Bonedancers ... is it actually possible to kill them solo ?

[lofff]

Originally posted by Dook_Pug
BD being overpowered. (If they are).

really must b a damn boring class, another 1 button class.. But its overpowered.. give it a 10sec timer and mb..

 

[old.Belorfyn]

Originally posted by old.Downanael
I did have BD wit hmyself and trust me,one tank can go but 4 never. You need to use tactic PA healer pet's and they should die by it,then kill last one and head for BD.That lifetap not exatly power friendly either

Tactic ? Why do you think the infils were buffed

 

[eynar]

Originally posted by constanze
a mage class cannot be killed by any melee class its very balanced

and next patch pets cant be mezzed...

my question is what happens if a bd hits rr8 he kills 3-4 melee chars solo??

From which patch notes did you get this then? Afaik it's only theurgist pets which can't be mezzed or rooted, stop hijacking potential Mid/Hib cries for Alb nerfs ffs, we deserve them!!! :hat:

 

[opoc]

Re: Re: Bonedancers ... is it actually possible to kill them solo ?

Originally posted by dozigden
As you said he was in a group of mids - and probably was recieving outside healing, a BD without pets is a dead BD.

Lifedrain cannot keep up with any tank/hybrid without the pets, it takes the combination of the 2. The whole fight with BDs is about neutralising the pets. You said your self it wasnt a solo fight.

In Thidranki the lifedrain keep[s up with infs

 

[dozigden]

Re: Re: Re: Bonedancers ... is it actually possible to kill them solo ?

Originally posted by opoc
In Thidranki the lifedrain keep[s up with infs

Many classes perform differently in Thid, for instance thanes are excellent there...

Balance issues should imo be aimed at end-game rvr, thid is an amusing (sometimes) diversion, but ultimately irrelevant to balance arguements.

Too many people call for BD nerfs from experiences in Thid, personally my BD spent 15mins in thid, the place just doesnt float my boat.

 

[Roo Stercogburn]

Don't know what the problem is, I manage to kill my bonedancer solo all the time

 

[Old Nicodemus]

Actually Roo.. I thought your pets killed your Bonedancer. Why try and smack a BD when his pets will eventually aggro the entire zone and get him killed anyway?

 

[Damon_D]

Originally posted by lofff
really must b a damn boring class, another 1 button class.. But its overpowered.. give it a 10sec timer and mb..

Nope give it a baseline stun and a pbaoe I say...nahh he might be able to kill a chanter we cant have that...

 

[old.ondor]

hm pala with 50 slash hits like a gimp?

then what about thanes and skalds ?

 

[Groborthir]

Why should you be able to solo a BD? He isn't solo, he's a group of 5 (at level 50) himself.

I've got one thing to say: I r staff j00!

 

[Aldrian]

Originally posted by Groborthir
Why should you be able to solo a BD? He isn't solo, he's a group of 5 (at level 50) himself.

Why should one player be allowed to play as a grp of 5 ?

Solo is solo. In Bd's case solo is a grp of 5 ?

 

[Glacier]

Bring a Ment for STT [Serving The Tether, turns players pets against him.]
OR disease him, wich atleast 2 classes from each realm has i think..bonehealers will do crap heals with disease..

but i do agree the timer for instant lifedrain should be more than 5 (4?) secs.. more like 10 or 15

 

[Lanfaer]

so mids get a class that buffed infils can't take 2on1 ... and everyone's crying nerf? just use tactics instead you twats, one kills the commander and the other stuns BD, easy does it .. but then again, those same infils were buffed for a reason, they can't kill shite without them since tactics aint a part of their vocabulary?

 

[thorungla]

Just ignore all the whine threads - BD'ers are uber in BG1 but not at lvl 50. Many classes can and have killed mine, even lone assasins have very little problem, more often than not im dead b4 first stun wears off. (I have all MP armour etc and all stats and resists maxed courtesy of SC). Sure not had a tank kill me 1v1, but guess what, I reckon ya just gonna have to accept it. As for soloing several tanks at once, no way in hell would LT and heals keep up with it and I'd run out of power to kill before the second tank died.

Its always the same. The good players figure out what can and cant be done and get on with the game. The rest whine.

Good luck, have fun, enjoy.

 

[constanze]

the word "balance" is in my opinion the fact that every class could kill any other class solo

its just a bit lame that palas dont got the chance
most melee classes have extremly probs to kill a bd solo
if i miss pa i am dead

in other words you need much skills to kill a bd solo
but you need less skills to kill any melee class as a bd

thats not a whine only a small balance prob

 

[Krissy]

basicly.

If u dont have ae mez on either a qcast or u dont get to the BD without it seeing u and mezing (mincer) it will own u silly, Melee classes dont have a chance, the instant lifetap is just LOL, its not posible to run from them as they sprint (being casters dont use end for anything when the pets do the work and meleers do) so they end up with more end than u, speed buffs wont kick in as they interupt them, u scratch them and the pet will heal the caster even thou u haev not taken them below 50% hp, no other pet does this so kinda lol again.

I have a BG mincer and Bonedancers are just a joke, ppl bitch at necros but bonedancers will still be to uber next patch

DOWN WITH THE TANK MAGE!!!!!

 

[ImLestat]

Originally posted by constanze
the word "balance" is in my opinion the fact that every class could kill any other class solo

I once whined that I had no chance to beat a minstrel 1 on 1 with my thane. What do you think the albs answers were? "This game is centered around groups, not solo fights.", "Cry more n00b!!", "No minstrel is not overpowered, it's just a well balanced class." I'd now like to throw these quotes back in your faces albs, just replace minstrel with bonedancer.

 

[Bigade]

Originally posted by datruth
Pallies hit like wet fish
DD+DD- mezz DD+DD stun melee - can usually kill the BD

yea thats all great and all, but BD 'normally' don't run solo and has pets with him/her, so what are you gonna do about the commander chain slapping you in the face and the 3 healer pets healing the bd ?

 

[Lanfaer]

Originally posted by constanze
the word "balance" is in my opinion the fact that every class could kill any other class solo

yeah guess that's why healers rock in melee, don't you just hate it when they oneshot you?!

balance in the game comes from several players grouping together and making up for eachothers flaws, balance does not come from each char being able to kill everyother char ingame.

 

[Gold-i2]

I remember a time in DF, was teamed with a BD (last bd I teamed with, the 2 times earlier ended pretty much the same way this story did):

Doing Lilly's.


2 pet and me fight Lilly, I see 3rd pet going straight for another Lilly. "Ehum...dude"

I watch in amazement as the pet manage to aggro a Lilly, then another, then another. This was late in the day, and the place was uncamped. So, the entire wall (7-8) Lilly's went for the 3rd pet. Needless to say, the pet died pretty fast...I ran. I died on the way up, aggroed by pretty much...everything...

The BD: "wtf happened?"

The ...moron...didn't even know what his 3rd pet was doing. Clearly disturbing.

So, best way to kill a BD? Leave them alone, they will take care of it themselves.

Or sneak up to them and do a PA at early levels and get lucky.

 

[Derric]

Hehehe,you know..I think I heard someone say that it takes skill to play a bonedancer..hrhrhrhr

 

[Groborthir]

Takes about the same amount of skill as it takes to play any other non-pbaoe caster.

 

[Derric]

I'm sure it can be tricky..like..what if the button you press get stuck?

 

[Felakin]

Well I have a level 34 BD and I sure have fun with him. It is not as easy to play the BD as it seems, to kill someone i do root (if time) send my pets in and use lifedrain and my DOT's. And when the target is at 40% life i go in and melee myself! i get decent heals from my healer pet so i can melee some, not tanks but casters and some other classes! Dont have so much experience of PvP yet though. I did pass BG 1 and 2 fast! Might take a visit to BG 3 though! And the BD being over powered, hmm cant agree with that i die easy to a tank. Though the player have to use some tactics to get to me And at level 50 i think i will make a decent PvP char, think that players will hate BD's even more when we have a few high levels in RvR! BD's in a keep take or defence will rock! And even if they would nerf the BD it does not matter BD's are and will always be a well balanced character, it all depends on the person in control! Thats my humble 2 cents!

 

[Dook_Pug]

Originally posted by Groborthir
Takes about the same amount of skill as it takes to play any other non-pbaoe caster.

Ha! Keep telling yourself that.

I played a 50 BD the other day, and previously played a L50 'non PBAoE' Caster for almost a year and I'm sorry to say, there's almost NO skill involved in playing one in comparison to a Runemaster.

 

[Saddo]

A class that those infils dont have 100% chance to kill solo! Outrageous!

Yes, BD:s are good solo. But there it ends. There's no use whatsoever for bd:s in grouped rvr. OK, that 9% abs buff might be nice, but a supp RM or another seer is way better.

So, rather compare em to other solo classes, and it becomes quite clear that stealthers still got the upper hand, being able to pick their fights.

And yes, guess theyre quite simple to play. Seems utterly boring :]

 

[Groborthir]

Originally posted by Derric
I'm sure it can be tricky..like..what if the button you press get stuck?

Yeah. The same thing might happen to any wizzy, runemaster and eldritch.

Unless you come up with some serious arguments as to what buttons or play styles a BD doesn't use as opposed to any other caster, then shut up about a class you clearly have no experience with except maybe that you have been completely whooped by one, and if this is the case: Cry more, n00b!

 

[Nonnier]

ok, BDs may be uber in rvr, but the insta is the only thing that keeps us alive when u start tanking in pve.

healer pets are so unreliable its funny, i would never trust them to keep me alive.

turning the insta into a 15 secs would nerf it beyond belief.

if u want to kill a BD, bolt him or the commander, ignore the healer pets.

(i would bolt the commander, seeing as the BD has a blade turn)

with the commander dead, the BD is as good as gone.

But normally, if i was a alb/hib i wouldn't even try and solo a BD, they are a walking grp of lowbies, so treat them like it.

 

[mid-sinister]

Simply, dont try to dispose of a bonedancer by yourself unless you see a chance to kill his commander pet, or the bonedancer himself very quickly.

 

[Derric]

A class that doesn't have to do anything but standing still scratching it's ass and pressing one button while you desperately do 2000+ damage to it is a silly class,but I guess mids needed that class to finally feel overpowered about something since every other class apparently is gimped to hell and back.