Bit-torrent being attacked?

[Ormorof]

bbc linky

 

[Milne]

Pfft....dumbass rich people whining cos they can't make an extra couple o' quid.

 

[Xplo]

Piracy will never be stopped, no matter how hard they try

 

[Maular]

Piracy will never be stopped, no matter how hard they try

U mean mean how hard "WE" try ofc

 

[Morchaoron]

yoooooww hoooowww hooooww hooooow a pirates life for me!

 

[harebear]

Yahar. Wheres my monkey?

 

[Morchaoron]

btw, they are currently creating a application which will find the bittorrent links for you so it will not have to be linked on sites anymore ;p

they will never be able to stop piracy, makes we wonder why they are still trying...

 

[yaruar]

Piracy will never be stopped, no matter how hard they try

/me strokes the 3 terabytes of music he is currently copying and salivates over the 10+ terabytes on it's way over the next couple of months..

my music server owns you all...

 

[Archeon]

Yeah like we've never seen this before, maybe if they didn't have the pay all those lawyers the 'crippling' decline in profit to the Music Industry wouldn't be so bad?

Then again I suppose for all the 'rappers' and 'artists' in the music industry, any excuse is better than the harsh reality that they just plain suck.

 

[gunner440]

eh, 50 cent is great

he was shot 9 times

 

[Danya]

they will never be able to stop piracy, makes we wonder why they are still trying...

Cos if they don't at least try it gets even worse.

 

[soze]

According to the bbc the way piracy is growing within ten years film companies will not bother making films (on the bright side no more Van Helsig shite :kissit: ), and the only new music will be from people who love it and don’t want to make money (plus side no more Girls Aloud!!! :touch: )

Point me at the torrents!

 

[Archeon]

eh, 50 cent is great

he was shot 9 times

ROFL! Yeah i've seen that quote, what was the other one?

"I was shot in the face once, luckily I only chipped my tooth"

 

[old.Whoodoo]

/me strokes the 3 terabytes of music he is currently copying and salivates over the 10+ terabytes on it's way over the next couple of months..

my music server owns you all...

GIFV FTP!

Makes me laff that its people like Madonna, Eminem etc who live in $20mil houses saying "Stop pirating, we are skint!!" yeah....right.

CD prices havnt changed much since they came out, but the price of the media is now 0.01 times its original cost.

All too often I buy an album to find 3 decent tracks and 10 total shite they turned out in 10 minutes to fill it up. Theres few exceptions, but if its worth listening to, ill buy it. However, reading about the european courts bollocking Apple for the ITunes prices, do you blame us in the UK at all:

Canada: 48p per track
US: 57p
Germany and France: 68p
UK: 86p

Yet the music licences cost exactly the same in all countries. Go figure.

As for films, paying someone £50mil for 1.5 hours of inane drivel they call acting is the problem, again, pay these actors sensible money and lower the costs to the viewer.

 

[Chesnox]

The real problem is that the music and film industries are still living it up likes in 1985 and CDs are still new technology. Neither of them have successfully adapted to digital distribution, or a modern technological society.

The film industry closing down various sites, and the music industry killing Napster off a few years ago are both cases in point. Instead of embracing technology, they stifle it. Unfortunately, Pandoras Box is open, and anything they do will just mean people who see nothing fundamentally wrong with sharing films and music for free will develop new systems to make that happen. Torrent was (imho at least) written as a reaction to the Kazaa style p2p applications which were easily demolished by the RIAA etc..Now torrents are on the hitlist it won't take long for the sharing community to develop new ways to share.

Ultimately, the only way to stop it is to offer digital downloads straight to a customers PC, at a reasonable cost. Unfortunately both indistries consider the right to distribute media as their absolute right. Basically, the way both indistries are organised are totally incompatible with a society where most people who download music illegally store their files on hard disks, have no real interest in buying CDs and probably rarely even burn their collections to CD (CD is sooooooo 80s isn't it? ;p).

iTunes and various others have tried to fix this, but even at $1 per track, you are talking about a huge amount of money to build a music collection that is of modern proportions (i.e. when you could only buy music from shops on vinyl or CD, most people music collections were small). With modern PCs people can easily afford to store and download (via broadband) absolutely massive collections. Because of this, and the pricing systems the industries insist on, piracy will flourish.

 

[Sun_Tzu]

Yet another step by the industries that'll do...absolutely nothing (in their favor). It seems like every time people start throwing around lawsuits, another filesharing system comes around (or an adaptation) which is better than the old system.

Oh well...good for me, bad for them.

 

[Driwen]

According to the bbc the way piracy is growing within ten years film companies will not bother making films (on the bright side no more Van Helsig shite :kissit: ), and the only new music will be from people who love it and don’t want to make money (plus side no more Girls Aloud!!! :touch: )

Point me at the torrents!

I dont really believe that though, because there are still movies that are a great success. Off course the bad/generic movies might not be a success anymore, which imo isnt that bad.

And I wonder if Itunes only pays the artists or the company representing them aswell. It could probably be alot cheaper, if it was just the artist who gets paid and the studio gets some money for recording the tune(but not a cut of the selling).
And I have heard that the quality of Itunes isnt that great either and if it is like that making the quality to normal would result in more people using it (off course it would also result in less people actually buying CD's from a shop).

I dont really believe in the owno piracy is killing the cd/movie industry, you could make a point that piracy is killing the movie rental business. However thats another matter and wont effect wether movies are made or not.

 

[Ballard]

The music industry has actually been very succesful in clamping down on piracy. Internet piracy is now a fraction of what it was in the napster era. Many people are scared and the current crop of sharing technologies are not that easy to use. The domain of file sharing at the moment is largely composed of the more nerdy part of society. Music stores are packed to the brim whenever I go there with people literally forcing their money over the counter.

 

[Chesnox]

The music industry has actually been very succesful in clamping down on piracy. Internet piracy is now a fraction of what it was in the napster era. Many people are scared and the current crop of sharing technologies are not that easy to use. The domain of file sharing at the moment is largely composed of the more nerdy part of society. Music stores are packed to the brim whenever I go there with people literally forcing their money over the counter.

I can't believe that. In the napster era, most had modems as broadband wasn't an option. So although there may have been more people using Napster then compared to any other single file sharing system today, I believe there is much more volume now than there has ever been. (For example, in Napster days I was on 56k. Now I am on 1024k, soon to be 2048k. Back then dling 1 album from Napster was a mission, now I can do it in minutes.)

Certainly as far as the film industry is concerned, the problem is more acute now than ever. Their biggest problem is cheap DVD writers, and broadband. It has made the ability to mass produce dodgy DVDs on a home PC rather than a dedicated pirating factory. Go around the more seedy bootfairs in the UK and you'll see loads of dodgy DVDs (with colour printed cases, and even printed DVDs). All probably done on a £700 PC from PC World and a £19.99/month broadband connection. It used to be gangs in Hong Kong exporting the pirates to EU, now some guy down the end of your road is probably doing it.

Sorry, I just cannot believe that illiegal downloading and organised piracy is getting anything other than much, much worse.

 

[Ballard]

Yeah but you arent representitive of the general public. You are most likely downloading music that you wouldnt buy.. You never used to buy 100 albums a month did you? Napster hurt a lot because that 14 year old girl down the street was downloading her monthly album rather than buying it. And the speed of the connection has very little to do with that. It dont take long even on 56K to download that album you were gonna buy.

The volume may, in terms of kilobytes, be increasing but that does not mean the recording industry is losing more money becuase the actual number of pirates who would buy CD's if they didnt download them has droppped.

DVD's is a slightly different proposition. DVDs have in the space of a few years become one of the biggest moneyspinners and piracy of DVDs on a porportion basis to amount sold is far less compared to the piracy of VHS tapes sold just 5-10 years ago. Far more people buy DVD's than ever bought VHS. It is one of the most succesfull marketing campaigns in history. Movie studios are making a damn sight more than they used to. Every time I walk into someones living room they always seem to have a nice tower full to the brim with mostly legit DVDs. 5-10 years ago when you looked at someones VHS collection it was mostly copies.

 

[Hansmoleman]

Yeah but you arent representitive of the general public. You are most likely downloading music that you wouldnt buy.. You never used to buy 100 albums a month did you? Napster hurt a lot because that 14 year old girl down the street was downloading her monthly album rather than buying it. And the speed of the connection has very little to do with that. It dont take long even on 56K to download that album you were gonna buy.

this made me chuckle, you go download a full album at ok'ish quality on 5/6kbps download speed then tell me it isnt slow

 

[Ballard]

this made me chuckle, you go download a full album at ok'ish quality on 5/6kbps download speed then tell me it isnt slow

I used to do it all the time.. sure it doesnt downloand in a few minutes but its still only a few hours. Remember most people were doing it during the napster era, So i dont see your point?

The funny thing is now I am on uber broadband i dont download music anymore.

 

[Jayce]

These companies gather information on how much is downloaded, movies and music. This information is not very accurate and is usually a 'best guess' thing.

They then take that figure and work out how much each track/album/movie would cost to buy and present this figure as the ammount they lost due to 'piracy'. This figure is then used to calculate potential future losses and if xxx is lost per year more each year then it will take xx years before movies/music makes no money.

Bollox !! They purposefully and blatantly do not take into account the fact that most music downloaded is either by people who like it so much much that not only have they already bought it but they will probably buy and download all the different variations. Or buy people who wouldn't have bought it in the first place and only downloaded it to see what its like, if they like it a lot, most often they buy it.

The total number of people who do actually pirate and download it instead of buying it is quite small compared to the number who downloaded as well as buying it.

So the figures are bollox, the prediction is bollox and regardless of how much they think they have lost profits are still rising ..... wankers!

 

[Chesnox]

Yeah but you arent representitive of the general public. You are most likely downloading music that you wouldnt buy.. You never used to buy 100 albums a month did you? Napster hurt a lot because that 14 year old girl down the street was downloading her monthly album rather than buying it. And the speed of the connection has very little to do with that. It dont take long even on 56K to download that album you were gonna buy.

No, I am not. But the general public is becoming more like me. PCs are in many more homes, and are no longer the bastion of the geeks. If you have a new PC, you probably have broadband. In fact, most broadband is advertised on the very principal you "can download music 10x faster!!!" etc..etc..My mum has a PC, my brother, 2 of my uncles. Five years ago none of them had PCs.

And I really don't think Napster was used by (many) 14yr old girls. Napster from its inception was just the first in a series of convenient and easy to use file sharing progs (see Kazaa, BitTorrent). Kazaa was no more difficult to use, nor is BitTorrent. All of these applications were and are used by the same basic demographic of internet users. Reasonably savvy music, gaming and film fans. The problem is, is that demographic grows ever larger as PCs hit more homes. And the number of users grow, so do their download speeds and thier hard disks. Its a problem that is not going away, as much as the music and film industry likes to claim it is.

 

[Morchaoron]

I used to do it all the time.. sure it doesnt downloand in a few minutes but its still only a few hours. Remember most people were doing it during the napster era, So i dont see your point?

The funny thing is now I am on uber broadband i dont download music anymore.

With a modem its not always about the 'slowness', but that you pay money for each minute you are online (which is completely horrific when you try to download movies)

I download 10 times more now then when i had a modem, since i only pay a fixed amount of money now each month instead of paying huge phone bills, and its at least 20 times faster!

 

[yaruar]

I have a vested interest in these issues as my current company is part of the broader music intdustry and one of my previous companies was an information provider and therefore deeply entwined in IP (intellectual property) issues.

The main issue for me is that, yes there are people who are using download services to try stuff before they buy it, but the majority of people are using it because they want stuff for free and don't see why they have to pay for it. All their railing against the film and music industry doesn't actually mask the fact that 99 percent of them download stuff for free because they are too tight to pay for it.

 

[Jayce]

I have a vested interest in these issues as my current company is part of the broader music intdustry and one of my previous companies was an information provider and therefore deeply entwined in IP (intellectual property) issues.

The main issue for me is that, yes there are people who are using download services to try stuff before they buy it, but the majority of people are using it because they want stuff for free and don't see why they have to pay for it. All their railing against the film and music industry doesn't actually mask the fact that 99 percent of them download stuff for free because they are too tight to pay for it.

I have very little music and no films, but I have downloaded music. I would not buy what I have with the exception of a few song that I have already bought. No one has lost money from me because if I couldn't download the few I have I simply wouldn't have them. If I like something I buy it, simple.

 

[Coolan]

Go around the more seedy bootfairs in the UK and you'll see loads of dodgy DVDs (with colour printed cases, and even printed DVDs). All probably done on a £700 PC from PC World.

Epson r200 printer £89.99
Pc with dvdcopier £399.99

You could do it all for 500

 

[Chesnox]

The main issue for me is that, yes there are people who are using download services to try stuff before they buy it, but the majority of people are using it because they want stuff for free and don't see why they have to pay for it. All their railing against the film and music industry doesn't actually mask the fact that 99 percent of them download stuff for free because they are too tight to pay for it.

Some, but not 99%. Others dislike (for example) copy protection on CDs (which we should have a right to backup incase of media failure), pricing disparities, general overpricing, substandard product (2 decent songs, 11 fillers on a £15 CD, no CD single), substandard media (low quality CDs detiorating after a few years), clunky and overpriced digital distribution solutions etc..etc.. Basically, what motivates many people is hatred for a greedy and very unconsumer friendly industry.

Most of the downloading I have done over the years is to replace my entire vinyl (yes, I am that old) and early CD collection with high quality mp3. I kinda consider that my right, even if the law says otherwise. Admittedly, I have dled other material in copyright, but I generally do buy music I like (in most but not all cases.)

 

[Jaapi]

Some, but not 99%. Others dislike (for example) copy protection on CDs (which we should have a right to backup incase of media failure).

Have a kinda funny example of that myself. I downloaded a game early this year and it was fun, so i ordered a copy of it. The CD broke so i had to buy another one...

So the conclusion is that because of piratism i bought the game twice. So piratism doesn't hurt the companies every time.