best tank?

[Northstarr]

pls put the good and bad point on mid tanks for pve and rvr, im stuck between warrior and thane atm but info on skalds and zerkers is helpfull too. thx
also which race shud i choose for each class

 

[Whoodoo_RD]

Thane pros:

Us Thanes got some good self buffs, Mjolliner AE dmg is not too bad in RvR (awaits coments about breaking mezz), DD lightning is pretty kewl, good chain armour, good str (Troll is best here). Can solo yellows and sometimes oranges easily.

Cons
Slow, need a speed buffer (skald / healer / runie) to get anywhere fast. Mjolliner annoys ppls sometimes, but also annoys enemies as much , good for 1 on 1 melee but not against more than 1 really. Tend to eat mana quickly using spells.

Basics, we can PvE quickly, one on one wth MOBs no prolemo, can pull from a distance (something warriors lack), so can easy avoid going into agro areas.

RvR we need backup from others, mainly for speed and mana regen from healers.

 

[xajorkith]

> can pull from a distance (something warriors lack)

Warriors have throwing axes/hammers and can pull from some distance since patch 1.49 when Mythic took pity on us and increased the range of the axes and hammers.

Berzerkers can't pull at all.

Warriors can easily solo yellows and most of the time Oranges too depending on the state of ones Armour and Weapons.

I like my warrior for:
Engage Ability, saved me many a time from some Alb Archer
Can carry large shield, ideal for handling several mobs.
Shed loads of hitpoints.
Chain is okay I suppose plate would be better.

I hate him for:
Too slow to run away from a fight.
Too slow to catch an enemy up.
A Norseman Warrior, doesn't hit that hard.
Once out of endurance can't sprint (compare to mage, once out of mana a mage can still run)
Often can't defend oneself against caster types.

Summary: A Warrior is a tank and that's it, no toys to play with! So a warrior can be quite a boring character.

 

[old.Krusha]

forgot that a warrior is the best blocker/parrier in the realm (ie best in such a way he has both parry and block at very high speccs )

But can be very boring after awhile (f8 1,2,2,2, f8 1,2,2,2,,2 (1=stick 2 = taunt)) and youll spend a fortune at the smiths on repair.

 

[AbPoon]

Zerker

Stupid dmg output and sweet L axe styles.

All other mid tanks look weak in comparision, warriors can block, thanes can break mezz, Zerkers can kill pretty much any tank class in the game, only 1 that stands a good chance vs a spearo really.

 

[old.Atrox]

Once out of endurance can't sprint (compare to mage, once out of mana a mage can still run)

compared to Tanks, oop mage's cant do dmg

I think Thanes will be a little more fun in RvR, since you have ranged attacks.
Zerkers seems very fun aswell, thou as soon as u hit that beaver macro you get agro like mad in RvR... ( Frenzy taunt ? )
Skalds are extremly annoying for enemy CC chars and mages.
not sure about Warriors, but they are defence masters.

 

[akula]

hmmmm, think i've played most classes now,

skalds - not the best soloing char, but gr8 fun in grp, small shield, and speed is damn nice

thanes - solo orange without that much hassle, slow arsed after using a skald, medium shield, stormcalling is gr8 fun

shaman - versatile, healer/DoTs/buffer all in one, not bad against blues and some yellows solo

zerker - sill dmg output, but best in grps, dishes out dmg lot better than they take it

SM - interesting nuker class, get a pet to run as a tank for u,

RM - Nukage class, and rather good at it

Warrior - run in, hit it, until u or mob die, rinse repeat

 

[Torin]

Best tank ... hmmm, good question. Here is Healers point of view:

Scalds and Zerks - are not tanks. They seams to think that they can tank - and it makes healer to scream " DONT TAKE AGRO FFS, OOM"

Warrs - BEST tanks on Midgard. As for PvM and PvP.

Thanes - are almost same to Warriors if they go for 42 in shields and 50 weapon and leave their SC at lvl something like 36? than they are same defens-optimised as warrs.

RvR - here tanks need only one thing - speed. BUT combo Warr (thane) + Healer - is almost unkillable - can easily take FG of yellows ( albs though not hibs, hibs are harder).

So Warr with shield ( forget that 2h, it sux) and thane with shield are best tanks.
Scald is usefull for speed and supp mezz, zerk - damage maker

 

[old.Krusha]

Originally posted by Torin

Thanes - are almost same to Warriors if they go for 42 in shields and 50 weapon and leave their SC at lvl something like 36? than they are same defens-optimised as warrs.

Except they have less hp

Dont get me wrong i like to have than guarding me.. but if im ooe and he stars to taunt and get it.. they go down a bit faster then my warrior (2100 hp buffed w00t )

 

[Loveless]

I dont think zerkers are really tanks

they just damage dealers! :>

And even though you cant pull from range, jus get a group, people like zerkers cos of the high damage they can do and i hear they r0c in rvr :>

So there u got a group friendly melee class and good rvr melee class also :>

 

[AbPoon]

Well zerker defence isnt quite as shitty as everyone seems 2 think, yes it aint as good as the s&s warrior but it is better then the thane with high storm calling stats and a shield, lets do the sums.

Thane 48 SC 44 weapon 35 shield 18 parry say for an example (i know this aint a usual template but gets the meaning across)

22.5% block chance base on shield
14% parry chance
giving 36.5% chance of taking no dmg (modified by dex etc but not gonna dabble into that, head hurts 2 much today :/ )

Zerker 44 weapon 44 parry 50 L axe
15% Evade chance
27% parry
giving 42% chance 4 no dmg
take 8% for the loss in absorb
gives 34% but then the average zerker has much better hp then the thane and the ability to stun for 9 seconds off the l axe chain also helps.

This thane example does have high stormcalling but your on about defence and melee ability, thanes can shout and insta lighting in melee, i can turn into a hampster and hit for over 500 dmg a hit go figure what hurts more

Also in patch 1.52 Zerks will be the only class in midguard that can avoid dmg fired from all directions unlike parry/Shield making evade twice as valuble.

According to mythic the Warrior and Zerker are the only tanks in Mid, warriors heavy Zerkers light same 4 the rest of the realms, all others are hybrids.

All my views are just my take on things, no flames intended but i know alot more zerkers that are happy with there chars then thanes for pve more so, fact is thanes can pull but cant solo as well , ahh ye and zerkers can pull nxt patch as hammers being added.

Cheers 4 listening peeps

 

[Wicoa]

Warrior's are the best "tank" thats if you are talking strictly about tanking. Weapon, parry and a heater shield specialists who are good at their job ;-). Take the heat and dish out the damage. Thane might be more fun in rvr fort taking and defending area hammers is a lovely sight unless you are on the other team ;-)

 

[AbPoon]

Aye true, if you mean tank by taking hits aye warriors are good 4 that but if you mean taking dmg and giving it back the line gets blured slightly

 

[Doramir]

it dont matter n e way a hero kill u all n e day

 

[AbPoon]

Hero's?

ahhh you mean them chimps with the spears that i always seem 2 evade then wait 4 hours 4 them 2 take another swing?

Yeah r0x0rs my b0x0rs and all that :/

And wtf has this got 2 do with a post about mid tanks? get back 2 killing water beetles foo

 

[old.Pepsay]

Just thought i'd say this, berserkers get the throw axe thingy next patch.

 

[_Azara_]

Thane isnt a v good char imo. Your main damage will be in melee not as a demi-mage so it really doesnt make sense to stand about casting when you should be trying to close with the enemy. Mjollnir takes virtually no hp from equal cons, the main bolt does okish dmg but nothing to write home about (add. its on a timer ;/ ) and the instacasts are really just good for interupts as they do pitiful damage to anything above a blue con. Pve the Thanes okish again but probably has greater DT than a warrior/zerk. Warrior/zerk just has to heal and get end while thane has to rest for a min and half every 3 pulls to rejuv. mana if it wants to solo high yellow. You can do orange but its pointless as the downtime for mana isnt worth it. Bolt+insta, x2 mjollnir, PBAOE insta-shout and insta bolt sucks up a lot of mana.

Warrior is just very boring to play id imagine. Levels fairly fast as they are rare and thus sort out for the base of a group but the end game rvr isnt gonna be to great + the base tanks of hib and alb are both far stronger if using their spear weapons. Lot more fun to play as a result to id imagine.

Id recommend Skald or Berserker. Skalds a fun grouper as its got some basic chants and also a mez and shouts so grouping isnt meerly a case of click, 2,3,2,3,2,3 with the occasional peel. Zerks arnt exactly a world above warriors but at least they are original and have some kind of defineing aspects. They just seems more interesting to me although I guess warrior has good shield and auto-train weapons it just seems dull. Like you never go see the trainer at level 5 and just stay a viking.

Race is mainly just your choice but for straight melee's troll is normaly the most fun. There is really very little between them so its mainly a choice of what you like. Kobold warriors or skalds are quite fun if your looking for something a little away from the mainstream.

 

[-yoda-]

Warriors parry/block is a pain in the ass . on usa i went with my mins to odins and ran ito a solo warrior . and no bullshit our fight took close to 5 mins . he eventually killed me after we had both used all our ip's fa's etc etc . but i checked the message log after the battle and counted the amount of time he block/parried me and i counted parry/block combined he done me FORTYEIGHT times .

i couldnt belieave a char could block/parry so much , i was pissed i lost cos we were both on low hp "me lower" and he was hitting harder than me so i tried to turn sos>run/flute/mezz him / rest n regen a bit then finish him but his weapon procc'd twice on the trot "or he used a charge" as i turned and finished me . was easily my most fun fight on daoc so far . and lasted an eternity .


vs skalds i dont do to well cos there dmge output and shouts do to much dmge and they got a lot more hp than myself .

Zerker lol nuf said with there gerbil mode .

dunno much about thanes never metone of them for a 1v1 yet ,

but imo zerkers best for all out killing sped ...
warriors by far the best for defense
skalds a hybrid of both . decent dmge + spells hp and can parrya lot if they spec it .

thanes id prolly say they a hybrid of skald/warrior with decent defense ad 1/2 decent offense .


p.s im an alb so i'm prolly wrong but thats just my view of mid tanks from the other side of the fence .

 

[mcdonalds]

Best Tanks

Armsmen

Wish next patch would hurry up, so i can have a slow assed pole and get upset by PBT

 

[old.Kladen]

skald.
they can kill anything really