Bugzy learnt an important lesson today - popularity counts!

[Huntingtons]

You lead a sad sad sad life, whatever happened to enjoying the teen years?... i know i aint fussed bout studying and shit, more bout getting drunk, stoned and shagging as many girls as poss.

and why exactly are these things important? you live a sad sad life for thinking it.

 

[tris-]

tris winz

omg thx m8r

 

[old.Tohtori]

A: what do you mean police officer training can be done by other means? surely only the police can train their officers? and police officers do have an apprenticeship of sorts, think its called probation period of 2 years in which they shadow a more senoir officer after their training.

B: fashion has a lot less theory behind it and much more practical personal experience to do with it. In this time you can do work and learn from other people doing the work.

C: yea, you train to be a chef by being taught by another chef. what you mean it teaches you more than cooking? like how to run a kitchen etc? that also comes through personal experience...

A: That you don't need a degree to be a police officer. That you can be a police officer without one. Qualifications arn't degrees. tris- failed to see this.

B: That wasn't the issue really, ofcourse you learn by doing the job, but i don't know what that has to do with this. Especially on the point i made towards your argument.

C: It teaches nutrition values, creating menus, PR, etc etc etc. A lot that you don't learn simply by being in a kitchen. Ofcourse you are trained by a chef in school too.

 

[Huntingtons]

yes thats correct, thats what im saying.

i believe jobs like that youre better off learning on apprenticeships.

since there is studies in cuts and colours for clothes, what makes things this and that (but i dont know any of those things). so you could either:
a) take studies in art and colourform and then take another in design then take a few more for some more basic knowledge
or
b) take a fashion study.

your pick.

/edit

and most of the jobs you listed as not needing degree. they do infact, go to school and learn some basics and need to pass those.

 

[Ezteq]

allow me to interject!!



tris where did you get that amine tris pic in your avitar done?? i want one!



oh and people always laugh when i say im going for a degree in librarianism
its not just stamping books ya'know!

 

[Amildin]

A: That you don't need a degree to be a police officer. That you can be a police officer without one. Qualifications arn't degrees. tris- failed to see this.

B: That wasn't the issue really, ofcourse you learn by doing the job, but i don't know what that has to do with this. Especially on the point i made towards your argument.

C: It teaches nutrition values, creating menus, PR, etc etc etc. A lot that you don't learn simply by being in a kitchen. Ofcourse you are trained by a chef in school too.

A:I never said you needed a degree to be a police officer, and you dont. A-levels help but even they arent necessary. Who said you needed a degree to be a police officer? There is a degree you can do which i think gets you more likely to be a detective called Criminology, but there is no basic police officer degree.

B: what do you mean that wasnt the issue? my point is that you dont need a degree to go into fashion if you have the talent. It has everything to do with this, if you can do a job through an apprenticeship, why have time-consuming, resource consuming degree to do it instead?

C: Nutritional values and creating menus are both personal choices by the chef on what to cook in their restaurant. I dont believe either require a degree to learn. Maybe a little research but a degree? What cook these days does they're own PR? Most restaurants will have someone hired for that, its not a cooks speciality nor do they have the time to do it. By school do you mean university? Yes you will be trained by a chef, but its much more useful to be taught in a working kitchen than in a lecture hall somewhere.

This is an edit i think you missed from my last post: for A&C im not just targeting fashion but any "useless" degree that prepares for a job that can be taught another way. True it doesnt differ from any students that bum round after their degree but thats a personal choice. Im talking about they're degree not being useful because they werent right for that profession in the start and therefore cannot pay off they're debts.

 

[tris-]

tris where did you get that amine tris pic in your avitar done?? i want one!

edinbrugh, theres a museum of sorts of optical illusions. holograms, mirrors, lights etc. there is a little booth on one of the floors, it takes your picture and transforms you into different things. its near the castle if you ever make it there.

i just took a photo of the screen on my phone

 

[Ezteq]

well cool

 

[Golena]

And what about those who want to do the job, but don't know how?

Or those people who want to better their skills at it?

Or those who can't get an internship?

We might live without it, sure, but there's no harm in having it around as it's a valid option and as such, needed by some.

Might ask you, what do you do for a living and do we really need you to do it? If you nitpick enough, anything can be deemed "useless".

I'm going to bring you back to this point because I think it's been the cornerstone of your argument so far.

Now what if the argument wasn't that doing the degree wasn't useful, but that having the degree at the end of it wasn't useful.

The people who don't know how to do the job or better their skills at it can take the fashion course. But that's not the question that was originally raised. It's what worth does the piece of paper that they get given at the end of the course have. They've got the skills and the training.. Now what difference does the grade on that bit of paper actually make. I'm guessing in something like fashion it's very little difference, and the person who has the charisma and is likeable is going to get the job at the interview over the cocky twat who has an A written on their bit of paper.

It's not that the course doesn't contain useful content.. It's that the end result, the qualification is useless.

 

[Olgaline]

that really really depends on the job in question,
I highly dout they hire scientists, doctors, judges or divers or welders.. ect the list goes on and on, based on charisma or looks

altho i could see the humor in, hey there you have any qualifications ? no, well, you know what, i like the cut of your jib there mate, lets strap you into a rocket and shoot you to outer space where we'll have you perform open heart surgury on a japanies chap on the space station and while your up there we'll have you do a few milor fixes on the station it self.
Good thing you have such a strong chin, and that bad boy smile or I'd really be uncirtian if you could pull it off.


yeah yeah I know, I know...

I'm tired ok ?

 

[Raven]

A degree is meaningless when you have such awful people skills as bugz. A combination of both however will go along way. Maybe once he has actually learnt how to live and how to interact with people things will change.

 

[tris-]

A degree is meaningless when you have such awful people skills as bugz.

youre missing a key point.

a very important part of this.

the very thing that sets him apart.

the very two things that make him better than you, and fuck, even better than me.

the ultimate in skill sets.

what makes him better than 99% of the british population.

the part of him that makes you think "holy shit, i wish that was me".





he has more GCSE than you

AND

he works in a shop.




praise the lord.

 

[Amildin]

that really really depends on the job in question,
I highly dout they hire scientists, doctors, judges or divers or welders.. ect the list goes on and on, based on charisma or looks

altho i could see the humor in, hey there you have any qualifications ? no, well, you know what, i like the cut of your jib there mate, lets strap you into a rocket and shoot you to outer space where we'll have you perform open heart surgury on a japanies chap on the space station and while your up there we'll have you do a few milor fixes on the station it self.
Good thing you have such a strong chin, and that bad boy smile or I'd really be uncirtian if you could pull it off.


yeah yeah I know, I know...

I'm tired ok ?

but the argument was never about those type of jobs, it was about the "section" of jobs such as fashion that traditionally had no degree. But nevermind, this discussion just seems to be going round in circles now

 

[Nate]

Did anyone see The Apprentice? The guy that relied solely on his grades/academic achievements got fired first.

 

[Raven]

exactly, prime example of the type of person that thinks exam results alone prepare people for a glittering career. They usually end up stack shelves in tesco because they just cant get past the interview stage.

 

[old.Tohtori]

A:I never said yo*snip* pay off they're debts.

A: You didn't, tris- did, i'm not saying you did. So you're agreeing with me there.

B: Because not all feel comfortable in that sort of learning, some want to do it via a degree and so forth. Why NOT have the option?

C: That's a whole different subject, so not getting into it THAT much, just meant chef-school in general, not a degree. PR, mutrition values of certain elements, tec, are learned, not necessarily used, there's a difference, and it's useful knowledge. Not everything i say have to be connected to the degree part.

About your last part, then you're simply opinionated dfferently about that. I think everyone should have the chance to do the job, even if they knew nothing about it, but want to learn it. And yes, those who fail to use their "schooling", any form, are just the same as those who have a "useless" schooling.

Now what if the argument wasn't that doing the degree wasn't useful, but that having the degree at the end of it wasn't useful.

Then it's a whole different thing, but it wasn't that.

 

[Amildin]

A: You didn't, tris- did, i'm not saying you did. So you're agreeing with me there.

B: Because not all feel comfortable in that sort of learning, some want to do it via a degree and so forth. Why NOT have the option?

C: That's a whole different subject, so not getting into it THAT much, just meant chef-school in general, not a degree. PR, mutrition values of certain elements, tec, are learned, not necessarily used, there's a difference, and it's useful knowledge. Not everything i say have to be connected to the degree part.

About your last part, then you're simply opinionated dfferently about that. I think everyone should have the chance to do the job, even if they knew nothing about it, but want to learn it. And yes, those who fail to use their "schooling", any form, are just the same as those who have a "useless" schooling.

A; Ok nm, just that you quoted me with that response, a little confusing.

B; because of the economic drain on society of having thousands of students that could be contributing to the economy. I know its quite a controversial view and maybe slightly hypocritical due to the fact that i am a student. But can you not see my point? Whatever values we both put on them?

C; Right, i just made the connection as we've been pretty much talking about degrees the whole discussion. I agree chefs require some kind of background training out of the kitchen. Training which can be set up by the company they work for or by attending college as opposed to uni, but thats another discussion.

I also agree everyone should have a chance at doing something. Just feel there are better ways than jumping into a degree. Nothing wrong with being differently opinionated...

 

[old.Tohtori]

A; Ok nm, just*snip*y opinionated...

A: Yeah, it got a bit confusing since you quoted on a part that was towards tris- etc. Atleast one part is clear now

B: Yeah i see the point of economic strain, but i just find that it's not that much of a problem, if the alternative would be to deny people thr training they feel is right for them. 'cause evidently there's "need" for it, as people want to learn that way. I guess we have to agree to have different views, with both having valid points, and really, it's out of our hands anyway.

C: Yeah, it was off-off-off-topic, my bad really, should've explained more on the original point.

Not at all wrong in being opinionated differently, kinda the only way discussions can become a reality, which, funnily enough, makes the concept of discussion flawed at the start

I think there's plenty to advance in the training thing completely still, it's no perfect system yet, but luckily, from what i can see, people want to change it and are trying to better it every day.

 

[Everz]

wheres the flames gone ?

 

[Lethul]

A degree is meaningless when you have such awful people skills as bugz. A combination of both however will go along way. Maybe once he has actually learnt how to live and how to interact with people things will change.

So true!

I study at one of the more prestigious technical uni's in Sweden. And they performed a follow up test on students recently and the straight-A students were not the nr 1 performers in the life after school. Generally without a job and stuff like that. The one with standard grades that hade spent most of their time partying in school had way better wages/jobs. Mainly because they were more had better social skills/tied more connections during school. This is where Bugz fail, his grade wont matter since he has no social skills to get him through the interviews.

 

[Huntingtons]

and how is it people know he has no social skills? based on internet posts?

then most of you fail im sorry to say it

 

[Lethul]

exactly, prime example of the type of person that thinks exam results alone prepare people for a glittering career. They usually end up stack shelves in tesco because they just cant get past the interview stage.

Doh, didn't read this one fast enough

 

[Lethul]

and how is it people know he has no social skills? based on internet posts?

then most of you fail im sorry to say it

as an example!

FreddysHouse - View Single Post - Bastard problems

 

[Huntingtons]

must i repeat myself?

in... ter... net... for..um...

you even fail.

 

[Everz]

It's the impression and attidude that we get off him, so we assume that he acts this way in real life.

 

[Bugz]

I'm a very people person in school - helped greatly by the great house system we have in our school.

Acting cup is damn well fun & a good chance to perform and let your hair down (and wear funny costumes).
Debating is a great way to hone your public speaking skills. I couldn't make this year's competition due to other commitments but I made sure to bring in a lady to help coach the squad.

I also have a few chairty and academic clubs up my sleeves.

All is not lost! Set your eyes on the prize, work hard enough and it will be yours! (or you will fail in style!).

Everz - someone flamed you a few pages back - make war?

 

[Marc]

I'm a very people person in school - helped greatly by the great house system we have in our school.

Acting cup is damn well fun & a good chance to perform and let your hair down (and wear funny costumes).
Debating is a great way to hone your public speaking skills. I couldn't make this year's competition due to other commitments but I made sure to bring in a lady to help coach the squad.

I also have a few chairty and academic clubs up my sleeves.

All is not lost! Set your eyes on the prize, work hard enough and it will be yours! (or you will fail in style!).

Everz - someone flamed you a few pages back - make war?

Without wanting to get drawn in to the whole @does bugz have any social skills, acting and debating have nothing to do with social skills

 

[Himse]

Why do you post here like you are the most mature person ever?

Get out of your own ass.

 

[Bugz]

Without wanting to get drawn in to the whole @does bugz have any social skills, acting and debating have nothing to do with social skills

"the ability to interact with other people and to function in groups"

Now - not to get into an argument about this but how the hell is leading a debating team (organizing rehearsals, setting milestones, bringing in an experienced lady to aid) and being part of an acting group to present to an audience not social skills?

Just because I choose to do such events rather than get pissed and wake up next to an elephant (not saying you do - just a passing comment) means i have no social skills?

Oh and Everz - go to post #211 - someone has beef with you - or are you hiding from them?

 

[CorNokZ]

Bugz, good to hear you're doing great, but how do you have time for all that?

• Homework
• Charities
• Debate Clubs
• Academic Clubs
• Girlfriend
• Family
• Free time

and so on..?