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[old.Explosive23]

Originally posted by Bodhi
I hope that Nazi guy gets elected in France. We need an excuse to bomb the shit out of the rancid frog eating bastards.

What is your problem? What's wrong with the French? Loser.

 

[Embattle]

If he gets in I say lets bloke up the Euro Tunnel

 

[Wazzerphuk]

Originally posted by Explosive23
What's wrong with the French?

They're French.

 

[Stazbumpa]

Originally posted by Embattle
If he gets in I say lets block up the Euro Tunnel

Like the Old Gits did in Harry Enfield



And Wazz does have a point.

 

[Wazzerphuk]

Would anyone like to see my point?

 

[Durzel]

 

[mr.Blacky]

Originally posted by stazbumpa


My point is that nobody had an idea of what he was about until AFTER he got to power. Typical politician, they say one thing and then change their minds once their in office.

It was not that german people didn't know, they didn't want to know. His manifest was already written.

 

[caLLous]

Originally posted by Explosive23


What is your problem? What's wrong with the French? Loser.

OMG. Explosive23 made a post that not only didn't contain any lol's, it also had something to do with the current thread! :/

 

[old.Kez]

Originally posted by caLLous
OMG. Explosive23 made a post that not only didn't contain any lol's, it also had something to do with the current thread! :/

And also shows his twattish ignorance!

(hurray!)

 

[Stazbumpa]

Originally posted by Mr.Blackshirt

It was not that german people didn't know, they didn't want to know. His manifest was already written.

I agree that most people knew he was bad news, but what I'm trying to say is that I dont think the full story was known and what exactly he was capable of until after he got rid of any and all opposition and started sticking Jewish people in the ghetto's.

I don't think any Germans though he would lead them into war, partly because he didn't think Britain would declare war either. The short version of what I'm saying is that Le Pen may sound like he means one thing, but if he gets his grubby hands on power, then expect him to NOT keep any promises he might have made in order to get there.

 

[stu]

Originally posted by stazbumpa
Hitler was probably a reasonable bloke until he got to power. Then look what happened. Do you honestly fucking think that Le Pen and his fellow shit heads will stick to what they say? Fucking read some history and learn a few things.

France will get what they deserve, they vote in Hilter MK II then its their own fucking stupid fault. My only worry is that he drags the rest of us down with him. The idea of a fucking Nazi led country being 25 miles from the English coast is not reassuring.

Obviously completely ignoring almost every single thing I wrote...

Hitler was most definitely never a reasonable bloke. However, and this may come as a shock to you, he was actually not the worst of them. Some of the others eg Himmler and Eichmann made Hitler look like a primary school teacher. Hitler was always a facist, he always stood for facism - the targeting of the jews in particular was actually started by Heydrich, Hess and Bormann, but Hitler always believed in his 'master race'. How do I know this? Well I have "fucking read some history" as you so bluntly put it, specifically having studied the rise and fall of the Third Reich for two years.

Le Pen is not a facist by any means, he's ultra-right wing, true, but saying he'll suddenly turn into Hitler when he gets in power is about as ridiculous as suggesting Chirac will suddenly turn into Stalin.

All of which is in part irrelevant. France won't "get what they deserve". He won't get elected for the very reasons I already stated, which you seem to have completely glossed over - Le Pen is a protest vote for the vast majority of French people. Because of the way the sequential voting system works, they know it's a 'safe' protest in the first round, because he still has to make it through the second - if there was even the slightest chance that Le Pen could actually get elected based on the first round votes, then 80% of people wouldn't have voted for him. How do I know this? Because I've studied french history and politics.

Maybe *you* should "fucking read some history", or at the very least look into the background of the two countries and their political systems before you start making such ridiculous comparisons.

 

[Durzel]

Not to mention Amon Goeth, whose actions were widely charted

 

[Stazbumpa]

Well fucking done on your 2 year stint on the Third fucking Reich. You also seem to be missing my point, which I will now state for you in what I hope will be fairly clear terms.

Ready?

I know as well as you do that Le Pen has no serious chance of getting into power, as you say its a protest vote, but be that as it may, its a very fucking wrong protest vote. What I am saying is that just suppose he does get into power, whats to stop him from going just a little bit beserk on the nationlism thing and before you know it every person who is not white and is living in France is either living in fear or is actually being deported.
The people that gave him the number 2 position in these elections may be middle France, as it where, and some of them are even non-white too, but where do you think the core of his support comes from? No neo-nazis in France at all?

I am not saying he will turn into Hitler, that would be quite a feat by any means, but at heart he has the same basic ideals and giving someone like that even a bit of power may be enough kick start something quite nasty. We all know politicians of every kind lie through their fucking teeth, so what the hell is there that makes him different?

Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.



I'm done here.

 

[stu]

Originally posted by stazbumpa
What I am saying is that just suppose he does get into power, whats to stop him from going just a little bit beserk on the nationlism thing and before you know it every person who is not white and is living in France is either living in fear or is actually being deported.

We live in a very different world to 1937. If you look back less than a year you'll see what happened in Austria when they elected an ultra-right wing candidate - international pressure forced him to resign within days. As for deporting everyone not white - like I said before, Le Pen's policies are about nationalism. NOT racism. His party openly welcomes and supports people of any colour, religion, belief, etc, as long as they are French. A political party is not just one man - Le Pen couldn't (theoretically) just wander into the Cabinet one day and say "I know, let's get rid of all the black, arabs, jews, asians, etc" and snap his fingers - because that's not what his party believes in. It's interesting to note that a fairly substantial element of his public speakers have non-white heritage - whether this could be discounted as mere electioneering or not is largely irrelevant, it demonstrates that I doubt the vast majority of his party would simply lay down if he decided to "go beserk" as you put it.

The people that gave him the number 2 position in these elections may be middle France, as it where, and some of them are even non-white too, but where do you think the core of his support comes from? No neo-nazis in France at all?

I'm sure there are. A lot of the ultra-right wing voted for Thatcher during the 80s as well. Strangely enough though, despite being more right wing than Le Pen in several policies, Maggie didn't suddenly start putting people into concentration camps. The fact that a small core of fanatics might support someone doesn't turn that person into them.

I am not saying he will turn into Hitler, that would be quite a feat by any means, but at heart he has the same basic ideals and giving someone like that even a bit of power may be enough kick start something quite nasty. We all know politicians of every kind lie through their fucking teeth, so what the hell is there that makes him different?

Like I said, it's about as accurate as saying Tony's going to go Commie. Yes, Le Pen is a 'far right' candidate - however suggesting the step from 'far right' to 'nazi' is a small one is farcical. The problem of referring to politics as 'left' and 'right' is that it's an oversimplification - it means that at one end of the scale we have Hitler, and at the other end of the scale, Stalin - both of whom, as we all know, were about genocide, not politics. Even someone like Haider (much further to the 'right' than Le Pen) is so far removed from Hitler and the nazis its not accurate to put them on the same page.

The problem I have with your argument is on the one hand you rely on the "all politicians are liars, who knows what they'll do when they get into office" - which is fair enough if that's what you believe. But then you don't apply that argument across the board. There's no actual reason why Le Pen should be trusted to stick to his policies any more or any less than any other political candidate, party, or power - except for the fact that you don't like them. Which is a totally subjective rather than objective point.

 

[Xavier]

Originally posted by Durzel
BNP secured the 3rd seat at Newbury byelections.

If that wasn't scary enough in itself, you should've heard the commentary that followed. "White" this, "white" that... Whilst I disagree with certain things the Government does re: asylum seekers, ethnic minorities, etc (and the fact that it seems all of the undercover programmes on tax dodgers and the like always seem to be Asian -- whoa, racist generalisation there) - this has got to spell trouble.

He actually said that their objective was an entirely white Britain.

Scary.

actually it was burnley mate, oop norf as opposed to newbury which is dahn sarf!

 

[Bym]

Originally posted by Durzel
BNP secured the 3rd seat at Newbury byelections.

Shows how much attention you have paid to the issue, it was Burnley actually (my home town rather embarrassingly...and the ward that I used to vote in), where race riots took place this time last year, just at the time I moved down south.

Where on earth did you get Newbury from?

 

[(Shovel)]

This is a problem (duh!) that I'd propose be fixed by compulsory voting.

If people want to register a protest in this country, they either don't vote (useful..) or vote for extremists. A compulsory voting system would provide a "None of the above" option on the ballot, allowing people to protest without destroying their country.

Apathy in Britain is aparently caused by people being disaffected by political parties (leading to the oft mentioned and plain wrong accusation that 'they are all the same'). People voice this opinion by.. not voting. Or, to put it another way, they don't voice that opinion.
They then get mixed up with the "I don't give a shits" who also have much to answer for.

Compulsory voting, threaten people's income so they get up for it, and once and for all find out whether people are really disaffected or just ignorant.

Anyone?

 

[Daffeh]

Originally posted by Durzel

 

[old.D0LLySh33p]

Everyone's allowed free thought.

Thing is where do you draw the line on what you 'can' think about and what you 'can't'.

(I hope Le Pen dies horribly by the way and that the BNP really are ignorant fools).

 

[old.Kez]

Don't encourage him, Daf.

 

[bodhi]

I find this thread personally insulting. And racist. And homphobic. I feel it should be deleted before any impressionable young kids see it.

 

[MYstIC G]

Originally posted by Shovel
This is a problem (duh!) that I'd propose be fixed by compulsory voting.

No thx, afaic on the whole BNP thing all you can say is the people up there have spoken, and look what they've bloody done (no i don't agree with it before anybody makes that crack). I'd rather the ignorant out there stayed that way & had fa to do with anything than were forced into a scenario where they could allow there biggoted & hateful views to affect our entire country.

 

[Sar]

Originally posted by Bodhi
I find this thread personally insulting. And racist. And homphobic. I feel it should be deleted before any impressionable young kids see it.

ROFL

If you had kids they'd be in a far worse position already

 

[Perplex]

 

[old.Kez]

Now thats a great image.

 

[Testin da Cable]

LOL


btw Perp, since I'm partially euro I must react:

 

[Perplex]

Heh, presumptuous! I may have been talking about the currency!































(I wasn't tho!)

 

[Testin da Cable]

I know

 

[old.Kez]

That ginger kid almost looks real.

 

[Skyler]

Originally posted by Durzel

lol

that looks w00t