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[Ctuchik]

I can't say much more other than it's a living work of art.

no its legally organized animal cruelty.

there's not a single bit of "art" around it.

well, that's not quite true.. its art when the matador gets what he deserves like in that video.

 

[Scouse]

No its a bloodsport

He didn't say it wasn't.

I'm against it tbfh, but I can see the art in it myself.

Yes it is, but wishing death on someone is no better if not worse.

I can see it being no better, but not really worse. We've got fuckloads of humans to go around

 

[old.Tohtori]

I can see it being no better, but not really worse. We've got fuckloads of humans to go around

True, iun essence wishing the guy dies is the same as wishing a lion dies for eating a gazelle on the nature channel.

Now before you read on, remember, i don't think this is a fun sport and i'd rather it be abolished, but as it stands;

Human with skewer against a bull.
Lion with bitey clawy things against bambi.

Equally deadly in comparison i think.

And if someone says "but the human is knowingly hurting an animal", then you can't really say "the animal is suffering more then it should" because those two require similar level of self knowledge.

If the lion doesn't know how much pain it's causing the gazelle, then the bull doesn't know any difference with dying by multiple stab wounds or being mauled to death by a lion.

 

[Raven]

What?



What?




What?

 

[MYstIC G]

I'm laughing at the indignation shown by people who happily eat caged hens.

So you have a folder with the full life history of everything you have ever eaten ever in it do you?

 

[DaGaffer]

True, iun essence wishing the guy dies is the same as wishing a lion dies for eating a gazelle on the nature channel.

Now before you read on, remember, i don't think this is a fun sport and i'd rather it be abolished, but as it stands;

Human with skewer against a bull.
Lion with bitey clawy things against bambi.

Equally deadly in comparison i think.

And if someone says "but the human is knowingly hurting an animal", then you can't really say "the animal is suffering more then it should" because those two require similar level of self knowledge.

If the lion doesn't know how much pain it's causing the gazelle, then the bull doesn't know any difference with dying by multiple stab wounds or being mauled to death by a lion.

What?



What?




What?

Indeed...

The lion is killing the gazelle with the only means it has in order for itself and its Pride to survive. Last time I checked it wasn't necessary to turn a bull into a pincushion for any reason other than entertainment. An I know you're doing this deliberately, but I can't help myself.

 

[Calaen]

True, iun essence wishing the guy dies is the same as wishing a lion dies for eating a gazelle on the nature channel.

Now before you read on, remember, i don't think this is a fun sport and i'd rather it be abolished, but as it stands;

Human with skewer against a bull.
Lion with bitey clawy things against bambi.

Equally deadly in comparison i think.

And if someone says "but the human is knowingly hurting an animal", then you can't really say "the animal is suffering more then it should" because those two require similar level of self knowledge.

If the lion doesn't know how much pain it's causing the gazelle, then the bull doesn't know any difference with dying by multiple stab wounds or being mauled to death by a lion.

Oh look another stupid fucking comparison that only you can see as similar.

Comparing what happens in the wild and a requirement for survival with something that is a sport is fucking retarded. So please shut the fuck up.

 

[nath]

Yes it is, but wishing death on someone is no better if not worse.

I don't understand why wishing death on someone is no better if not worse than *actually* killing something. If I recall, your stance with respect to drunk-driving was "no harm no foul" essentially, so if one applies the same logic to this then surely wishing death on someone is an utterly benign action. Killing a bull is anything but.

 

[Calaen]

I don't understand why wishing death on someone is no better if not worse than *actually* killing something. If I recall, your stance with respect to drunk-driving was "no harm no foul" essentially, so if one applies the same logic to this then surely wishing death on someone is an utterly benign action. Killing a bull is anything but.

Your not allowed to include views expressed in different posts Nath!

 

[Raven]

Don't get yourselves sucked in. Save yourselves before its too late!

 

[Tom]

So you have a folder with the full life history of everything you have ever eaten ever in it do you?

No.

 

[chipper]

True, iun essence wishing the guy dies is the same as wishing a lion dies for eating a gazelle on the nature channel.

Now before you read on, remember, i don't think this is a fun sport and i'd rather it be abolished, but as it stands;

Human with skewer against a bull.
Lion with bitey clawy things against bambi.

Equally deadly in comparison i think.

And if someone says "but the human is knowingly hurting an animal", then you can't really say "the animal is suffering more then it should" because those two require similar level of self knowledge.

If the lion doesn't know how much pain it's causing the gazelle, then the bull doesn't know any difference with dying by multiple stab wounds or being mauled to death by a lion.

what! seriously toht thats the biggest load of shit ive ever heard a human kills a bull out of bloodlust period. a lion kills a gazelle because a)its hungry b)lions are predators c)its in their nature they dont know any better

seriously what do you smoke to come out with shit like that

ps sorry i got sucked in :/

 

[old.Tohtori]

l2read kthx bye

In other words; can't be arsed with people who don't even consider a viewpoint.

So no, you can unsuck yourselves and go play with the yanks who can bother with you still.

I don't understand why wishing death on someone is no better if not worse than *actually* killing something. If I recall, your stance with respect to drunk-driving was "no harm no foul" essentially, so if one applies the same logic to this then surely wishing death on someone is an utterly benign action. Killing a bull is anything but.

Didn't compare actually killing and wishing someone dies.

 

[Scouse]

So you have a folder with the full life history of everything you have ever eaten ever in it do you?

I've got a folder of everything Tom's ever eaten. And his mum.

 

[nath]

Didn't compare actually killing and wishing someone dies.

Yes it is [a bloodsport], but wishing death on someone is no better if not worse.

The bloodsport involves *actual killing*, you said wishing death on someone is no better if not worse. I'm genuinely trying to see how else you could mean it.

 

[Ch3tan]

I'm with Tom and Toht on this one, if you eat meat (and I do), you really can't take any moral high ground.

 

[Ch3tan]

I bet you townies have never had the opportunity to taste the difference between a quite handled Steer and a bull that was enraged before it was killed

Nope, but I wouldn't mind trying it.

 

[old.Tohtori]

The bloodsport involves *actual killing*, you said wishing death on someone is no better if not worse. I'm genuinely trying to see how else you could mean it.

It's not a comparison.

The bloodsport is bad, ergo, the whole thing.

Wishing someone dies is equally if not more so bad.

Just on a scale of "what is bad".

Another is killing an animal, another is wishing a human dies.

 

[DaGaffer]

Nope, but I wouldn't mind trying it.

Why? Adrenalin-soaked meat tastes like boiled shoe leather.

 

[Ch3tan]

Because I haven't tried it and I'd like to, you know it tastes crap, I don't.

 

[Trem]

It's not a comparison.

The bloodsport is bad, ergo, the whole thing.

Wishing someone dies is equally if not more so bad.

Just on a scale of "what is bad".

Another is killing an animal, another is wishing a human dies.

I aren't getting into this but, hey, animals make me happier most humans ever have.

I could wish endless humans dead, and actually be pretty fucking happy if they were to die. Humans reap what they sow, they are intelligent enough to make the choices they make.

As an example I wish Ian Huntley were dead and give me 5 minutes alone with him and he would be, I could think of endless examples of humans I would wish dead.

To have a dumb creature skewered for god knows how long before finally being killed by a ponce in tight trousers is sick, as is chucking a donkey off a church which the Spanish seem to be fond of as well. I guess some races are just backward.

 

[nath]

It's not a comparison.

The bloodsport is bad, ergo, the whole thing.

Wishing someone dies is equally if not more so bad.

Just on a scale of "what is bad".

Another is killing an animal, another is wishing a human dies.

I'm not really understanding you. At first you say it's not a comparison then you follow up saying one is bad, the other is equally if not more so bad. That, right there, is a comparison. You can't have one thing equally if not more so bad if you're not comparing the two.

Additionally, wishing someone dead, as I said previously, is completely benign. Killing something is not - how they can be anywhere near the same level I don't know.

 

[StRaNgEdAyS]

I've got a folder of everything Tom's ever eaten. And his mum.

You've got a folder of Tom's mum?

 

[Scouse]

You've got a folder of Tom's mum?

She's very small.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Trem, you have to understand that i never did claim that i in any way accept cruelty to animals or hurting animals.

I'm not really understanding you. At first you say it's not a comparison then you follow up saying one is bad, the other is equally if not more so bad. That, right there, is a comparison. You can't have one thing equally if not more so bad if you're not comparing the two.

Additionally, wishing someone dead, as I said previously, is completely benign. Killing something is not - how they can be anywhere near the same level I don't know.

Hmm, i don't know how to explain it.

LEt's say you like two things equally much, oranges and apples. Now, you're not comparing them to eachother, you're just stating that they are equally yummy.

That goes with what i said.

What comes to play is that killing an animal bred for that purpose(like a cow for meat) and killing a human being are NOT equally bad, but wishing someone dead and killing a bred animal(with no real use but "fun") are.

 

[Raven]

Just stop it.

 

[nath]

Hmm, i don't know how to explain it.

LEt's say you like two things equally much, oranges and apples. Now, you're not comparing them to eachother, you're just stating that they are equally yummy.

That goes with what i said.

What comes to play is that killing an animal bred for that purpose(like a cow for meat) and killing a human being are NOT equally bad, but wishing someone dead and killing a bred animal(with no real use but "fun") are.

Yeah I'm done - you *are* comparing the two, undoubtedly. Perhaps you simply don't fully understand what compare means. Aside from that little point, I still cannot see why wishing someone dead is in any way similar to killing an animal - one is a thought, the other is an action. Plus this totally goes against your line or reasoning on the drunk driving thread where you had no problem if no one got hurt. Your thought processes are an absolute mess and if we cloned you exactly you could argue with yourself online til the cows come home.

I'm out.

 

[Chilly]

man > bull

/thread

 

[Scouse]

but wishing someone dead and killing a bred animal(with no real use but "fun") are.

I see what you're getting at, but still disagree.

Killing an animal for fun or not actually doing anything but thinking are in no way equal, and in fact the killing of the animal is much worse.

The choice here is:

Actual Torture & Death vs No Physical Action.

It's a no-brainer

 

[old.Tohtori]

Yeah I'm done - you *are* comparing the two, undoubtedly. Perhaps you simply don't fully understand what compare means. Aside from that little point, I still cannot see why wishing someone dead is in any way similar to killing an animal - one is a thought, the other is an action. Plus this totally goes against your line or reasoning on the drunk driving thread where you had no problem if no one got hurt. Your thought processes are an absolute mess and if we cloned you exactly you could argue with yourself online til the cows come home.

Saying someone is comparing doesn't make it so, but whatever helps you sleep at night. Plus it does no such thing.