Best SB template for RvR

[Brannor McThife]

Originally posted by old.mattshanes
Well if i gonna have 39 stealth i may aswell go for 40 for the extra safety fall and camillo has lv50 and no one finds him besides i think that template is ok and so do the lv50 shadowblades i have spoken to.

Camillo has a base of 39 stealth. And honestly, that extra safe fall just isn't worth the points you can put elsewhere. I jumped from the upper tower of Caer Witrin (to the ground outside), and lost only 30% or so in the fall. That's roughly what? 4/5 storeys? You can jump off any keep wall in the game with Safe Fall III.

-G

 

[omen_darkstep]

There is no 'uber sb' plate. It's pretty balanced, and it all depends on getting the first hit.

I have 55 swords, 55 cs, 48 envenom, and 46 stealth. That's with items and RR2 at level 50.

I "normally" do the following...

Perforate Artery with 2 hander poisoned with crippling poison, switch to left axe poisoned with forest spider poison and 1 hander sword poisoned with debuff very quickly, do Crippling Death, Stunning Stab, and Garrote the rest if they're not dead yet.

 

[omen_darkstep]

Anyway, SBs suck... Hunter's own. Ranged attacks with stealth RULE!

 

[Derric]

Originally posted by old.mattshanes
Well if i gonna have 39 stealth i may aswell go for 40 for the extra safety fall and camillo has lv50 and no one finds him

No..Camillo don't have 50 base stealth.(and I hope noone else has)
And Safe Fall III is all you need to have.

 

[old.Iunliten]

Do an inf, and specc thrust to 50...
I can't understand why so many infiltrators actually have chose to have slash well, well.

36 Stealth
39 Sword
39 Left axe
34 CS
29 envenom

is my end template too if I ever manage to get to 50.

Atm Doublefrost is so good it is silly.

 

[poi]

Originally posted by Brannor McThife
Just a thought...people saying "I'll auto my stealth till 40"... um...you do realise, that you will ABSOLUTELY SUCK in the BG's, and will pretty much move like a snail up till that point in sneaking, and will also be destealthed by mobs a mile away...not to mention, will be torn apart by enemy assassins?



-G

I played a "VenomZerker" (22+4 LA, 18+4 Axe, 21+1 Envenom, 6+3 Stealth) in Thidranki without any big problems. I had Minor Enervating Poison, debuff str/con with 55 and lvl 20 DOT.With low stealth, other stealthers could see me from afar, but the smart ones stayed away-was able to kill keenshades in 2 hits

Now my little kobold is lvl 40 and I have auto trained stealth all the way..solo has been easy-hack and slash with u axes!
my temp atm is :
stealth 10+6
CS 1
Envenum 26+3
LA 39+6
Axe 35+5

 

[gobbles]

RvR template

Best template for any RvR character:

Sense of humour and ability to handle defeat.

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[Solid]

Yay Iunliten, gonna be same spec as me, wonder if it helps u stay alive longer <wink> heehe

 

[old.Bubble]

5 specs the way to go

Shadowzerkers are alot of fun to play throuigh (inf killer)

 

[ivan_tribbiani]

Dont forget Infils never walk alone <Har Har Har Har>
.... they bring their granma with an ugly stick with em....

Do people honestly still believe that there will be a class that can solo if the game was designed for teamwork ? And after so much nerfage i have my doubts that any given class will be soloable at all in RvR.
Assassins should come in bunches to be effective......

My two pence...

 

[Venemous]

[/quote]I can't understand why so many infiltrators actually have
chose to have slash well, well.[/quote]

1, To be different
2, Does more damage to Archers/Mages/SB's, an infils
3, Looks cooler

-Ven-

 

[old.Iunliten]

Originally posted by Venemous

1, To be different
2, Does more damage to Archers/Mages/SB's, an infils
3, Looks cooler

-Ven-

1 Umm derric and thorn got thrust.
Youm niar, camillio, artemis jadow all slash if I am not mistaken?
2 But gives up dragon fang and the real tank hunting ability?
More damage to mages to mages though, Higher PA because the swords are slower or what?
3 Haven't really got chance to admire the differences.

I want more reasons!

 

[Solid]

Cloth armour has no melee resists or weaknesses so any melee weapon is effective as any other. Slash gives you no benefit against mages compared to thrust or crush.

 

[old.Jadow]

"1 Umm derric and thorn got thrust.
Youm niar, camillio, artemis jadow all slash if I am not mistaken?"

You're mistaken. Camillo and niar are slash;

Artemis and I are thrust.

Slash is the gimp

Jadow
Level 50 Infiltrator

 

[old.Jadow]

Btw venemous... how does slash look cooler than thrust?

Trust me dragonfang move owns -anything- that slash can come up with, lookswise.

It's the main reason I chose 50 thrust

Jadow
Level 50 Infiltrator

 

[kr0n]

Slash = Higher PA (due the spd, 3.9 vs gladius 3.7), better VS archers.
Thrust = Better VS tanks, same VS mages, lousier VS other assassins/archers

Its all about what you want to gank.

Thrust is better overall IMO.

 

[old.Jadow]

I use 2.2 weapons - sod PA damage, you want to get to CD as fast as possible and that means superfast thrusters IMO.

Also all those uber evade moves completely own, especially dragonfang (of course i'm going to say that).

Thrust gives the widest range of targets (vs mids at least, and they are who i invariably fight against).

Slash means arguments with meatheads about who gets the drops. I was on a barfog hunt one time and got both mouths tooth and kings nail because there were no other thrusters there at the time (thanks genius )

Jadow
Level 50 Infiltrator

 

[ivan_tribbiani]

Whoever still thinks that cloth armor gets any Vs weapon bonuses ? Cloth armor is just there to keep casters safe... the two defensive wards are there to keep up the diluded feeling of relative safety

 

[Venemous]

...

Ok so my memory fades a little, but we got the bonus against SB's and those are the only fights that rly matter to me..... and getting bonuses against hunters will be great in the next patch. Plus the amount of exp we save not going for a 50 move means we can get all our stats to nr 36ish and have all our stats at around 50 with bonuses.

I reckon I could kill a Jadow easy peasy

 

[old.Iunliten]

Hunt shadowblades?

Well altough this might be a reason (double frost is so good meet a equal lvl shadowblade with double frost and he eats!) that is still only like 5% of total mids as targets while thrusters have all but berzerkers.

 

[Myshra]

im slash as i dont like hunting chain wearers as if i fuck up they hurt me more, plus a skald will mezz me, as will a healer stun me, a thane will shout me (making re stealthing tougher) and a shammy will dot me, which usually means death from his skald helping buddies)whats a hunter gonna do? usually run in thidranki i know that cuts down my targets, but its a choice i made at the end of the day.

also, scale is weak to slash, and ill quite happily take on any scale wearing hibbie. i use a pair of 2.6 weaps, a compromise between damage and speed, thats after my PA

 

[ivan_tribbiani]

Re: ...

Originally posted by Venemous
Ok so my memory fades a little, but we got the bonus against SB's and those are the only fights that rly matter to me..... and getting bonuses against hunters will be great in the next patch. Plus the amount of exp we save not going for a 50 move means we can get all our stats to nr 36ish and have all our stats at around 50 with bonuses.

I reckon I could kill a Jadow easy peasy

Am i going to have to repeat this for ages, most of times its who gets the PA in and the CD follow up, So with Jadows fast weapons if he gets his PA in you are dead Venom

 

[old.Iunliten]

Originally posted by Myshra
im slash as i dont like hunting chain wearers as if i fuck up they hurt me more, plus a skald will mezz me, as will a healer stun me, a thane will shout me (making re stealthing tougher) and a shammy will dot me, which usually means death from his skald helping buddies)whats a hunter gonna do? usually run in thidranki i know that cuts down my targets, but its a choice i made at the end of the day.

also, scale is weak to slash, and ill quite happily take on any scale wearing hibbie. i use a pair of 2.6 weaps, a compromise between damage and speed, thats after my PA

Just for your information scale are vulnerable to slash first after 1.52 at the moment they are resistant as the got the same resist table as plate.

A shammie dotting you and a healer stunning you though?
None of them are instas in BG, that low stealth?

Still not gotten any real reason to choose slash over pierce, Is this the best argument you gimps got?

 

[Venemous]

Am i going to have to repeat this for ages, most of times its who gets the PA in and the CD follow up, So with Jadows fast weapons if he gets his PA in you are dead Venom

Ivan youve got me quoting every word someone says now like u do u annoying twit....

Its who gets the PA in first thats gonna win because they unstealth the victim so he cant do the combo. The speed of a weapon only kicks in AFTER the first hit.. So basically a slasher & thruster have the same chance of getting off the PA combo... The speed of thier connection is a far bigger factor as to whose gonna get in there first, the weapon is irrelevant...

Plus its very rare an sb/infil will let the other PA him cause they see them too soon, usually it just ends up in a scrap anyways... with the slash bonus

At the end of the day its up to you what u use, some might want to be assassin like and do big damage PA's that scare the heebe jeebes outta people, others may prefer to prick them to death...

shit theres a lot of crap you can probably catch me up on there.. go ahead

 

[Venemous]

rgr

just to add:
If you PA'd me Ivan then Id really be needing those slash bonus's to make sure I finish you off after your stun wears off. Was a fair comment no need to be a patronising noob...

Hey kids, before making an assassin just remember the infil world is very competitive place hehe

 

[listepik]

... And its all about STYLE!

im slasher myself. this, was done for several reasons.

i tried leveling a thruster, and oh dear god, what a gimp.
i did the excact same thing with a slasher, and im home free. Slashers have it MUCH easier in PvE, due to better drops/OTD (except on very high levels), and resists overall, favors Slash.

Style.
Thrusters are either: Very puny (the small ones), or too long and thin. only Gladius looks good, (and i must admit, only JAmbiyas and Saber tops it).


Main Target.
Assassins needs nerfage, if you ask EVERYONE!! so in order to help this matter, i wanted to make an assassin killer. Thrusters just doesnt cut it. Nightshades are mere pushovers for me, unless they have a good spell spec. their puny little splinters do zip damage (not talking PA ofc. thats just mean, regardless of weapon). Tanks, i dont fancy killing much. i've got plenty of albion tanks and casters to take out these for me. Sure, if i had gone thrust, i would have been better overall, against more different targets. but i wanna be GOOD against one. hence slash.

Difference.
when i started ny infil (40days /played) a long time ago, inf population, was about 80/20 in favor of thrusters. so naturally, i thought hey, i wanna be different. so i chose Slash.

Damage.
Yes. Slash has slower weapons than thrusting, as mentioned. this gives greater PA output, if thats your thing. if you are really a Tank-in-disguise, and want to be able to melee more than green cons, slash is your thing, and keep it high
(I am aware of Dragonfang. i was not at the time of creation, and its the ONLY thing, that could EVER make me respec to thrust. ever)

And Jadow is teh GIMP!!1 Nobody wants to use weapons commonly associated with him

 

[DocWolfe]

there are no 16.5dps player crafted off hand thrusters!

 

[ivan_tribbiani]

Re: rgr

Originally posted by Venemous
just to add:
If you PA'd me Ivan then Id really be needing those slash bonus's to make sure I finish you off after your stun wears off. Was a fair comment no need to be a patronising noob...

Hey kids, before making an assassin just remember the infil world is very competitive place hehe

Yup definately, Ivan << going to max out slash damage resistance bonuses

 

[ivan_tribbiani]

Originally posted by Venemous

Ivan youve got me quoting every word someone says now like u do u annoying twit....

edit : Hehehehe

Its who gets the PA in first thats gonna win because they unstealth the victim so he cant do the combo. The speed of a weapon only kicks in AFTER the first hit.. So basically a slasher & thruster have the same chance of getting off the PA combo...

edit: Yup thats exactly my point after successfull PA the timer kicks in and with fast weapons you can get that CD in much faster so there you go

shit theres a lot of crap you can probably catch me up on there.. go ahead [/B]

Hey kids dont roll Infiltrators ... its a pain in the arse profession, trust me

 

[old.Jadow]

It's not always about who PA's first, most of my fights with other assassins don't involve a PA at all. If I have any endurance left at all then i simply melee and wait for an evade, then dragonfang.

That generally wins the fight, and slash doesn't have dragonfang.

Slash = da gimp.

Jadow
Level 50 Infiltrator Gryphon Knight