brain bursting rage

[tris-]

BBC NEWS | Magazine | Rise of the all-you-can-eat restaurant

But some believe the all-you-can-eat concept promotes poor dietary habits. And, that contrary to the suggestion that more choice encourages experimentation, it actually stifles it.

"The irony is that if you give people complete and unadulterated choice they eat a narrower range of food simply because they can - you can eat burgers every day if you like" says Professor Martin Caraher, professor of food and health policy at City University London.

He is concerned about all-you-can-eat restaurants. "It encourages greed. There is a sense of getting value for your money. And we've moved away from the notion of stopping when we feel full. People think I'll just have another bit, I'm not paying for it."

if people want to go eat what ever they want, why is it anyones concern except their own? it just adds to the growing list of things being banned because apparently we cant think for our selves.
i was at a course last week relating to public health and nutrition, and some of the things they came out with were insane.

we should remove salt shakers from tables, so people have to ask for the salt. that might make them eat less of it

rather than puddings and ice creams coming with sauces, they should be reduced to a basic pudding and people should be charged more for toppings

when i stated that people can surely decide them selves to say for example, "i dont want any chocolate sauce", i was advised that people were not prepared to make that choice. in that case, it is probably cos they want the fucking sauce then.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Yeah, bullcrap and all that. If people can't control what they eat, maybe they shouldn't be out in...well...say the world?

Though i have to say;

I told you this was coming!

Those anti-smoke fagnuts can go suck a tailpipe because "Choo choo!" here comes the bantrain THEY f*cking started

(Oh and i just wanted to vent that alst bit out, don't try to start a discussion on it on this thread. I refer you to any other smoking thread )

 

[Calaen]

I don't think it says anywhere in tris post or the link about banning anything?

 

[tris-]

maybe im being hasty. its a potential item to add to the list of things being banned.
its the whole thing of suggesting we cannot decide things for our selves that pisses me off.

 

[old.Tohtori]

What tris- said.

Also, regarding the ban issue, this is exactly how the other bans started.

Notion of unhealthy.
Revelation of "durrr" element(saying that it IS unhealthy when everyone knows it is)
Government jumps on wagon to boost polls etc.
Ban goes through.

 

[fl3a]

yeah, lets ban salt and pudding sauces. alcohol, guns and driving are much more forgiving for people who want to live a long life!

what i dont get is, how the quoted professor can say that having a wide range of choice narrows down what we actually want (we could eat cake, burgers, fries and bacon in the same meal, yet we dont) but going to an all-you-can-eat buffet makes people eat all of those things? isnt he contradicting himself?

 

[Olgaline]

actually,

if the brittish system is anything like the danish system.
aka free medicare, then it does become a public issue...


note not saying I agree, but with such medicare models it does become public buisness
what you do, since others have to pay for your "in this case" potential overeating.

same for smoking ect.

 

[old.Tohtori]

note not saying I agree, but with such medicare models it does become public buisness
what you do, since others have to pay for your "in this case" potential overeating.

You pay for other peoples things too. So you have as much of a right to stuff your face and kill your lungs.

You pay for sport injuries, avccines(that you don't care for even) etc.

It goes both ways

 

[Bahumat]

In a funny sort of way, Science and Technology have bested mother nature. By this I mean we live longer and can deal with colds/viruses etc much better.

Mother Nature's decided to kill us with food!

 

[fettoken]

Yeah, whats with the deal with them wanting to keep people alive for as long as possible.. seriously? Either, it have something to do with money, or they are clinically insane.

 

[old.Tohtori]

In a funny sort of way, Science and Technology have bested mother nature. By this I mean we live longer and can deal with colds/viruses etc much better.

Mother Nature's decided to kill us with food!

Actually the plan to eradicate humans is simple;

Depend on their desire to save everything.

We will run out of resources, food, etc as the earths population grows and the means to support life longer grow.

Since people won't let other people die, like for example starve in africa(yes i know how it sounds), humans will eventually f*ck themselves up their righteous arses.

 

[fettoken]

We need less do-gooders in the government and more people with intentions to fuck the public up the arse without a condom. But thats exactly what they are doing so nm.

 

[soze]

The witch hunt on fat people makes me laugh its like the healthy living depart got told to leave smokers alone because we need the tax so just picked on fat people to save their jobs

 

[tris-]

rather than ban things, a better idea could be to educate people on what ever issue may arise from using such a thing? i dont mind being told that an affect of eating such a food could contribute to heart disease, but dont take away the option to eat it.

 

[aika]

banned in Britain has become a meme long ago. Be thankful you still have access to the Internet

 

[Jeros]

It would really help things if people did not sue, blame and whine there way out of self inflicted stuff tho......

 

[tris-]

It would really help things if people did not sue, blame and whine there way out of self inflicted stuff tho......

is this really a problem though or are we just made to think it is?
id be interested in stats relating to what affect this really has, if anyone has any.

 

[Jeremiah]

rather than ban things, a better idea could be to educate people on what ever issue may arise from using such a thing? i dont mind being told that an affect of eating such a food could contribute to heart disease, but dont take away the option to eat it.

I'd say there is plenty of education about how foods can affect your long-term health out there. Ask people what happens when you eat burgers every day and I'd imagine 99% of people would agree it isn't good for you. Thing is, we are just far too good at ignoring education, or any conditions, side effects or consequences that don't affect us right now.

Think of all the advertising you've seen about drink driving and taking drugs. Ask anyone involved in them if they know its dangerous and they would probably say yes - but since it doesn't affect their lives at this point in time, they have no real incentive to change.

Banning things - harsh, yes. Big brother politics, yes. Will it improve the health of the general population, probably. And that is it. Saying, "provide education AND choice" relies on those being educated having the motivation or desire to act on the education, to change in some way.

 

[tris-]

Banning things - harsh, yes. Big brother politics, yes. Will it improve the health of the general population, probably. And that is it. Saying, "provide education AND choice" relies on those being educated having the motivation or desire to act on the education, to change in some way.

this is the sort of logic that makes me smash my head in to the wall to try forget how crazy it really is.

 

[megadave]

no need to ban all you can eat, just ban fat people instead

 

[cHodAX]

Great all you can eat Indian at Nawaab in Manchester for £11, fucking love it!

 

[cHodAX]

no need to ban all you can eat, just ban fat people instead

Don't pick on Thad's mum, just don't.

 

[old.Tohtori]

I'd say there is plenty of education about how foods can affect your long-term health out there. Ask people what happens when you eat burgers every day and I'd imagine 99% of people would agree it isn't good for you. Thing is, we are just far too good at ignoring education, or any conditions, side effects or consequences that don't affect us right now.

Think of all the advertising you've seen about drink driving and taking drugs. Ask anyone involved in them if they know its dangerous and they would probably say yes - but since it doesn't affect their lives at this point in time, they have no real incentive to change.

Banning things - harsh, yes. Big brother politics, yes. Will it improve the health of the general population, probably. And that is it. Saying, "provide education AND choice" relies on those being educated having the motivation or desire to act on the education, to change in some way.

First i'd like to point out that it depends on the burger, can have quite a healthy burger diet even. Just not on MacD, though eating anything MacD will probably take a year out of your life each time

Second i'd like to point out that many addicts actually want to quit, but the addiction monkey has a kevlar harness on. Cold turkey locked room would do the trick, but that's mewmew-inhumane.

And finally i'd like to disagree with motivation being the key issue. If there is a lack of information and education, you can't have the motivation to change as you know no better.

 

[Ezteq]

I don't understand it I really don't.

here we are in the so called 'information age' and we have all this access to resources and things and we seem to know less than people did in the 1940s fgs. Ask your grandparents how many fatties there were when they were kids; the odd podger but thats about it. They did exercise ate reasonably and knew that you get fat if you sit on your arse and eat cake all day.

Now we got idiots going on telly screaming "help I'm a lardy and I simply don't know how to lose weight!!" and we don't ask them why not, we say "oh we'll help you...by making the descisions for you and taking away all the options that would not bebeneficial for you"

That's not helping anyone, that is just fostering a generation of spineless, brainless pop-tarts who don't know how to choose for themselves and think that whatever they have available must be ok because if it wasn't they wouldn't be able to get their paws on it.

People are programmed to seek out fat..I read it in new scientist, why we seek out fags and booze is another matter. Maybe we are just decadant self destructive and rechless by nature?


Don't try to change me baby!!


Good point earlier though about it being the business of the gov because they fund the NHS; hadn't really considered that tbh.

 

[old.Tohtori]

I don't understand it I really don't.

here we are in the so called 'information age' and we have all this access to resources and things and we seem to know less than people did in the 1940s fgs. Ask your grandparents how many fatties there were when they were kids; the odd podger but thats about it. They did exercise ate reasonably and knew that you get fat if you sit on your arse and eat cake all day.

Now we got idiots going on telly screaming "help I'm a lardy and I simply don't know how to lose weight!!" and we don't ask them why not, we say "oh we'll help you...by making the descisions for you and taking away all the options that would not bebeneficial for you"

That's not helping anyone, that is just fostering a generation of spineless, brainless pop-tarts who don't know how to choose for themselves and think that whatever they have available must be ok because if it wasn't they wouldn't be able to get their paws on it.

People are more cofortable, things are easier, you don't have to work so much and you don't have to seek knowledge. People save everyone, PC runs amock and voila...why do you think we get brainless morons when we spoon feed everyone?

In the 40s you had to survive, in the 00's you have to be born.

And while it may be governments problem, they can f*ck off telling me how to live according to some mold.

 

[Fafnir]

I just wanna know why you get hungry so much faster from a Big Mac & Co, than the equal food from the corner shop burger joint..

 

[old.Tohtori]

I just wanna know why you get hungry so much faster from a Big Mac & Co, than the equal food from the corner shop burger joint..

The corner shop burger joint uses less "crap" in their food.

Ofcourse this depends on the place and country, (for example the finnish MacD is healthier then the UK one), but they use real bread, real meat etc.

You can't satisfy a hunger with crap

 

[Fafnir]

The corner shop burger joint uses less "crap" in their food.

Ofcourse this depends on the place and country, (for example the finnish MacD is healthier then the UK one), but they use real bread, real meat etc.

You can't satisfy a hunger with crap

But my own minced viel meat burger filled with bluecheese, onions and chili...

 

[old.Tohtori]

But my own minced viel meat burger filled with bluecheese, onions and chili...

That's healthy

Funny though isn't it?

MacD, tastes less, costs more/pound and is less healthy for you.

Maybe the government should educate kids on cooking and not eating healthy

"Here timmy, you can eat a big ass burger if you make it!"

 

[kirennia]

But my own minced viel meat burger filled with bluecheese, onions and chili...

Replace viel with lamb and you've got my favourite burger right there A friend of mine makes them up; they're absolutely amazing.

Burger in a toasted muffin >>>> all too by the way Try before you criticize