best spec for a 50ish ns?

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mive

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I want to know which of the two specs below would result in the highest dmg output while using my crit styles

The two choices are: 50 Piercing / 34 Crit - 44 Piercing / 39 Crit

I recall something about each point used on crit, will raise my cap dmg by 9, but cant find any material on piercing dmg.
 
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Aloca

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If that is the specs u want to choose from i say 50 pierc 34cs.
yes cs does increase your CAP dmg add from cs styles, but as pierc raise your base dmg you still doesnt get lower cap dmg,
and who need a cap dmg on 300dmg on garrote? u will never do it on anyone, and if u find someone that u should he will die very fast anyway.
 
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Tranquil-

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Weaponspec #1 priority imo. Weaponskill > all in the end.

That goes for all who has melee as primary attack.
 
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mive

Guest
thx both...

guess my end spec would look like this:

36 stealth = 50 at rr4
21 cd = 25% + 12,5% + 10,5% = 48% (plus adds from items etc.)
34 crit = followup to PA
50 pierc = high base dmg/weapskill
33 venom = highest debuff at rr4 (highest dot at rr7 ^^)


feel free to comment :)
 
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Athralmall

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I tried 34 CS, wasn't good enough for my tastes so upped it to 39 CS which is much better.

50 pierce is nice, sure - but tbh we don't get enough spec points to make it viable (unlike infi's) so 44 is good enough.
 
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snozrick-retro

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Go the usual NS spec mate, its nothing special but is a good all round one...

Its is: 44pierce, 39cs, 21cd, 36 stealth, 36 venom. (this spec is if u done what i did and auto trained stealth)

If u don't auto stealth will be same probally but with 35 stealth and 35 venom.
 
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Ximadir

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Take this spec till rr5


35stealth
35 env
44pierce
39cs
rest cd
 
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spankya

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Originally posted by Ximadir
Take this spec till rr5


35stealth
35 env
44pierce
39cs
rest cd
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What he said ^^ but maybe reduce envenom even more for more CD :)
 
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Gregstah

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Hey i got a nice spec for u mate..

atm im allmost rr7

my spec looks like this

50 Pierce 39 Celtic Dual 33 stealth 30 Envenom 15 CS

with this spec and a couple of nice swords i tryed like lets say

Spined Piercer and Stinger, my dmg is about 250+ each hit when im max buffed...

15 CS for BS2 and tight cut... about 300 dmg in all but not using it on stealthers, becouse if u do u loose ur pierce evade stunn 5-6 sec

But would tell u if ur the guy who likes to PA peepz alot and ur doing it

then go 44 pierce 44 cs 32 env 35 stealth 15 CD and ofc get DR2 :p

this spec is very nice for a rr5 PA shade :D PA cap would be about 800-1000 with crit i think... at least something like that...

nice spec imo :D

but Shademaster is teh win
 
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Gregstah

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Its a nice pierce drop :p

dont have the link to it.. but its 3.7 speed 16.5 dps mainhand weap.. mostly used by BM's Heroes.. got +4 parry on it but still gives me the uber dmg.. well lets say i hit like a savage without quad :D
 
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azshara

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Originally posted by Gregstah
Its a nice pierce drop :p

dont have the link to it.. but its 3.7 speed 16.5 dps mainhand weap.. mostly used by BM's Heroes.. got +4 parry on it but still gives me the uber dmg.. well lets say i hit like a savage without quad :D
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use a frikking GR instead... just 0.1spd diff. and leik u r wasting +8 skill on parry/shield.
 
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Silenzio

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Originally posted by mive
thx both...

guess my end spec would look like this:

36 stealth = 50 at rr4
21 cd = 25% + 12,5% + 10,5% = 48% (plus adds from items etc.)
34 crit = followup to PA
50 pierc = high base dmg/weapskill
33 venom = highest debuff at rr4 (highest dot at rr7 ^^)


feel free to comment :)
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can i suggest u to lover stealth by one point (35) and push up envenom by 1 (34)

49 or 50 stealth is not much difference but... greater enervating or not is :)

rr3 is fast to reach... rr4 not that far... rr7 is a long way ;P

maybe later at higer rr repec out from stealth envenom to cs so u will increase cs cap :)


have fun
 
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azshara

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Originally posted by Silenzio
can i suggest u to lover stealth by one point (35) and push up envenom by 1 (34)

49 or 50 stealth is not much difference but... greater enervating or not is :)

rr3 is fast to reach... rr4 not that far... rr7 is a long way ;P

maybe later at higer rr repec out from stealth envenom to cs so u will increase cs cap :)


have fun
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with 33 env he needs rr4 to get best debuff, not v hard to get.
and ye, 35 stealth is better to go imo ;d
 
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Silenzio

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Originally posted by azshara
with 33 env he needs rr4 to get best debuff, not v hard to get.
and ye, 35 stealth is better to go imo ;d
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thats why i told him to lower stealth by one point
and re use it on evenom ( from 33 to 34) to get greater enervating at rr3 :)
 
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Solarius

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Originally posted by Gregstah
Hey i got a nice spec for u mate..

atm im allmost rr7

my spec looks like this

50 Pierce 39 Celtic Dual 33 stealth 30 Envenom 15 CS

with this spec and a couple of nice swords i tryed like lets say

Spined Piercer and Stinger, my dmg is about 250+ each hit when im max buffed...

15 CS for BS2 and tight cut... about 300 dmg in all but not using it on stealthers, becouse if u do u loose ur pierce evade stunn 5-6 sec

But would tell u if ur the guy who likes to PA peepz alot and ur doing it

then go 44 pierce 44 cs 32 env 35 stealth 15 CD and ofc get DR2 :p

this spec is very nice for a rr5 PA shade :D PA cap would be about 800-1000 with crit i think... at least something like that...

nice spec imo :D

but Shademaster is teh win
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I'm actually trying a very similar spec for my second shade:

Pierce 50 CD 44 Envenom 38 Stealth 25 CS1 (autotrained strealth and no CS), good to see someone with a similar spec, wondering how mine turns out, but realmeleeshade spec I hope :)

If it goes bad I'll prob respec CD down to 34 and boost stealth to 37, CS to 6, or some other playabout. Hoping I don't need to though.
 
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equade

Guest
44 Blade
44 Celtic dual
35 Stealth
35 Envenom

:clap:
 
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azshara

Guest
Originally posted by Solarius
I'm actually trying a very similar spec for my second shade:

Pierce 50 CD 44 Envenom 38 Stealth 25 CS1 (autotrained strealth and no CS), good to see someone with a similar spec, wondering how mine turns out, but realmeleeshade spec I hope :)

If it goes bad I'll prob respec CD down to 34 and boost stealth to 37, CS to 6, or some other playabout. Hoping I don't need to though.
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if u r doing summit like that.... do 50p, ~44cd, 33env, rest stealth.
 
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Solarius

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Originally posted by Silenzio
:touch:
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Low, I know, but hopefully damage output will be high. Thats also why I'm taking Envenom to 38, so rr2 (really easy to get) gives me LB. Because we do get less points than an inf, something has to be reduced, and I thought I'd try out low stealth. I'll just have to wait and see how it goes :) (look at it this way - with low stealth and no CS, I won't be tempted to try a backstab/PA, so will be looking to uncover any enemy assassins with instadd.)
 
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dexa

Guest
Why dont you make a ranger instead?

Atleast u have a:

bow
more hp
ip
ts


:)

pa rules........................
 
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Solarius

Guest
Not ruled out making a ranger tbh, got 2 shades now (24 and 25, more spare time now so might get round to finishing one) ones gonna be high CS and Stealth, fancied a different style of shade.
 
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dexa

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Originally posted by Solarius
Not ruled out making a ranger tbh, got 2 shades now.
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solarius i think for your sake make just 1 ns, and get respecc stones :)


btw i think the cd is way too far overrated.......


first its no stiles on cd (the second hand)
and ex. for my specc and dr 2

cd = 27 => i have 66.0% chance too swing both hands
cd = 44 => i have 74.5% chance too swing both hands

That means i "waste" 612 points just to get less then 1 more swing with both hands in 10 tries.

my 2 cent anyway ;)
 
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azshara

Guest
Originally posted by Solarius
Low, I know, but hopefully damage output will be high. Thats also why I'm taking Envenom to 38, so rr2 (really easy to get) gives me LB. Because we do get less points than an inf, something has to be reduced, and I thought I'd try out low stealth. I'll just have to wait and see how it goes :) (look at it this way - with low stealth and no CS, I won't be tempted to try a backstab/PA, so will be looking to uncover any enemy assassins with instadd.)
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um... lower env to atleast 35 k. 38 is just gimped :/
oh and up the frikkin stealth... will get perfed 24/7. (and move rly slow)
 
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old.Laryssa

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44 pierce
39 CS
35 stealth/env
20 CD


works good for me so far ;)

(no auto)
 
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Solarius

Guest
Intresting, getting lots of feedback from my (as yet uncompleted) spec, except from the guy I responded to. Not that I'm complaining, feedback is a good thing :)

One question though, with envenom down to 33, extra stealth and the rest the same it takes stealth to 31. Envenom down to 35 gives only an extra 4 in stealth. Will such low amounts really make a difference? (not questioning logic as such, just genuinly want to know) Reason I ask is because I'd like LB for higher damage output asap, rather than having to wait until RR4/RR6 for it.

Oh, Dexa, I did originally think about having only one shade, but the spec plan required autotrain (which Calain didn't do), and I didn't want to delete him, I get too attached to my characters :p
 
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