Budget 2008

[old.user4556]

Pile of shite?

Brilliant?

Discuss.

BBC NEWS | Special Reports | 629 | 629 | New car tax rates for 2009 for starters.

 

[Raven]

Pile of shite, blanket punishment of the workers as you would expect from labour.

 

[nath]

I neither smoke or drink (much) so it doesn't affect me much but it strikes me that they've really decided to hit the working classes. Because clearly them's the ones that should be taxed more *






*sorry for using rolleyes, I know it's shit but felt appropriate.

 

[Jupitus]

This tax on bigger cars is fucking me off - yeah it's fine on the silly tossers who drive on their own in a flashy 4x4 to work, but we NEED a Galaxy for the size of the family - it's not a luxury and I certainly don't have extra cash lying around for the tax increase

 

[gohan]

where the fuck id robin hood he wouldnt stand for these tax's

 

[Trem]

It kind of makes me chuckle really.

After all it was the working class numptys that voted Labour in and kept them in and now they are crying into their pot noodles. I am working class but it was so fucking obvious this would happen I just couldn't understand the people who voted.

I guess its because Blair appeared on Jonathan Ross, must make him great.

 

[Will]

I'm a bit better off, due to the NI drop. Once we get our local income tax up here, I'll be even better off.

 

[old.user4556]

The local income tax is shite for me, I think it's a fucking crap idea leading to even more lazy arse Scots plugging up the dole queues (i'm not saying you are Will).

Council tax breaks for the elderly who have paid tax all their life sounds like a good idea.

 

[Embattle]

It doesn't really affect me at all really, although like all budgets I'm never under any illusion as to what will happen

 

[Will]

The local income tax is shite for me, I think it's a fucking crap idea leading to even more lazy arse Scots plugging up the dole queues (i'm not saying you are Will).

Council tax breaks for the elderly who have paid tax all their life sounds like a good idea.

People on the dole don't pay council tax at the moment, so it doesn't affect them.

It shifts the tax burden onto higher earners. Anyone earning under £35k should pay less. Which includes me.

 

[Wij]

Blanket taxes to raise revenue cos they're broke. Quel surprise :/

 

[Tom]

I think I might just buy that pre-1973 Dodge Charger then, and they can shove their tax up their arse.

Coys : 1969 Dodge Charger R/T 440

Still, it doesn't affect me much since I fuel my car mainly on vegetable oil.

 

[Trem]

What annoys me the most is petrol prices, it is just never ending how much they raise the tax on fuel.

Petrol prices went up when there was that explosion at the refinery yet they never came down, Iraq pushed prices up yet they never came down, fucking unrest somewhere that has oil pushed the prices up but they never came down.

I hope and pray for another petrol strike, the bloody French truck drivers wouldn't put up with this. I tend to think haulage companies are getting a back hander somewhere.

All Labour has done and ever will do is raise prices on stuff it has an argument for, no matter how weak. They justify petrol duty by saying they are saving the planet, utter bullshit.

Worst government in my life time (apart from the last Labour one).

 

[Kryten]

Can anyone explain that car tax in more detail?
Are the emissions based taxes on new cars only or all cars?
Mine doesn't even fall in the current category as it's a 1997 model, does the same apply there?

 

[old.user4556]

I'm not 100% sure on this Kryten, I think the "pre 2001" still applies - I think. However, anything after will be subject to the new 2009 table (based on reading up on the net).

There is nothing to suggest that this is only applicable to cars made in 2008 and forward, other than if you buy a new car in 2010 it will be subject to the arse-raping "first year" tax (if you buy an eco diesel you're safe).

 

[Tom]

However cars before 2001 with engines over 3l get whacked with a £25 kengestion charge from October.

Its like the 60's all over again.

 

[Mabs]

while it does hit some people a bit hard in the middle, it does make wankers in chelsea tractors pay through the nose, and will save little old ladies a few quid, neither of which is bad tbh

<edit>
from what i understand its replacing the current tax system entirely, so it will be all cars (possibly with exceptions for "classic" cars etc)

 

[Pfy]

People on the dole don't pay council tax at the moment, so it doesn't affect them.

It shifts the tax burden onto higher earners. Anyone earning under £35k should pay less. Which includes me.

I don't think that the £35k bracket is high enough. I reckon higher taxes should be on a higher wage. Although afaik the £35k is after your tax allowance, making it more an annual salary of 40k (assuming single mans tax is still 522L (£5220)).

Still should be higher.

 

[svartalf]

My political rant for the day...

WTB entirely new political system.

WTS useless undemocratic neo-fascistic pseudo-"democracy". Iraq don't want it, and who can blame them?

 

[Tom]

Don't forget 'National Insurance' oh sorry I meant 'another tax that goes into the pot and not pensions or the NHS'.

 

[bob269]

I'm quite confused how any car can be road tax free, or road tax raped, they all use the same roads to drive on, didnt the road tax used to pay for the upkeep of the road.

This green tax is bollocks, people who drive petrol thirsty cars use more petrol, hence pay more petrol tax

 

[Tom]

It hasn't been called road tax for decades.

 

[old.user4556]

It won't change a fucking thing, it won't change global warming or climate change and everyone knows it. Labour think our heads zip up the back, but tbh they'd all be the same.

Do they seriously think that Joe Contractor walks into a Porsche showroom to spend £70k cash on a 911 and thinks "you know what, fuck that if I have to pay £71k instead of £70k to tax this beast, i'm off to Toyota to get myself a 1.0 Aygo for £7k". I mean, come on. The same applies to those buying Range Rover sports. It's just simply more tax and the motorist is easy pickings. The rich won't give a fucking toss, congestion will still exist. Meanwhile, those that get paid fuck all continue to drive around in uninsured bangers or cheap cars anyway, so it makes fuck all difference at the top and bottom.

Carrier bag tax? Fuck me.

Then up here in Scotland, the SNP are scrapping local council tax and introducing an additional income tax (3p for every £1 you earn I understand). Now, this works out well for people like my parents who will struggle to pay council tax as it stands when they retire, but under the new scheme they will benefit. However, for someone like me I pay more - that's my tough cheese for earning over £33k - but that means I'm paying through the arse living on my own than a family of four (assuming one income earner) who need a) to use far, far more water b) produce a shit load more refuse that needs picked up c) live in a larger house than me d) use a lot more gas/leccy, therefore a much larger carbon foorprint. But i'm expected to stump up more cash? Fair? Is it FUCK

Edit: I've just realised that a large 6 bedroom home that has Mr and Mrs Rich living in it with their Jags parked on the gravel driveway and their unemployed children/adults living in the house, and don't technically earn as they live off pensions/savings/retirement funds - won't pay a single fucking dime under the SNPs ideas.

SNP plans to introduce local income tax 'fatally flawed' - Scotsman.com News

 

[bob269]

It hasn't been called road tax for decades.

Doesnt really make it any different?, Call it what you like, you need it to drive on the road.

It kind of makes me chuckle really.

After all it was the working class numptys that voted Labour in and kept them in and now they are crying into their pot noodles. I am working class but it was so fucking obvious this would happen I just couldn't understand the people who voted.

I guess its because Blair appeared on Jonathan Ross, must make him great.

TBH Trem, whoever we voted for they'd all be milking this green tax, they are pissing themselves at how naive and stupid we are at thinking we are doing our bit for the environment via various taxes, yet it keeps the do-gooders happy and seems to keep certain peoples conscience at ease.

 

[throdgrain]

And why should I pay more to tax my Jeep? The fact that it uses more petrol than a stupid 1.3 shitboxmobile means I already pay more tax because I buy more petrol!

 

[Trem]

And why should I pay more to tax my Jeep? The fact that it uses more petrol than a stupid 1.3 shitboxmobile means I already pay more tax because I buy more petrol!

Exactly, if anything they need to get rid of road tax if they are going to keep raising petrol prices. The bigger the engine the more tax you pay via the scandalous fuel duty.

TBH Trem, whoever we voted for they'd all be milking this green tax, they are pissing themselves at how naive and stupid we are at thinking we are doing our bit for the environment via various taxes, yet it keeps the do-gooders happy and seems to keep certain peoples conscience at ease.

Aye it winds me up, I may have my figures wrong here but didn't I read that if we stopped using oil based things for a year China would make up the polution in 3 days?

 

[Wij]

But they CAN charge Road Tax. Therefore they will. And it will increase faster than your wage. That's the Labour way \o/

 

[Jonty]

I guess someone has to keep MPs in the manner they're accustomed to

Kind regards

 

[MYstIC G]

while it does hit some people a bit hard in the middle, it does make wankers in chelsea tractors pay through the nose, and will save little old ladies a few quid, neither of which is bad tbh

<edit>
from what i understand its replacing the current tax system entirely, so it will be all cars (possibly with exceptions for "classic" cars etc)

No no no, it hits the middle hardest, i.e. those that need those size vehicles (family, work, etc), does nothing to wankers as if they can afford the "chelsea tractors" they'll afford the increases and the little old ladies don't know what time it is anyway...

 

[DaGaffer]

I guess someone has to keep MPs in the manner they're accustomed to

Kind regards

Y'see, I think this is a bit of a red herring; MPs earn £60K a year and have to live in their constituency and in London; its not unreasonable to claim expenses on a London home, because on that salary they simply couldn't afford to do the job otherwise. The important thing isn't "ooh, its taxpayers money, blah, blah, blah", its that such expenses should be properly accounted for, which is the real issue.

As for the budget; I don't understand why everyone gets so wound up; Labour or the Tories, it wouldn't make any difference. Neither party can touch income tax (vote loser), we pay some of the highest basic rate VAT in Europe, so they can't really move that, so booze, fags, and most critically, fuel, is their golden goose. This is the pattern for the future, and your criterion when voting at the next election should simply be which party will deal with public spending better, because that's the only way to minimise their annual wallet raid. Labour have proved to be pretty incompetent in this area, but the tories weren't much better, they just have specialist areas of incompetence. My view is the tories would be the "least worst" option, if only because they would be slightly more resistant to turning us into a police state (but only slightly), but the choice is like the choice between catching syphilis or gonorrhea; both are going to ruin your week.