Buffoon for Mayor

[Bugz]

Rookiescot,

you have a very loose understanding on the world of economics if you believe that more funding = better and that a stronger pound = better too.

Funding is higher because of more issuing of bonds (not necessarily a bad thing although dramatic government failure could equal chaos) and more taxes. Labour have given us some of the greatest (if not THE greatest) tax increases in years. Obviously, more input = more funding.

Crime rates have dropped for some criminal activity but increased in others.

NHS is a topic I wouldn't discuss as I'm not very knowledgeable on it.

Oh and if OPEC are to blame for the petrol prices in England - why does America have roughly 1/3rd to 1/4th of our petrol prices? OPEC supply them too...

 

[cHodAX]

He can't be any worse than Livingstone, I hate that sickophantic bastards with a passion.

 

[Rookiescot]

Rookiescot,

you have a very loose understanding on the world of economics if you believe that more funding = better and that a stronger pound = better too.

Funding is higher because of more issuing of bonds (not necessarily a bad thing although dramatic government failure could equal chaos) and more taxes. Labour have given us some of the greatest (if not THE greatest) tax increases in years. Obviously, more input = more funding.

Crime rates have dropped for some criminal activity but increased in others.

NHS is a topic I wouldn't discuss as I'm not very knowledgeable on it.

Oh and if OPEC are to blame for the petrol prices in England - why does America have roughly 1/3rd to 1/4th of our petrol prices? OPEC supply them too...

See this is where you go wrong Bugz. You have this unshakable belief that you actually know what the fuck you are talking about. But the reality is you are a fucking kid. Do you honestly think less funding = better service?
Crime rates fluctuate but the most important one, violent crime, is down.
The USA has greater reserves of petrol and a greater supply level. Ergo the price is lower in the USA. Its basic supply and demand driving cost. It always has been.

My advice Bugz ...... if you do get that job as a private tutor ... save the money you earn and buy a fucking clue.

 

[Bugz]

See this is where you go wrong Bugz. You have this unshakable belief that you actually know what the fuck you are talking about. But the reality is you are a fucking kid. Do you honestly think less funding = better service?
Crime rates fluctuate but the most important one, violent crime, is down.
The USA has greater reserves of petrol and a greater supply level. Ergo the price is lower in the USA. Its basic supply and demand driving cost. It always has been.

My advice Bugz ...... if you do get that job as a private tutor ... save the money you earn and buy a fucking clue.

You do know that Bush has been pressurizing OPEC to increase oil production for a while now?

Did you know that 70p out of each £1 on oil is taxed by the UK government?

Did you know youth violence has increased recently - with violence in general remaining mostly stable?

Could you explain why the rising value of the pound is 100% good? If it isn't - why bother using it as a point to argue for labour?

The same goes for funding. Why is more funding good? You said yourself that crime has remained pretty much static. So the extra funding in policing does what exactly?

You are an abusive person who can use the internet to make himself seem mighty and powerful - how about keeping on-track instead? You can show me just how intelligent you are by giving me a justified economical answer for each of those questions/comments.

 

[Raven]

Sorry to say, I am with Bugz on this one.

 

[Mey]

Ye, it's really started to piss me off the whole your not 30+ so you don't have a fucking clue lark. It's bullshit, of course he can have an opinon on stuff. He studies economics and if his test scores are anything to go by is fairly good at it. He gave you a fairly reasonable, structured unabusive post and all you give him is shit.

Personally I'm with him on this one, you know that your argument has gone down the shitter so you are just trying to discredit him, shame on you.

More funding doesn't necessarily = better service. You can see it in action in the real world, take hair dressers, I can get my hair cut at a shop for £40 and it will be no better than the bloke that will do it for £7.

Also my cereal box politcal view on the NHS is that it's not a funding issue, it's a spending issue (i.e they are spending the funding on the wrong things).

 

[Aoami]

disband the nhs it's a fucking drain!

 

[Rookiescot]

You do know that Bush has been pressurizing OPEC to increase oil production for a while now?

Did you know that 70p out of each £1 on oil is taxed by the UK government?

Did you know youth violence has increased recently - with violence in general remaining mostly stable?

Could you explain why the rising value of the pound is 100% good? If it isn't - why bother using it as a point to argue for labour?

The same goes for funding. Why is more funding good? You said yourself that crime has remained pretty much static. So the extra funding in policing does what exactly?

You are an abusive person who can use the internet to make himself seem mighty and powerful - how about keeping on-track instead? You can show me just how intelligent you are by giving me a justified economical answer for each of those questions/comments.

Thought I had pretty much answered this but since Bugz is a bit slow I will go through it again.

The revenue gained from petrol tax in ratio to the governments Gross economic spending has remained pretty much static for years. Even back to the 1980's.
Youth crime has taken over a far larger percentage of overall crime. This is largely due to lack of discipline at schools. Personaly I would re-introduce the belt or cane. Then little gob shites like you would not be on here talking the bollocks that you do.

The higher value of the pound means that imports cost less. Given that Thatcher destroyed our manufacturing base this means we have to buy almost everything from abroad.

With extra funding in the NHS you can buy more stuff. This means that instead of going to the Doctor and being told "Sorry mate your fucked you will be dead in a month" it means he can say "Well mate we will send you for some scans and tests and hopefully we can make you better".
Extra funding in the police means you can solve more of the crimes that you and your little chav mates are causing.

I have tried to respond in the most simple maner I can in direct response to your points.
Now I know that you have an O level in Geography so I hope its ok for you.

 

[Raven]

Ok mate heres the answers to your questions.

She ended the manufacturing base of Britain so that we could have the " Financial" capitol of Europe.
Basiclly she traded off the Car, steel, coal, shipbuilding, foundries and all our other heavy industries in an agreement with France and Germany so that we could have the City of London finacial district.
This resulted in mass unemployment.

No it didn't, only in the regions that relied on that industry, everywhere else flourished. We would have lost the industry regardless, countries like China and India can produce the same product far cheaper.

In return we got wankers in red braces driving Porsche's. The Germans pretty much took the lot because now Frankfurt is almost as big as the City of London stock exchange. They still have their car industry. And their coal, shipbuilding, steel and other heavy industries.

Frankfurt doesn't come anywhere close to London

Her cuts in defense spending led directly to the Falklands war. Intellegence reports ment she knew the Falklands were about to be invaded but did nothing about it.

lol, just lol

She sold all the profit making Government institutions. She privatised them. This ensured that she could prop up her failing fiscal policies. This ment that wankers in red braces got even richer while the rest of us tax payers had to foot the bill.

Not quite, the idea was that they were run as proper companies, only under labour have they been propped up by public money while they hike their prices

There was absolutly no stability in the economy. Record inflation. Record interest rates. Record unemployment. Record levels of civil unrest and riots.

Again, wrong. There was a hand full of vocal miners, there was less enemployment under thatcher than there was under labour previously.

All this at a time when we had the benifit of hugh monetary income from North Sea oil. That just shows how incompetant her government was. When it should have been a boom time for Britain ..... we went bust.

We did very well as a country thank you very much, do you seriously believe we could compete with the east in steel and other related industry? She saved us from becoming a country like Poland.

You think the NHS is bad now? Should have tried it when that bitch was in charge.

The NHS has never worked properly under any government, it has always and always will be an expensive money pit

But the one thing I will never forgive her for is when she stood on telly taking credit for victory in the Falklands when it was her that had cost over 300 British lives because of her incompetance.

People die in war, thats the way it works.

She repeatedly changed the bounderies on election wards to ensure she stayed in power. Thats the sort of stuff we condemn Robert Mugabi for.

She was elected though wasn't she? Was uncle Gordon? oh wait, no he wasn't. Labour have taken such a beating we will be lucky to see an election before 2010 gogo unelected prime ministers

 

[Mey]

Youth crime has taken over a far larger percentage of overall crime. This is largely due to lack of discipline at schools. Personaly I would re-introduce the belt or cane. Then little gob shites like you would not be on here talking the bollocks that you do.

Despite the overwelming level of evidence which suggests that physical punishment does nothing to prevent future displays of poor behaviour. It is your generation with poor parenting skills that has fucked up the youth.

Finally clearly the belt and cane didn't stop you talking bollocks..

But the one thing I will never forgive her for is when she stood on telly taking credit for victory in the Falklands when it was her that had cost over 300 British lives because of her incompetance.

Pot kettle black? Look at labour and their handling over the deployment of British troops in Iraq, i'd wager if the govt. had prepeared properly before war our casualities would be 3/4 what they are now.

 

[Bugz]

Thought I had pretty much answered this but since Bugz is a bit slow I will go through it again.

The revenue gained from petrol tax in ratio to the governments Gross economic spending has remained pretty much static for years. Even back to the 1980's.
Youth crime has taken over a far larger percentage of overall crime. This is largely due to lack of discipline at schools. Personaly I would re-introduce the belt or cane. Then little gob shites like you would not be on here talking the bollocks that you do.

The higher value of the pound means that imports cost less. Given that Thatcher destroyed our manufacturing base this means we have to buy almost everything from abroad.

With extra funding in the NHS you can buy more stuff. This means that instead of going to the Doctor and being told "Sorry mate your fucked you will be dead in a month" it means he can say "Well mate we will send you for some scans and tests and hopefully we can make you better".
Extra funding in the police means you can solve more of the crimes that you and your little chav mates are causing.

I have tried to respond in the most simple maner I can in direct response to your points.
Now I know that you have an O level in Geography so I hope its ok for you.

I don't get why you are so abusive towards me about this and consider me so clueless on it - I've been studying world economics and individual business economics for the past year now and I am hoping to study it at university so my opinion on things should be credited.

I'm not going to argue with you because you are avoiding my questions and being a twat but I'm sure other people will pick up on the holes in your logic.

and FYI, supply and demand doesn't apply to any country that gets supplies from OPEC - as OPEC works very much in monopolistic terms. They price fix - because they have the power to. Thus, the only thing that realistically affects oil prices is the taxation forced onto it governments. It's why lesser economically developed countries tend to have less tax on oil - as it promotes what the govt. feels is quicker growth without impediments.

Oh and secondly, rising value of the pound does make imports cheaper but in a country where services dominate our economy, pulling ourselves into an even greater balance of payments deficit isn't advisable. This is why if ever the price of the pound got too high, I'm sure forced depreciation would occur. Ofcourse it encourages economic growth & AD - but it also makes our exports more expensive.

 

[Raven]

Increase in crime.
Increase in taxes.
Increase in pointless red tape for public servents, including the police.
Increase in freeloaders.
Decrease in family values, it is actually encouraged under labour to bring up scum bags.
Decrease in freedom of speech.
Decrease in education standards, no wonder we have so many foreign doctors and nurses, IT bods etc, we don't bother to teach and train our own.
Several illegal wars.
Stupid, worthless white elephants, the dome, the Olympics etc that cost and are still costing us an absolute fortune.
Outright lies on public spending.
The loss of data relating to peoples personal information.
Control handed over to Europe because labour are to spineless to do anything about it.
Selling pretty much all our gold reserve at far lower than the market value in an attempt to cover up the fact that they have absolutely no idea what is happening to the global economy and have spanked all our money up the wall.

Yeah. Labour are fantastic.

I am not saying the conservatives are perfect but labour will quite happily see this country go down the pan, hand in your back pocket, smiling at you.

Its quite funny though, they try to take credit for the global boom period over the last 10 years but if you try to suggest they are at fault for the current slump they will have none of it. They can't have it both ways.

 

[Aoami]

Again, wrong. There was a hand full of vocal miners, there was less enemployment under thatcher than there was under labour previously.

Not that I was more than a bairn at the time, but i have it on good authority that when Thatcher raised VAT to 15% the unemployment figure was over double what it was under the previous labour gov.

 

[Mey]

1979 Unemployment: 1.4m Incapacity Benefit: 1.04m
Public concern: 53% say it is biggest issue facing UK

1979 Thatcher wins: 3m+

2007 Unemployment: 1.7m Incapacity benefit: 2.44m
Public concern: 7% say it is biggest issue facing UK


(still looking for figures at the end of her term..)

 

[tierk]

I dont know about you lot but all i need to remember about the eighties and Thatcher was +4Million unemployed, interest rates over 15%, social services being cut to the bone, house repossessions at a all time high, oh and lets not forget the Poll Tax, cuts in funding for schools, NHS. What about the massive increases in crime under the so called party of law and order?

Not that New Labour are much better tbh seeing as they spent there first term in office just carrying out policies set out by the previous conservative government under Major.

I would give anyone else a go at government seeing as the two main parties have managed to cock things up so royally over the last thirty years.

 

[Zede]

ANYONE who smokes pot should NOT have anything to do with the tories.

100% guaranteed the twats would reclassify pot to a class B drug to satisfy the tory daily mail reading, god fearing, middle class sheeple fuckwits that ARE the tory power base.

Familarity breeds comtempt - its a human condition i think.

Nice to see at least a few people on here are not right wing fucktards Rookie

 

[Hawkwind]

tbh, the comments in this thread show exactly why this country is such a mess
It saddens me that people aren't able to seperate national and local politics and would vote for the worse candidate and suffer for 4 years just to proove a point, when they could just vote properly in the general election

Ow well 4 years to see how much he can f*** up

Hawkwind got a room for rent? i think its time to jump ship before it sinks

Hi matey, Spare on suite room available for the summer be warned though 40 - 50 degrees plus in July / August.

In essence your correct, people cannot seperate local/national elections. However, that's is down to the party system we have in the UK. Advertising and slogans tends to be done on a national basis to keep the national policies in mind. People simply don't hear the local message. To be frank, who gives a toss whether they build a new swimming pool in Tadley anyway. People are sending a message to the government, knee jerk reactions to everyday annoyances.

Although not pefect it is better than the mess that proportional representation brings. Just take a look at Italy's recent political history. Might as well install a revolving door in the Electoral College. Berlusconi in again!

 

[Rookiescot]

shit

Here you go.

Margaret Thatcher - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You will find all you need to know in there.

 

[Himse]

ANYONE who smokes pot should NOT have anything to do with the tories.

100% guaranteed the twats would reclassify pot to a class B drug to satisfy the tory daily mail reading, god fearing, middle class sheeple fuckwits that ARE the tory power base.

Familarity breeds comtempt - its a human condition i think.

Nice to see at least a few people on here are not right wing fucktards Rookie

Haha, you are an idiot sir.

Labour have royally fucked this country, and people seemed to notice it, thus making their choices at the elections.

Time for "Right Wing" to prosper once again.

PS, if you don't like it, don't smoke drugs.

 

[Zede]

Haha, you are an idiot sir.

Labour have royally fucked this country, and people seemed to notice it, thus making their choices at the elections.

Time for "Right Wing" to prosper once again.

PS, if you don't like it, don't smoke drugs.

to many oh so witty bill hicks quotes for tards' like you

 

[Imgormiel]

to many oh so witty bill hicks quotes for tards' like you

Then quote the wit and not the tard - it's obviously more deserving...

 

[Platin]

Ah good news, the left wing is losing power all over Europe.

 

[Hawkwind]

I dont know about you lot but all i need to remember about the eighties and Thatcher was +4Million unemployed, interest rates over 15%, social services being cut to the bone, house repossessions at a all time high, oh and lets not forget the Poll Tax, cuts in funding for schools, NHS. What about the massive increases in crime under the so called party of law and order?

Not that New Labour are much better tbh seeing as they spent there first term in office just carrying out policies set out by the previous conservative government under Major.

I would give anyone else a go at government seeing as the two main parties have managed to cock things up so royally over the last thirty years.

Hi Tierk, Hope things are going well in Qatar. Starting to heat up here in Dubai, summer is nearly upon us.

On topic.

People seem to forget what a mess the UK was in when Thatcher came to Government. 20 Billion Pound owing to the IMF, the unions controlling the country and holding it to randsom. Anyone remember the blackouts?

What the Con Government did do was rescue the country, they completely changed the economy away from Industrial/Manufacturing to service orientated industries. It was a change that benefited the country enourmously. Due to living standards and wages there is simply no way we could compete with the Tiger economies in Manufacturing. I'm not saying it did not hurt at the time and 4 mill unemployed was not something to dismiss. However, the situation would be a hell of alot worse if we had not gone through that change in the 80's.

They fought the unions to give control of companies back to the companies whose shareholders owned them. It was needed. I first joined a union in 1989. It was a closed shop and you had no choice. It was my first job as a trainee at Smiths Industries in Basingstoke. Within weeks we had our first walk out. The reason, a manager had entered the machine shop (union stronghold) and switched the lights on! It was a union job! Absolutely pathetic! Hundreds of thousands of pounds wiped off the companies books because of an incident like that.

Privatising industries and the National Airline BA. BA was an excellent example of a loss making albatross that was turned around to become one of the top five carriers in the world and still one of the most profitable. A net loss maker turned contributer through profit taxes.

The 18% mortgage rates was the result of joining the EU ERM policy which Thatcher was totally against. She always said the markets would play it and they did, causing black Wednesday. Wiping billions off our countries foreign currency reserve assets. If anyone is to blame for that it was the greed of the bank's whose dealing rooms who orchestrated it. It was inevitable but hardly the governments fault. Labour at the time were very pro ERM and full monitary ties with EU.

You mention Poll Tax, Labour had many years to get rid of it. What did they do apart from change it's name and tweak it a bit? The old 'Rates' system was exteremely unfair. Not saying Poll Tax was correctly implimented but it was a move in the right direction and the fact that it largely remained pretty much proves the point.

Law and Order, Schools and NHS, seriously have Labour done anything to improve them.?We continually hear about how much more money has been spent. With the NHS most of it is wages of the all the middle managers they installed to run hospitals more efficiently. Civil service is the same, vastly increased wage bill but no improvement.

Easy to quote stats regarding the 80's but as Churchil once said, "There are lies, damned lies and statistics!"

You have to put them into context of the changes that were going on at the time.

 

[Zede]

to many oh so witty bill hicks quotes for tards' like you

fraid i cannot, bill hicks never targeted righteous, right wing, anti drugs type people, he was more like jack dee.

my apologies

 

[Lucius]

So Zede, your reason for disliking them is that they are going to reclassify cannabis to a class B drug?

I don't know what to make of that comment.

 

[Himse]

to many oh so witty bill hicks quotes for tards' like you

Im not anti drugs at all, i think people can do what they like to themselves.

Im just saying, stop complaining and being a labour monkey.

 

[swords]

Here you go.

Margaret Thatcher - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You will find all you need to know in there.

Anyone quoting or linking to wikipedia to win an argument should instantly lose imo.

As for more money = better NHS, well having worked for the NHS for a few years in 2005-06 I can say quite accurately that throwing money into such a large and complex organisation does not always result in tangiable performance increases.
Money filters down from the top and I got the feeling that money was being spent on 'gimmicks' more than base level services in the hospital I worked in.

 

[Mey]

Anyone calling Bugz wrong cause he is young then using wikipedia to back up there argument is surely a twat.

 

[Shagrat]

Gotta agree with Mey on that one Im afriad. How you expect to win people over to your way of thinking by just insulting and belittling those arguing against you without really addressing any of his points amazes me.

And to agree with Hawkwind, everyone seems to conveniently forget how screwed things were when the Tories under Thatcher took over.

 

[Golena]

Lets ignore unemployment figures for any arguments for now..

The only reason they might possibly be lower under labour is because saying "i'm on the dole" is now a respectable above minimum wage job!

What i'd really love to see is the lower classes treated more harshly. Not because I want them to suffer, because I don't. But because it might provide just the slightest bit of encouragement to the chavs of today to try and raise themselves above it.
Make life at the bottom comfortable, and why would you bother trying to move from there?