News Broon the Bully?

[rynnor]

Been watching this story for the last few days but its now taken an interesting twist:

BBC News - PM staff 'called bully helpline'

 

[00dave]

Not surprising really, I read an article written by an american diplomat about how he hosted a meal at downing street and got very mardy when everyone sat down to dinner without his permission, then spent the rest of the meal sulking.

 

[Tom]

Winky is a fucking slack-jawed dribbling despotic nutcase, and the sooner he is booted out, the better.

 

[Raven]

You would be pretty pissed off if you had failed so miserably at just about every aspect of being PM.

 

[Furr]

These stories, well amongst political anoraks, have been around for years and years about Brown and his aggressive treatment of staff, no smoke without fire to be honest. But should a bully be allowed to win an election and run the country??? I was always taught that bullies should never win.

 

[Tom]

Remember that about 50% of the population of this country is less intelligent than the average man.

 

[Lollie]

Remember that about 50% of the population of this country is less intelligent than the average man.

if it was 50% of the population wouldnt that make them the "average man"?

 

[Tom]

Statistics fail.

 

[Bugz]

if it was 50% of the population wouldnt that make them the "average man"?

haha owned (depends what way you look at it tom ;d)

If we take average man as the translation of 'the representation of the country' as most see it - then 50% (well 50.000001%) would be the 'average man.

 

[Bugz]

Although Tom think about it.

Less than 50% of the population being 'dumber than the average man' is statistically always going to happen.

If we take 1,2,3,4 - the average is 2.5 - 2 are less than the average (50%).

IQ is probably close to that of a normal distribution -> then 50% of the pop will be dumber than the average man.

Either way - your comment makes very little sense

edit - sorry to take this off-topic! :d

 

[rynnor]

haha owned (depends what way you look at it tom ;d)

If we take average man as the translation of 'the representation of the country' as most see it - then 50% (well 50.000001%) would be the 'average man.

Tricky one - that would be the Median man not the average man.

To get the average intelligence you'd need the IQ of everyone then divide it by the population - depending on how many bright or stupid people there were it would be higher or lower than 50% - the chance of it actually being 50% is incredibly low.

 

[Bugz]

Depends how you model the IQ of the country really.

I'd say a normal distribution is the most appropiate. And the normal distribution is such that the average (mean) has 50% of the population on each side .

 

[nath]

Tricky one - that would be the Median man not the average man.

Median is a form of average, though admittedly mean is the most common use of the word.

 

[rynnor]

I'd say a normal distribution is the most appropiate. And the normal distribution is such that the average (mean) has 50% of the population on each side .

Everyday life convinces me theres a lot more stupid people than clever ones so I'd expect more than 50% to be below the average (mean) intelligence.

 

[Bugz]

Just checked; it is indeed modeled with a normal distribution - but accurately when used for adults only.

But I know what you mean rynnor!!

 

[cHodAX]

Fucking carebear media douchebags, politics is tough and if you can't stand the heat then get the fuck out of the kitchen to be honest. If you boss shouts at you because you aren't doing your job right then take it on the chin and do the fucking job right, after all they are getting paid good money and fat fucking pensions so they should at least earn it.

It all smacks of character assassination, so what if the guy is a miserable prick I couldn't give a fuck how rude he was to staff if he could actually get the idle fuckers to do the job right.

 

[rynnor]

Just checked; it is indeed modeled with a normal distribution - but accurately when used for adults only.

Seems extremely unlikely to me that intelligence would be normally distributed - I think it just reflects a weakness in IQ tests (which are pretty bogus anyway).

I'm never very convinced by Psychologists statistical analysis

 

[00dave]

fucking slack-jawed

haha I was watching predator on channel 4 and when I read this Blain was saying "Bunch of slack-jawed faggots around here. This stuff will make you a god damned sexual Tyrannosaurus, just like me."

 

[Bugz]

Even if you used a test other than the IQ test, it'd probably tend towards normal distribution via the Central Limit Theorem anyway.

But I do agree that IQ Tests aren't that great!

 

[cHodAX]

Lets get the thread back on track. Ok so Gordon Brown is a nasty miserable fucker, so what? The people working for him can choose to leave, I bet he doesn't bully the ones who actually do thier jobs well either. Infact I am betting he doesn't bully anyone but he expects high standards and kicks arse when his staff don't live up to them.

 

[rynnor]

I think it would be unimportant if he hadnt been on a campaign recently to nauseate us and prove hes actually not some dour old man.

It was always going to be a mistake for him to try and use his personality as part of a re-election campaign - it opens the door to all this nonsense.

Edit - hey who changed the title of the thread - I had it as Broon on purpose - dont u read Private Eye?

 

[cHodAX]

I think it would be unimportant if he hadnt been on a campaign recently to nauseate us and prove hes actually not some dour old man.

It was always going to be a mistake for him to try and use his personality as part of a re-election campaign - it opens the door to all this nonsense.

Good point, that is what the thread needs not some arguement over how to work out averages.

Personally I think the bloke is a total liability anyway but the media trying to get him replaced before the election so they can sell some more papers is just them trying another 'John Terry' on.

 

[Furr]

YouTube- Gordon Brown at PMQs misses the bullying joke 6th May 2009

 

[rynnor]

Another angle is should the anti-bullying charity have waded in?

Some say its a possible breach of confidentiality but on the other hand would be that they felt it was worth making a point in such a public case.

They arent happy that the bullying accusations are being swept under the rug.

 

[Jupitus]

Edit - hey who changed the title of the thread - I had it as Broon on purpose - dont u read Private Eye?

Errmmmm... no

 

[Calaen]

Fucking pussies, Bullying helpline should stay out of it as well. We want people to work in a stress free environment!!!! Yeah because that's totally plausible in any high paid job fucking nabs.

It's meant to be confidential, and she is out for a bit of free publicity.

 

[Ch3tan]

cal, it's not the first time he has been accused of doing it. And as Rynnor pointed out, he knew this would surface when he went on his latest media campaign to prove what a nice guy he is. Or he would have had he any common sense or foresight.

 

[yaruar]

Fucking pussies, Bullying helpline should stay out of it as well. We want people to work in a stress free environment!!!! Yeah because that's totally plausible in any high paid job fucking nabs.

It's meant to be confidential, and she is out for a bit of free publicity.

tbh most senior civil servents need a right good kick up the arse.

typical anti brown propaganda (although i'll be the first to admit he should have realised blair was stiching him up with the leadership of a titanic) i suspect that Thatcher treated her staff even more firmly but back then everyone expected to be told in no uncertain terms what to do.

interestingly enough everything i've read from the people who actually work with him day to day have not confirmed any of this, even the ones who have turned agsint him and tried to oust him, so it's just hearsay from a bunch of tories who are shit scared that cameron will do the unbelievable and snatch defeat from the laws of victory like they did at the last election

 

[Wij]

That's why everyone around him wanted that early election. They knew full well that Gordy is a genuinely unpleasant chap and they wanted an election before the public woke up to it.

 

[yaruar]

That's why everyone around him wanted that early election. They knew full well that Gordy is a genuinely unpleasant chap and they wanted an election before the public woke up to it.

i've still seen no direct evidence from anyone about his bullying people though, just third parties who all have an agenda. I have a few friends quite high up in the civil service too who are quite vocal about who is or isn't good to work for, and they've never said anything about him, even rumors.