Bonedancers in BG 20-24: your impression?

[kameh]

I keep being told how overpowered Bonedancers are but I'm hoping not to open up that can of worms with this question:

Mids, Hibs and Albs what did you think of playing/fighting them in BG 20-24?

My impression of playing one was that 1 on 1 I stood a good chance against any class that didn't have a DOT or Mez. I have to admit to prefering my Necromancer in BG over my Bonedancer simply because I'd survive more often and rarely need to rest for power. The lifetap is good but gets resisted a lot and I spent more time using my alternative spells like DOT because of it's insane power usage.

I think overall for a soloing, unbuffed player it was a very easy class to play and I'd agree that it is overpowered. There were occasions where I'd be fighting 3-4 people and kill 2 before they got me simply because the players didn't take me out quickly enough. Remember in 20-24 BG the Bonedancer only has 1 heal pet, the pets are usually set on passive meaning that you can ignore the commander, get someone to DOT or stun the pet and get whacking on the BD. Most people seem to stand there confused, not sure what to hit until I'm using my pathetic staffing skills or quickcasting a DOT on them. Get a grip, hit something, anything and if your a mage, nuke the BDs arse off!

It's an odd class to play and an extremely poor one to solo XP with (compared to necro). In the end you have a class that has no reason for people to group it, but an insanely bad reputation which isn't completely justified. I think that's down to the lifetap, I'd gladly see it taken away if they could give us a "group" spell instead.

Please discuss this and don't turn it into another BW whine, both BDs and Necro's need tweaking and from playing both I think that Necro's need taken down a peg in PvE and boosted in RvR. BD's are the opposite, needing more PvE love and thier solo RvR strength turned into group usefulness. I also hope Mythic realise that both classes only really have 1 useful spell line and 2 "iffy ones" at best.

Have fun in BG 20-24, I enjoyed myself even if I did die more than I killed

/salute Albs
(never saw any Hibs)

P.S. good mood since I just hit 800 Tailoring on Dooley

 

[VodkaFairy]

i 2 shot bd's with my heroine, not overpowered to me

 

[Ekydus]

Necromancers > Bonedancers.

Cue the evil laugh!

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

 

[Conchabar]

ive pld both enjoyed both when i pld my necro there was only 1 bd i ever saw in bg so cant say much about that.. accept when i pld my necro i pwned alot of ppl.. and had that kind of imortal effect more then when i pld my bd ..

lol yer manaa hardly a problem when i pld my necro once or twice but with a bd u end up staffing instead of bothering to lt i spent alot of my time burning manaa potions and mcl

 

[Goryk]

Buffed necro's even in the bg are a pain, especially with moronic realm mates who stick to the shade waiting for you to kill the pet. Then as your about to die, you mezz the pet and start to run, only for your timely realm mates to realise no one is now killing the pet, so they break the mezz immediately and get you killed

Yep, someone got owned today

I've not had too many probs with bd's... With my albs on pryd and former hibbies here I think I've killed them much more than I've died to them. Mainly because most think they are so godlike, they don't need decent armour or gear, and their overpoweredness is often balanced out by their total lack of skill . I'd aemezz them with my sorc, then get 3 nukes in before they'd even managed to locate me and lifetap quite often Think /face is a little alien to most of them... Still meeting a decent one is harsh. Their insta does as much damage as my castable lifetap on my sorc (granted mid had 3 power relics) and it returns almost 100% hp compared to 60% of mine Reduce their range on it to 500ish like encro's and I'd be happy with them..

 

[Flimgoblin]

I've seen a bonedancer take down 3 out of 6 people attacking it (admittedly they weren't the most organised and there wasn't any mezzing going on) in bg3

not sure what it's like in bg1 though - but that lifetap is stupid

 

[old.job]

Sweet, I killed a BD last night in Thid, just sent my underhill on him and ran like hell

Those goddam skelly's chased me for miles, they hit me for 1/2 my health, but they don't seem to have a stun, so I got away.

 

[Conchabar]

Originally posted by old.job
Sweet, I killed a BD last night in Thid, just sent my underhill on him and ran like hell

Those goddam skelly's chased me for miles, they hit me for 1/2 my health, but they don't seem to have a stun, so I got away.

lol if u ran id of killed the pet who was the bd?

 

[old.job]

Thats what I thought, he did chase me though with the pet on his back, but my pet is very strong, full ench spec, or maybe he was just a noob, can't remember his name, but he had just run out of MK.

My little undy destroys Minstrels with his +5 dmg add

 

[Conchabar]

Originally posted by old.job
My little undy destroys Minstrels with his +5 dmg add

hehe nice wanna duel?

 

[tuckk]

Well a BD is insane in BGs. A little bit too insane tbh. Although look at the conditions. All enemies are equal rr to you. No advantage or disadvantage from this point of view. What this also brings is the lack of determination, purge, MoC, IP, MoPain, WP etc. What you get is a fight practically without RAs, and with no RR difference. This won't happen in end-game RvR. If you're speaking purely about BGs I personally felt they are a little too powerfull perhaps. The ones who whine about BDs being overpowered in end game RvR are 95% stealthers who jumped a BD and got killed... I mean stealthers can't die to... a cloth wearer can they?

Cheers

 

[Sable]

Two cents from a hib point of view ...

In Thid, both my shade and my valewalker (solo, unbuffed) beat the crap out of solo bonedancers -- as long as I saw them first. Overpowered? Not if the suckiest assassin class in the game can two-shot a yellow-con. (In Caledonia, though, with multiple heal pets ... 2 bd's wiped 4 hibs pretty regularly, as we almost never had a healer or decent cc).

Necros were pushovers to kill, but a pain in every other respect. I lag horridly in large fights, so I tend to use autotarget a lot; shade mode is a pain there, as you get a target you can't hit. And you gotta love the guys that leave their pet in the keep and go scout around without it. Granted, they can't do damage, but they can still ruin a perfectly good ambush. Not cheating, I 'spose, as the pet could technically be hit if you could reach it ... but still bloody irritating.

 

[Tasans]

Dunno i spent too much time dead by the stealth zerglins to have any impressions from the class. It was easy at pve tho

 

[rookiescot]

For me all classes seem to have their nemisis. Scouts seem to whale on BD's with no problem. Bd's whale on casters. Its odd though that the nemisis of most classes ...the stealther ..... dont seem to be a problem to the BD. I think this adds a bit of variety to BG to be honest.
Fair comment that perhaps the 4 second insta lifetap could do with being a shorter range but hey at the end of the day if a Sorc meets a BD ......theres only one winner. (Sorry I dont have a great depth of knowledge about Hibernia but I suspect a Chanter will get the better of a BD most times).
My point is that yeah a BD may seem overpowered to the particular class you play but there are other classes out there who eat em alive.
God knows my Merc and Wiz been reemed large by BD's. But to others they dont seem that much of a problem.
And to my Cabalist ..... pfft bring it

 

[o_O]

Some BDs are overpowered, some dont spec supp....

 

[Khalen]

Kill commander and watch em run for their life

 

[kameh]

I think most of the problems that people have taking the bonedancer down are that they don't know how to fight them or panic because they've now got a choice of 3 or more targets to choose from.

My BD never died 1 on 1 with any assassin classes, the only times he did die to them was when he was already fighting, hurt and they jumped on him. Oh and of course when there was a group of 3+ stealthers on him at once..

Got to admit though I don't think they've overpowered, good against some classes yes and poor against others. Just like every class should be.

 

[Conchabar]

have u fought against the assassins with high body resists in bg yet?

 

[kameh]

I don't think so since they'd no doubt walk all over me. I don't usually allow them to get a crit style off, I move about too much for them and only rest in groups or back at MTK. I don't purposely go out looking for fights with assassins, far more fun putting DOTs onto enemy casters (now I know the sick amusement cabbies get )

 

[ethiraseth]

nothing is more fun in the bg's than playing a matter cabalist (or another aoe dot class). its sooo cool to see your screen fill up with damage spams

 

[Denisée]

Originally posted by VodkaFairy
i 2 shot bd's with my heroine, not overpowered to me

That is mean =(

I did have the free gear on!

 

[Anu]

Full void spec eld at lvl 24 with +5 in void to reduce varience (I think) I can 2 shot bd's and wizzies

 

[barevoose]

u sure u cant 1-shot? remember 1-shotting alot of yellow casters in bg even b4 i had my sc

 

[Notirt]

My unbuffed infi never had any problems with any BD´s in thid
One PA and the DoT poison did the rest

 

[Telamon]

The hardest part ..

.. is finally targetting the guy

.. lifetap's pretty useful for interrupts .. think they are kinda nice in BG .. never played one .. got played by 4 (me and the other 7 people who ran solo in a bunch )

 

[Prat]

a lone bonedancer is just free RP to any ranged class that sees it 1st a group of bonedancers well theres a problem

 

[lpep]

ok played lvl 24 boney in thid today,carried pom/power pots in case needed etc.....

jumped almost straight away by inf at mtk,he hit me a couple times and ran pets on attack ...only one outcome

scout attacked closer to mmb he was close enough to me so i could use lifetap,pets sent,spammed life tap and he was kinda dead fast even though an inf popped close to the end he died as well....


full supp specced fotm troll boney with maxed melee resists on sc armour none of the infs i have come across in thid have yet used pa ,unsure why as thats probably the only chance they got without have a couple m8's along with em......

boney is extremely easy to exp at this lvl but very slow going and boring... fotm? yes.......fun in bg? yes mainly cos ure almost always going to win 1 on 1

at higher lvl's i cant honestly say,but the couple lvl 50's in my guild that r boneys seem to do ok,but they r a long way off being as powerfull as a necro thats buffed up at 50.....i certainly have never sneeked up on a lvl 50 necro and 1 shotted him thats for sure...

 

[Conchabar]

heh u havent fought against the zergs of infils yet

 

[pinball]

BD=Squishy teddybears
if they dont have bt on down in 1 shot otherwise ill just have 2 do 2 shots