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[Lethul]

I don't know about the parties you've been in but...naaaw.

You keep going to the "no is no" thing and don't take into consideration any of the facts of the situation.

It's not as simple as "no is no".

You're there, on your knees on the bed, dickus ready, the girl is there, on all four, waving her bum at you and says "don't f*ck me", and you don't think there's any indication of f*cking being wanted?

It is as simple as no is no.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Yes, sexy clothes in a club is CLEARLY the same as a naked woman in your bed teasing your cock with her ass.

Clearly.

Funny how far you take this all of a sudden.

Atleast keep in your own analogy.

 

[Sparx]

lol how can you compare wearing sexy clothes in a club to being naked with your arse open and someone grinding behind it?

 

[tris-]

Because one simple fact is the same - the woman said no.

Either none of you are reading things correctly or youre completley missing the point: the point being that the situation doesnt matter (which I already said, and what I assumed you would gather from the different situations given).

 

[Sparx]

Yes but what i am trying to say is you only have his word, after the event, that he said no. So many rape cases, and i am not saying all btw, go against the guy because the women lied about it afterwards. And yes i am speaking from experience here

 

[CorNokZ]

Strap-on? Stripper? Man-rape?

 

[old.Tohtori]

Because one simple fact is the same - the woman said no.

Either none of you are reading things correctly or youre completley missing the point: the point being that the situation doesnt matter (which I already said, and what I assumed you would gather from the different situations given).

I guess tris-, that if a girl gives you a bj, then prepares to get rammed in her hiney by you and just when your bellend reaches an inch from her, she says "no" and keeps on waving, you're just putting your stuff away and rolling to sleep?

Or would you try to get some? Would you inch forward? Would you try to tease some? Would you be surprised if she then sued you for rape if your cock touched her fruit?

And in no world a naked woman waving her bum saying no and a woman in sexy clothes at club saying no is the same.

Oh and FYI; the guy being drunk means shit all, except that he may have impaired memory of his actions.

On the notion of "so many rapist go free", same deal goes other way around, so many people get done for rape for no reason.

 

[tris-]

So its ok to rape a woman then, just because of a prior action?

Personally I would back off and go to sleep, but then im not in to raping people.

 

[old.Tohtori]

So its ok to rape a woman then, just because of a prior action?

Nicely twisted, have a cookie;

 

[CorNokZ]

So its ok to rape a woman then, just because of a prior action?

Yes! You know that's what they are ment for, right? Adam was bored so God gave him a woman...

Rape is a-okay!

 

[tris-]

Nicely twisted, have a cookie;

I havent twisted anything. I was infact asking a question, hence the question mark.

"I guess tris-, that if a girl gives you a bj, then prepares to get rammed in her hiney by you and just when your bellend reaches an inch from her, she says "no" and keeps on waving, you're just putting your stuff away and rolling to sleep?"

in your very own scenario, the woman has said no to sex, yet you are implying you would penetrate her anyway.

 

[old.Tohtori]

in your very own scenario, the woman has said no to sex, yet you are implying you would penetrate her anyway.

I'm implying that i wouldn't simply roll over and go to sleep as you say.

I certainly wouldn't expect a rape charge if my member touched her stuff.

Would you?

But hey, you'll probably go back to "so it's the same as a woman dancing in club".

 

[tris-]

Yes I would if she said "no I do not want sex" or something along those lines, since it has happened to me before and I stopped since she told me to. To do something to someone else agaisnt their wishes is never right, no matter what they did prior to it.

 

[old.Tohtori]

So if she kept on teasing you, but kept on saying no, you'd expect a rape charge from it if you did anything?

Also you'd probably go "yes i was bad" and go to jail for it? With no objection or pointing out the situation?

And since you like to take things into ridiculous comparisons; if she said it under her breath with no way of you hearing it, you'd probably take the rape charge without a blink too

 

[tris-]

IMO rape is rape, I am not a big fan of comitting it.
If you are then good for you.

 

[CorNokZ]

So if she kept on teasing you, but kept on saying no, you'd expect a rape charge from it if you did anything?

If it was okay to rape a woman just because she teases you, I'd be out there banging skanky ho's 24 fucking 7

sadly it's not, so I'm sitting naked in my mom's basement fapping alone

 

[Bahumat]

Rape's ok as long as you shout "Suprise!" first.

 

[soze]

You can be in the middle of having sex and a girl say she has changed her mind and asks you to stop if you carry on thats rape so this is rape if the guy said no, as for why would be be in that possition maybe he was happy to play along up to a point he told her how far he was happy to go she went further thats rape really simple.

 

[Bahumat]

If it was okay to rape a woman just because she teases you, I'd be out there banging skanky ho's 24 fucking 7

sadly it's not, so I'm sitting naked in my mom's basement fapping alone

It's ok, we're fap brothers. We made the Fap handshake and everything! Ok tonight you'll be Dumbledore and I'll be Hagrid

 

[CorNokZ]

I was Dumbledore last time! It's my turn to be Hagrid ffs!

 

[fettoken]

Hey, i want to be in too.. and i don't want to be Harry this time!

 

[CorNokZ]

You can be Ginny this time then.. We need some underage redhead loli tbh

 

[fettoken]

You can be Ginny this time then.. We need some underage redhead loli tbh

Aren't there alot of redheads to be chosen in the general section of FH? I want to be Ssssnape.

 

[kiliarien]

Nicely twisted, have a cookie;

Having read this thread I can once again see Toht that YOU try and twist your arguments or change your stance when you've been argued to a beaten position. Truly hypocritical to claim others of it.

And er, NO means NO. That is the argument. No matter what the previous position was, although I agree he was stupid enough to do it in the first place, if he truly was clear in his words. It's rape.

The article also refers to peer pressure and other effects:

"But Naggs’s barrister, Paul Higham, asked the jury to have ‘‘in the back of your mind’’ issues of male sexuality and pride, fear, ego and peer group pressure."

Would he have been seen as a wimp if he didn't join in for a laugh? Was he so pissed he didn't fully consider the implications of his actions? (I'm sure we've all or mostly been there, even if it's not such an extreme example).

IF he's telling the truth, she's surely guilty.

Oh and your personal views are disturbing to me Toht - the argument of "She's a tease" doesn't stand for anything. It's exactly those sentiments that rape campaigers have been raising awareness to avoid as many actual rapists have been found innocent. The whole point of the campaign: NO means NO.

 

[Lethul]

Nicely twisted, have a cookie;

That has got the be the most hypocritical post ever posted on any forum.

 

[Sparx]

IF he's telling the truth, she's surely guilty.

yes i agree there

 

[old.Tohtori]

Ofcourse it is hypocritical from ME, coming from you lot. Show me where i've twisted things or changed my point of view.

tris- is basically saying that the situation i presented is the same as a girl teasing you at the club.

It's not. You lot seem to think it is JUST the same.

Not to mention tris- is making me seem like a pro-rape person.

Then again, i've never been in the situation where i've got a naked girl in my bed ready for sex and she says no at that point

But hey, you go on with the usual stuff. I won't bother with off-topic stuff.

More to the point, hands up if you would've jumped up from the floor at the point she applied lubricant on your arse? More show on "not quite as simple as he says".

 

[tris-]

No I am not. I am saying that THE SITUATION DOES NOT MATTER, is anyone else getting this point? I surely thought Id exagerated this enough using different scenarios.


The only fact that matters is that the woman/man has said no to sex, no matter what the situation, what position the person has taken up, or what actions they took before that.

 

[old.Tohtori]

No I am not. I am saying that THE SITUATION DOES NOT MATTER

That means "it's the same thing", as you tried to show.

You make it sound like that if i get a girl in bed naked and try to push for sex, even slightly, it's the same as me raping someone in the alley after the club.

NONE of you have tried to get some after the initial no?

 

[tris-]

If you force sex on a woman in any environment, and she says no, it is always the same thing.