most other games because of the heavy involvement with the community and developers alike. So for you to say that we dont give a shit is a bit unfair.

At the moment crunchy and myself are working on getting the servers up to par and restricting certain options due to the nature that dynamix have just got the game out the door with minimal support for server admins.
What this means is that on the servers running bwbase (which is sort of bwadmin for t2) there will be a few changes put in place as time goes on. Yes its nice to be able to vote anything and everything but at the moment its at such a level that nothing can be controlled properly.
Example of this
You join a Dedicated CTF server and everyone votes to change the mission and map which then changes it from a CTF server (which people joining expect to play) to bounty or hunters etc.
So we have restricted the server side on admin and vote features. The latest part of that is such that it allows Team Damage voting aswell by default, once its working successfully we will have TD on with the option for people to vote TD off.
A problem with that at the moment is voting is a bit silly because there are no limits to how many times you can vote, therefore you will get some pratt come along and just spam voting all the time so we are working on limiting it but with busy work schedules its not really easy to do it just like that, so it will be a gradual process.
From tomorrow I will enable TD on all servers and no doubt this thread will turn the otherway and get alot of people moaning about it being on (newbies or non tribes1 players).

Your Tribes 2 Liaisons are Crunchy & Xtro
Once the community is backup and/or theres a definitive way to sort peoples wonid's to add them to autoadmin you will see more policing going on for the people that deliberately want to take the piss.

If anyone can find a better way of obtaining the Unique WONID then please let me know.
Before the 22228 patch you could do the following in the console, but its broken for me.

echo(WONgetAuthInfo()); which would then display this
name^wonid then you could enter that in the servers autoadmin section etc.
Before you ask we will not be using the SAD system as previous times have proven that people have either given it out or others have obtained it to mess up other peoples playing.
If your not on the list your not doing jack shit

Anyway you can and more than likely will get more done sooner if the attitude is such that you are civil and ask about instead or slagging BW down or personally attacking people. (if the cap fits wear it)
Enjoy

 

[Guest]

Originally posted by GRiLLA
Thankyou Speccy, I didn't realise you were but a mortal now.

You will be missed as a BW employee who talks to us

Thanks m8. Im enjoying having free time again at the moment. Hope to catch you on a T2 server sometime (with a mortar of course )

 

[old.Shaz_af_Tribes2]

Bleh, th prejudice bit was not about what you are doing to help the community, it's that ALL the servers have TD off.

Still waiting for my bloody LAN lift fs

 

[old.Ego]

Speccy - over and over you keep saying "Its only been out a few days" and can i just say DON'T TALK SHIT!! Us hardcore tribes players pre-ordered our copies from the US MONTHS ago and got ours on or very near day of release their, the UK game buying scene is a complete shambles across all formats with NO release date being kept!

as for Team Damage being left off, that totally turns ALL game types into a deathmatch and if people wanted to play deathmatch LET THEM JOIN A DEATHMATCH game, i'll play you and any 10 gimpy quakehead twats against me and 1 other tribes player with TD off and see if you and all your l33t tactics can take our flag !!!!

PUT TD back ON or you WILL lose all tribes players from your servers (and before you think that number is quite small compared to HL, Q3 etc.. remember that big country across the sea called USA and the other way you've got EUROPE! and there are a hell of a lot of players around m8, once word gets round that these servers have been retarded they will never join!

 

[old.UncleCuba]

PFFT

WHY THE FUCK IS TEAM KILL OFF, HOW DO I WORK OUT A TURRET STRATERGY IS SOME FUCKING NEWBIE HAS WASTED ALL MY TURRTS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I had to leave a game today cos some newbie had wasted 6 spike turrets and 5 clamp turrets defending nothing!!!!!!!!!!!!

while flag and gens had no def !!!!!!

I mean how am i expected to enjoy the game if u got retarded people like that playing !!!!!!!![foaming at mouth]

not being funny weres the newbie servers ?

If they were up and gimps mess about in propper servers u can polietly inform them to go and play on newbie server, via the gift of a kick vote


but haveing no admin on servers either?

are u admins retarded too ?

please reply asap as i cant play t2 on BW servers due to current state of affairs


RAGEING CUBA!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[old.GRiLLA]

Thanks Ego and Cuba,

if you read up you will have seen that Deathace has alredy agreed to put TD back on all the servers tomorrow.

Case closed.

 

[old.Jonesy]

As i fyou didn't know

I have just one thing to point out. I think it was deathace that said that if TD is on then we will get newbies whining about the damage on but there is afundamental difference.

Newbies play on TD on server they do one of two things...die.....or get better...well if they die a lot through stupidity then they deserve it, if they get better the halleluyah. Letting them play on a TD off server will only promote stupid tactics (like the mortar flag D) and idiotic behaviour.

By allowing servers to remain TD off you only annoy the experienced T1 players who have no intention of playing TD off because that is to them the anti-christ of game servers.

With TD on I know that idiots will be able to TK on a grand scale, but remember that Tribes 2 has the new unique ID system, vote em off and they cna't get on again 2 seconds later....Unless I am misunderstanding the kic/ban stuff in T2. I also know that dynamix hae fucked T2 up enough to make assiging admins to servers a pain in the arse. so don't blame teh Admins Tooooo much

 

[old.Dreadnut]

I agree

I agree with Cuba , iam also sick of newibe turret placement defending nothing but the open mountains

 

[old.UncleCuba]

i see that now after reading up but i dont understand the logic in turning them off in the first place,


THERE IS/was no benefit from turning off tk from the start, just seems a really bizarre thing to do from people who have played theses sort of games for age

calmer cuba

 

[old.Ego]

hmmm nice ass kissy post grilla, guess you'll be head of the line when the "SAD"'s get given out

Anyway Today is a weekend and now i STILL can't play on the best server (ping wise coz most of the players are pricks) cos TD is still ON, yes, yes, i know it'll be done tomorow and yes it is a bank holiday but that doesn't mean that EVERYBODY gets the day off ya know!

p.s. only jokin grilla (don't forget to gimme SAD when you get it)

 

[old.clade]

their is some very vailid points that ive seen on this and it seem that everyone wants things so they can play happly e.g UncleCuba:WHY THE FUCK IS TEAM KILL OFF, HOW DO I WORK OUT A TURRET STRATERGY IS SOME FUCKING NEWBIE HAS WASTED ALL MY TURRTS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

we were all newbies once and in this case we all are and in the case of tribes (1)if someone came along and started to tk etc i would mention to him thats not kinda thing we do around here (thats to u cs/quake players ;/) and if they are genraly try to be a pain in the ass u can always leave as i know it theirs a fair few servers for t2 alread which are pack (note newbies tend to go one empty servers ).

i dont have the game yet but its a case of other multiplay games it a community and after time them peeps will be rejected from the community (ive seen it happen before.

mabey im just chatting shit but thats what i think kinda


clade

 

[old.Crunchy]

I didn't intend TD to be off, that's just a misunderstanding between myself and Deathace. I've been busy scripting all week so haven't played much. All it takes is a email to me asking for x to be done. My email is crunchy@barrysworld.com. No need to flame BW ppl on the forums, sheesh.

As far as admins go the only way to give someone admin is to give them full control over the server which we don't want to do, there is also very little control over voting options etc. So bear with us whilst we sort these issues out. Don't forget we had BWAdmin mod for the T1 servers so everything ran smoothly, we don't have that atm for T2.

Xtro is a liaison as well but he's having NTL problems :/.

 

[Guest]

Well Ego you are a sad little person basically and I can't even be bothered to argue with you as your toys fly from the pram

 

[old.Kurt_Angle]

You tribes folk seem to have some major probs. FFS christ jesus or whatever, Why oh fuking why do you have to put down on people just wanting to have fun. I can't exactly claim to be tribes old school player, but FFS iv'e been playing it all afternoon, having a right laugh. Thats what the game is supposed to be about on pubs. You want your serrious crap, save it for your clan battles and shit. Don't bring it down on people just wanting to have fun it's just sad and pathectic, all afternoon iv'e seen So called tribes old school players trying to get votes to disable team damage on netgames. Why because on or off it makes little difference to a person that doesn't understand the game in a way which others do, people like you i presume

Only others have more class than you seem to have, and make serrious points, not like you, as speccy says 'throwing your toys out of the pram'


After readig all of the thread. 1 question, is anybody actually allowed to play tribes 2, if you haven't played tribes 1?

Don't you people fucking realise that your game, and major servers will die if the game doesn't get mass apeal that both dynamix and sierra, and indeed barrysworld, netgames ect.. are hoping for.

[Edited by Kurt_Angle on 15-04-01 at 19:33]

 

[old.BruZteR]

no.

Right, now not meaning to be nasty, but newbies here might have a problem with the way things are done. Tribes, and identically Tribes 2 were meant to be played with team-damage on. It's a game that basically crap to play with it on because there's no skill, it's not realistic and it's just not the way it's done. When Tribes started, everyone was pissed off at team-damage, and the people who ended up in a close community were the people who learned that you shoot the red-triangles and try not to mortar inside. We're not throwing our toys out of our goddamn prams, it's a mature (attitude) community 96% of the time, and all that we're saying is we want to play the game the way it was designed to play. Now that it's being sorted thats fine, and I have to say i didn't expect it to happen 3 seconds after the release, but TD on is an important part of the community in CTF: it sorts out the Quake-stylée people who just want to death-match all the time, it weeds out newbies who are purely annoying and can't play a game properly to save their lives, and leaves not what I'd call serious gamers, but leaves people who're willing to be decent about things. And what you said about leave serious games to leagues, it doesn't work like that, public games are there to be play for fun but under the same conditions as a league game. Suggesting that SERIOUS gamers play with several different sets of rules for one mod is, to be honest, ridiculous. It allows no form of practise what-so-ever.
My 3ps worth.