Buff Shearing and the Albion FG format.

[wittor]

cool I can take my bot soon with me cus I think he's tired of standing at atk

 

[Vodkafairy]

I'm getting 48 enhan just to annoy the fuck out of VF and Stubbe

Yer do that, but I doubt your group lets a solo bard live after you've sheared all the butts off me.. even though that would be the most evil thing to do

 

[Gorre]

I might be wrong but do people actually play a high aug/nurt/enh char because they like buffing so much or because buffs are needed before you move out, and from that point on you're there for heals and resists.

I'm not really looking forward to all these buffwars.. if rebuffing / buff shearing is the only thing I'm going to do in a fight..

booooooooooooooooooooring, but i might be wrong :x

exactly i didnt roll my cleric because buffing seemed so cewl and exciting
i got a bbot for that.
healing classes are/should be all about healing
in combat rebuffing on gimped range is the most stupid thing ever and will make healing classes less fun to play
i just hope the cast time is 10secs orso cuz this is pissing me off tbh
fregging clueless GOA monkeys

 

[Bellona]

fregging clueless GOA monkeys

mythic

 

[Gorre]

mythic

cba getting technically right

 

[Flimgoblin]

In their current format I really dont think they'll be that much of an impact... an occasional irritatation but probably nothing else.

why? ask your self - how "uber" were normal debuffs when they were castable?

 

[Asha]

Uh VERY flim - at least to me; it's like saying castable aoe disease doesn't effect much before group cure spell

BTW cast time is 2s for single
3s for aoe

or so I read on V-bsboards

I don't understand you ppl saying buffing is boring lol
What the hell is the difference in casting a buff to help your teammate and casting a heal to help your teammate? You wouldn't say: Damn I made my caster to do damage, not to debuff!!! It will be annoying to have ppl yelling for buffs, but I am sure we can fix that. It's making enhance and active line essentially instead of a passive line.

 

[Shan]

think youll find buff shearing just wont happen in RvR at all... if you get the jump on them then u mez and assist thru them...why the hell would u want to mez..buff shear (wasting time and possibly breaking mez) then assist on them anyway, if your assisting properly theyll be dead in less than 6s more if they have IP or Purge up...just assist fortehwin..cant really see a use for Buff shearing in open or FG RvR at all tbh... possibly more useful in standoffs like 'Mg's or Keeps' but even then what idiot cleric is gonna want to run towards the enemy first and try to shear a few buffs? your a looney if you do.

So basically removing STR/CON buff from assist target does not help at all? Have you any idea how many times the assist train is inch from killing the target and then he gets a heal or insta, or MA train gets rooted and he gets away?

And how about DEX/QUI shearing enemy casters when they have been CM/Purged and increasing their cast time by 1-3s or more (If you have a Banelord in grp :>)

 

[Asha]

BUFF SHEARING CHANGES


Based on Pendragon testing feedback, we have made some changes to how buff shearing works.

- We have removed the lowest tier of buff shearing spells. This leaves two tiers, a single target version and an area effect version. Both of these versions will be able to strip buffs regardless of level.

- We have changed the casting time of the cleric version of buff shearing spells to make it consistent with the druid version.

- The damage component of the Cleric and Shaman versions of the Strength/Constitution and Constitution shears has been removed.

- The damage component of the Druid version of the Strength/Constitution and Constitution shears has been halved.



CLASS CHANGES AND FIXES


Buffing Class Changes

- Focus Shell spells have been added to the buffing lines of Druids, Shaman, and Clerics. These spells, which can be cast on others as well as oneself, absorb a significant amount of damage from all sources. The caster of the spell will have power drained as the focus shell is held in place, and the shell will drop if the caster moves or takes any other action. The recipient of the focus shell will not be able to take any action or use any ability, including attacking or healing, while the focus shell is up without causing the shell to fail. The recipient of the focus shell (if other than the caster) will be able to move without the shell breaking, provided they remain within a 2000 unit range of the focus shell caster and maintains line of sight. The shell will only protect against realm enemies.

Shaman - Augmentation Spec Line
41 Spirit Shell (Absorbs 70%)

Cleric - Enhancement Spec Line
46 Hand of God (Absorbs 85%)

Druid - Nurture Spec Line
47 Nature's Cocoon (Absorbs 90%)

fuck me ! Give !

 

[stighelmer]

that is actually a great idea. will make the work of a cleric more enjoyable and versatile, no ?

 

[Driwen]

fuck me ! Give !

I dont actually see the shell spell as that useful. 1) the caster needs to stand still and cant do anything, 2) the one who is under its influence cant take any actions.
So basically its only useful to cast on the person who gets assisted on, so he lives longer or gets left alone till shell is dropped. Off course its useful, but it doesnt allow a PBAoE'er to wipe out groups or keep a healer alive so he can keep healing.

 

[Asha]

Here are some clues about why I like it

1) clerics have to stand still to heal anyhow
2) the best clerics I know are good at hiding (if possible and it is most fights)
3) it will mean that your enemy wastes time trying to hit something add guard or bodyguard and they will have to move on to another target. This also will give time to shear.
4) for casters this is good, they can't cast under an assist train anyhow unless MoC

Also, I was debating if this is good or not but then they drop the lower tier of shears and suddenly you really need high enhan on one cleric.

I am thinking about vs tanks tbh, as I don't see Mids changing to casters til Frontiers changes things. Am I wrong?

Anyhow... wait for it to go live

 

[laiyna]

Do not forget the 25% debuff bonus from ToA items..... And the 35% buff bonus on ToA items. These group buffs give almost as much buffage as a spec buff (that does not need to be recast)...

Laiyna

 

[Vodkafairy]

well you won't be a healer anymore if you want the focus shell, because you're left with low value instants and a crappy baseline heal only

it's not like albs can afford 3 clerics in one group really :/

 

[Asha]

preventative healer... tanks with no buffs.. casters w/o dex ...
I read cleric range is 1850 for shear, is that right?

maybe we will be able to fit a friar sometime in the future

I might have my template done by the time we get 1.69 !

 

[Vodkafairy]

cleric - high enhance
cleric - rej/enh
cleric - rej/enh or smite
paladin
minstrel
friar
theurgist
+ one man assist train !

 

[liloe]

EXACTLY what vf said.....it will have most impact for albs and it will piss Warden's (or do you think a mage grp will drop a healer/dmg dealer?) because the debuffer can then take over the role of the single target healer. At least that's what I think. When nurture druids wanted smth active, it was rather smth like the reactive healing proc or the short duration group celerity, not such a crap which will make RvR a horror with buffing, debufing, rebuffing, focus crap...and btw...one hit on the focus caster and the spell is gone, so a free healer can just get out his wpn for a sec and beat the caster to drop focus.

 

[Asha]

you forgot the sorcerer.

no, we can't fit 3 clerics

and I wouldn't get a friar atm, but maybe someday we can have a friar.

I don't think this is bad for albion tbh ... it won't be fun rebuffing all the time, but it will be fun to see ppl w/o bbot buffs We'll loose a spread heal, but we gain alot in return. If it doesn't work, then I would just respec back to the first spread heal and then try again.

ofc the shield is very limited. I am not so intrested it in as I am in the buff stripping tbh. The high enhan spec requirement makes it so that it's not a secondary spec but a primary active spec worth speccing it. This is what we've been asking for for ages.

 

[Vodkafairy]

we'll see I guess

still I think mid has by far the advantage of this focus shell thing, but they are also the class that has most problems with rebuffing after a shear.. so i guess that evens out

 

[Asha]

theur pet shammie = bye bye shield

and like stubbe said, they have to pick up an extra shaman if they want to be able to buff all because of conc end buff or run around w/o full buffs.

somehow I think the skalds are going to be buffless

anyhow, am happy to see Mythic coming up with some new ideas. It gives me something to look forward to while doing TOA

 

[Vodkafairy]

anyhow, am happy to see Mythic coming up with some new ideas. It gives me something to look forward to while doing TOA

true

but i think focus shell should be given to the bardish classes of all the realms instead !

 

[Asha]

ye, and wings !

 

[Vodkafairy]

ye, and wings !

oo yes ill take those gladly

 

[Raven]

really doenst matter what albs get as they will still zerg with thier crappy set up groups and win only my shear numbers.

 

[swords]

I think the focus shield thing is a silly idea only realy useful when the cleric can hide and not be interupted.
It doesnt suit my play style but i'd be willing to utilise the single target shears in the initial stages of the fight to reduce the strength of the enemy tanks.

Oh and i dont mind combat rebuffing and certainly believe its essential to get those dex buffs back on the sorc after rez so he can cast his shields otherwise its insta dead again.