Bow damage post 1.52

[censi]

Found these caps limiters.

a player who just auto trains bow (12+5) will do just over 100 damage less than someone who trains it up to 50.... Thats a bit shit...


17 recurve
heavy: 890 crit shot, 445 normal shot
great: 856 crit shot, 428 normal shot
regular: 731 crit shot, 365 normal shot

20 recurve
heavy: 901 crit shot, 450 normal shot
great: 867 crit shot, 433 normal shot
regular: 740 crit shot, 370 normal shot

23 recurve
heavy: 912 crit shot, 456 normal shot
great: 878 crit shot, 439 normal shot
regular: 749 crit shot, 374 normal shot

26 recurve
heavy: 924 crit shot, 462 normal shot
great: 888 crit shot, 444 normal shot
regular: 759 crit shot, 379 normal shot

29 recurve
heavy: 935 crit shot, 467 normal shot
great: 900 crit shot, 450 normal shot
regular: 768 crit shot, 384 normal shot

32 recurve
heavy: 946 crit shot, 473 normal shot
great: 910 crit shot, 455 normal shot
regular: 777 crit shot, 388 normal shot

35 recurve
heavy: 957 crit shot, 478 normal shot
great: 921 crit shot, 460 normal shot
regular: 786 crit shot, 393 normal shot

38 recurve
heavy: 969 crit shot, 484 normal shot
great: 932 crit shot, 466 normal shot
regular: 795 crit shot, 397 normal shot

41 recurve
heavy: 980 crit shot, 490 normal shot
great: 943 crit shot, 471 normal shot
regular: 805 crit shot, 402 normal shot

44 recurve
heavy: 991 crit shot, 495 normal shot
great: 954 crit shot, 477 normal shot
regular: 814 crit shot, 407 normal shot

47 recurve
heavy: 1002 crit shot, 501 normal shot
great: 964 crit shot, 482 normal shot
regular: 823 crit shot, 411 normal shot

50 recurve
heavy: 1014 crit shot, 507 normal shot
great: 975 crit shot, 487 normal shot
regular: 833 crit shot, 416 normal shot

53 recurve
heavy: 1025 crit shot, 512 normal shot
great: 986 crit shot, 493 normal shot
regular: 842 crit shot, 421 normal shot

56 recurve
heavy: 1036 crit shot, 518 normal shot
great: 997 crit shot, 498 normal shot
regular: 851 crit shot, 425 normal shot

59 recurve
heavy: 1047 crit shot, 523 normal shot
great: 1008 crit shot, 504 normal shot
regular: 861 crit shot, 430 normal shot

61 recurve
heavy: 1055 crit shot, 527 normal shot
great: 1015 crit shot, 507 normal shot
regular: 867 crit shot, 433 normal shot

 

[katt!]

do 50 shots against yellow cons and calc the average damage. not just the cap.

 

[censi]

no

 

[censi]

unless that yellow con is you....

 

[Novamir]

what kedal said

on a grey con with irrelevant AF, you will always do cap damage. if you shot 100 level 50 mages and saw the huge range of damage you do with low bow, it would suck.

for eg a Light Eld with 0 Void will still hit a grey con for 650 ish damage with the last baseline bolt, but on a level 50 mage it would do sth like 150-250 damage.

 

[katt!]

Originally posted by censi
no

why bother posting info that is almost useless.

 

[old.Akirai]

bah just play the game will you

 

[Novamir]

YES ALL PLAY THE GAME AND OBEY SHARPCHEATZE AND DONT POST ON FORUMS FFS

 

[old.Tdaer]

First off !! Rangers speccing melee sucks !! - But if this is the way your feel youre adding value to a group, then so be it .

Second point: differences between speccing 17 ~ 50 bow is HUGE !! - damage isn't the main factor here .. its weaponskill / chance to hit vs MAX damage output

at 17 bow spec, you will do 50% ~ 120% , where as 50 bow spec its 100% to 150% .

take for eg. you wil miss/fumble and have ALOT more inconsistent damage with 17 bow spec.

and conisdering not speccing bow high for rangers .. could be a total gimperizing .. so just reroll a BM rather.

 

[Cerverloc]

I agree with Novamir

 

[old.Odysseus]

Rangers speccing melee sucks

Oh yeah? Try being a thrust-scout, now that REALLY sux, even a mediocre bluecon lurik eldricth can outmelee that

Yeah yeah sure we have a slam (which is always purged).

Anyway, to the original post:
Cap damage is useful, but the variance is doubly so.
An example; last night i decided to fit my theurg up with some decent equipment, so i went to DF and bougth some (int, air-spec etc).
Result:
20-30% more average damage.
same cap.

my point: average damage is more interesting than the cap, as it says little about your true damage potential.

 

[censi]

Yes of course average damage on lvl 50 yellow cons is better info (but would take a fair while to work out)..... I didnt calculate all this it was on VN Boards, and its still semi useful so I whacked it here just in case.

I havent manage to Cap shoot a yellow con since 1.49

 

[thebinarysurfer]

With good buffs it isnt hard to shoot a cap shoot yellow for about 1000 damage i find - max bow spec with almost +10 from bonuses. I know another level 50 ranger on pryd hib who has autotrained bow - he considers it a good run if he kills a yellow mage in 5 shots....I consider it bloody dreadful if they aren't eating dirt after the second....

Btw anyone know if heavy recurves wil up the anty on damage enuff to start smashing bladeturns on a regular basis? Have heard rumors it does but not sure if they're true - that would be nice - even if they will be slow as hell.

 

[Tranquil-]

They don't..

 

[censi]

A good mage take 3-4 arrows to kill.

I usually use normal recurse....

First shot pops bubble. and 3 to kill ( i have about 57-59 RB)

Weak mages drop in 3. 1 to pop. 2 to kill....

Unbubbled weak mages I usually always 1 shot.

 

[old.Odysseus]

3 shots from my bow = dead caster

luriks and kobbies can sometimes be done in 2 (rare)

this assumes 1 self bt, no pbt, no stacked pbt, he isnt fast enuf to qc nearsight, i dont fumble, i dont miss, i dont get steamrolled by a random assassin and his 1-2 partners.
note also that this is without buffs. the 2-shot kills would happen more frequently with a buffbot i suspect.

 

[Novamir]

kobies are quite ard ya know

its those elves who drop like a sack o shit !

 

[censi]

nah it depends on the caster....

if a caster has 29% slash (or 26 cap cant remeber) capped con and capped hp (around 1200 hp) it will take 4 arrows.

Granted most casters have no where near capped con or HP and low slash resist.

I use 99% recurse. with 58ish RB.

what do you use?

and just out of curiousty whats your unbuffed str con dex quick and HP.

I am close to 1300 hp now unbuffed. not bad for a ekkle luri... stil need one or 2 more items though...

 

[Aussie-]

nerf +hp on ranger epic

 

[thebinarysurfer]

better than me cens - about 1100 unbuffed here. But i'm an elf. 'Nuff said....And btw 2 shots with no bladeturn - obviously it takes one to get the bt down.

 

[thebinarysurfer]

erm...other stuff - 100 con, 230 dex, 126 str and think quick is around 180. 58+9rb and use 99% merbos greatbow. doh - too late for brain to function

 

[thebinarysurfer]

sighs..see what i mean - meant 50+9

 

[censi]

Ranger epic is pretty duff.... capping hp and con is pretty easy but its balancing the resists thats the challeging part.

(the body armour blows...)

 

[old.Mitsu]

If all you do with your lvl 50 ranger is killing annoying Luchradens then by all means autotrain bow.

But if you want to kill people...