Benowyc door exploit

[old.Cher]

nice gaurdians of power, just when i was getting over the fact u albs helped the mids take our relics, and decided it was just tactics from you, you then go and exploit a bug that allowed u to repair the outer door as we bashed the inner one,

i know it can't have been people repairing from above the keep door because i went there to kill them and it was emtpy.

so basically you can't stand the idea of playing this game fairly and feel u have to bend and break the rules to have more fun,

screw u all

apart from ootkt who i still have respect for, the rest of u can go back to feeling up mids, because at this rate hibs will not rvr anymore

 

[old.Cher]

and because i know this will be the first reply i'll even do it for u.


"someone got owned "

 

[Brunore]

I think he spat his dummie right out of hibbieland

:sleeping:

 

[SilverHood]

OWNED!!!1

 

[Dook_Pug]

Another Cher whinepost.

Working as intended. Cry more

 

[Laird MacGregor]

Need to kill this one before we start getting an eye for an eye and leaving everyone blind.

Repairing outer doors by exploit while the inner door being hacked is a no-no. If any guild adopts this as a consistent tactic then they deserve a faltering reputation... but only if the GM's aren't given the oppurtunity to crack down on over enthusiastic guildsmen. GoP do NOT endorse this tactic, you can take my word for that as a Warlord before you get any other response.

Every single realm has used this exploit, and yes every single guild has been inside or attacking a keep while this exploit is under way. Nobody can maintain they are as pure as the driven snow in this argument. Nobody

Mythic need a rocket up their arses if they think this exploit can go unfixed, as it's bad play damages their server stats and ultimately the longevity of our payments into their accounts.

So can it, everyone, every guild, every realm!!!

<Laird glares around the room>

 

[old.Atrox]

when chanters stop useing LoS bugs and when bard stop useing amnesia bugs come back and whine.

 

[Roalith]

Gets fixed in 1.59 or 1.60 I believe it is. Repair range from the doors is altered to a much smaller distance, meaning you have to be toe-to-toe with the door to fix it.

 

[Elrond/Ruffting]

Albs did this to us at Bledmeer as well last night, we'd just got the second door down and they closed the first the exact same second, hence leaving all the tanks inside and all the seers outside. We finally managed to get it down again and as soon as we got into the courtyard the keep upgraded to level 10, a million purple guards popped and we were wiped before we could rez the fallen from the exploit. Quite lame imo.

 

[Sarum TheBlack]

I know this has been discussed before, but I've lost the thread/news post.

Is it officially regarded as an exploit by GOA/Mythic? It's hard to argue it's fair (other than its a tactic open to all realms, but just because everyone can do it doesn't make it right), but it is actually an exploit? Currently repairing doors (or anything else) doesn't require LOS, and the range is such that you can repair the outer doors from inside the keep. To me that makes it exactly the same as the fact pets don't use LOS and GTAoE doesn't need LOS, neither of which are exploits, even if you don't like them. It’s a feature of the game design, rather than strictly a bug, whereas taking advantage of geometry holes to attack others from safety is a bug, and an exploit.

The repair range does get altered in a patch or two to stop this, as does the fact pets don’t currently use LOS (both welcome changes in my opinion). To me, until the patch that in theory prevents outer door repairing is implemented, it’s not an exploit.

And don't take this post as GOP condoning cheating, we certainly don't. And I don't have any woodwork skill, or say in how doors are repaired, so my opinion on if it's cheating or not is fairly irrelevant.

 

[jonstone]

Dunno if someone repaired the gate or not as I aint been on. However its very funny and hypocritical for a hib to complain about bug abuse when I cant cast an aoe in defense of Benoywc without getting chain nuked to death at the back of the keep from LoS abuse

 

[Laird MacGregor]

It's a bug, take my word for it kin

If a piece of software fails to meet the expectations of a majority of users in sufficient volume it is termed as either 'bug' or in some uniquely funny cases a 'feature'.

Thus with the floods of incidents that mythic have received on this very issue, they have to class it 'internally' as a severe bug, and thus action is being taken to address this in patches. As such developers are reluctant to claim publicly that anything is to be classed as bug unless there is overwhelming outcry and immediate calls to repair it, "can't have users thinking our coding isn't quality!!" Rather fix it without creating a fuss before anyone notices to avoid that (catch my drift? )

 

[Chole]

Why do people from 1 realm moan at others doing this?

Mids done just the same at Beno a while back, it happens
and untill its fixed then people will exploit, no matter what rlm/guild

 

[Garaen]

lol, i think you should /send azal and have a talk to him about repairing the second door from inside.

 

[Sarum TheBlack]

Originally posted by Laird MacGregor
It's a bug, take my word for it kin

If a piece of software fails to meet the expectations of a majority of users in sufficient volume it is termed as either 'bug' or in some uniquely funny cases a 'feature'.

A bug is erratic functioning of a program, or a failure to meet the design specifications. Failing to do what the users expect is (perhaps) a design flaw (unless the design was right, and the program fails to meet it, in which case it's a bug)... sometimes it's just users being unreasonable/stupid. And there is an important difference, namely, if it's a bug, is us programmers that get the blame, if it's a design flaw, it's usually someone else's fault .

The fact enchanter pets don't use LOS isn't a bug, they were designed that way (or, Mythic were too lazy/busy, or just plain forgot to add LOS code to them). The fact wizard bolts (and runi/eld bolts) get blocked 80% of the time you use them in RvR, and usually do pitiful damage when they do hit isn't a bug either, they're working exactly as Mythic intended.

The fact is, the game was designed so that repair didn't require LOS.. repairing doors from inside a keep is probably an unforeseen product of bad design, but does that make it an exploit? Perhaps it does... it's certainly not very much fun for the attackers, and goes right on the "just not cricket" lists.

 

[old.mattshanes]

WARRRRRRRRRGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HE USED A BUG ON ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Fucksake the game is filled with bugs it's not the peoples fault it's the people who made the game.

 

[Brunore]

Originally posted by old.mattshanes
WARRRRRRRRRGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HE USED A BUG ON ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Fucksake the game is filled with bugs it's not the peoples fault it's the people who made the game.

But its the people's fault who EXPLOIT the bugs you muppet!

 

[Danya]

*Ahem* Here's the right now someone got a while back after this bug was used, I'll requote it here as people have obviously forgetten it:

Subject
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Outer keep door repairing


Discussion Thread
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Response (CS) - 11/15/2002 11:33 AM
Greetings.

We have investigated this and it is not regarded as bug exploitation. Line of sight is not currently required for repairing objects and while we can hope this to change in the future, it is not currently considered a bug to rapair items not in line of sight.

Best regards,
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European Dark Age of Camelot Customer Support

So, as Dook says, Working as intended, cry more.

 

[Piojo]

Is it me or are all albs retarded?

 

[Danya]

Seems like Hibs are in this instance.

 

[Laird MacGregor]

Originally posted by Sarum TheBlack


... if it's a bug, is us programmers that get the blame, if it's a design flaw (unless the design was right, and the program fails to meet it, in which case it's a bug)... sometimes it's just users being unreasonable/stupid.

LOL, oh the joys I've had over that one myself ...

++ Phone support incident number 3405 ++

<User> I'd like to report a bug
<Dev> What bug? We got no bugs?
<User> Well when I click this button I loose all my data
<Dev> You sure that's not the *Clear Form* button?
<User> Nooo... it's the *Save* button... it wipes my entries
<Dev> Ah that's a feature, batch update clears form after save
<User> But I don't want it to do that...it's bugged!!
<Dev> No it's not!!
<User> Yes it is!!! I'm the customer.. I paid for this!!!
<Dev> Well you didn't ASK for that in the requirements spec did you?
<User> Huh? spec what?
<Dev> Hah see!! you signed the acceptance certificate on the Req Spec and the Design, you asked for it!!!
<User> errr... what... no it's just a bug isn't it, can't you fix it?
<Dev> Nope!! it's your fault stoopid.. hahahah OWNED!!!

*Click*

Muhahahhahaha... Devs own you!!!

 

[old.mattshanes]

Originally posted by Brunore


But its the people's fault who EXPLOIT the bugs you muppet! [/QUOTE

Let me give you an example shitbrains if a player got stuck into a wall or tree by mistake i.e with speed stuck to someone and killed people when he or she can't get out would that be their fault?such as people being stuck in doors etc...

Yeah i know some typed /stuck but some people have actually been stuck in a place for a few days if not a week ffs.My friends character got deleted once because he got stuck in camelot floor when he was just walking around...

Also if they did fix the fucking bugs we wouldn't have all this petty moaning shit lol

 

[mid_Efour]

stfu shanes,

and keep crafting

 

[old.mattshanes]

No i am going to get cemented into a wall by a lurikeen ^^

 

[Dook_Pug]

You're all missing one fundamental point.

Whether you BELIEVE it to be cheating or not, for the time being (until it's fixed) it's not and is...You guessed it:

WORKING AS INTENDED!

Your opinion on whether it is lame or not means absolutely Jack Schitt.

For further info, see Danyan's reply to this thread a few posts up.

 

[Fafnir]

Let me give you an example shitbrains if a player got stuck into a wall or tree by mistake i.e with speed stuck to someone and killed people when he or she can't get out would that be their fault?such as people being stuck in doors etc...

Well if you get stuck its not your fault, but killing people from with in the wall/tree etc where none can hit you is just an exploit. Otherwise all trees and walls would have doors so we could just step inside. When i played on MLF mids and hibs coop'd just to kill off assholes like this, 1 hib ran up to the wall hugged it as much as he could, then he had 3 people healing him, while the mids had 2 thanes using mjölnir on hib, thus eventually killing the 2 albs inside the wall, and both got banned for exploiting bugs.

And the albs defence was they had just fallen thru the wall.

Yes the doorbug works as intended at the moment, but does it make it right to use such vile tactics???

 

[Teh Krypt]

Originally posted by old.Atrox
when chanters stop useing LoS bugs and when bard stop useing amnesia bugs come back and whine.

Its a feature, being changed in a later patch babe.

 

[SoulFly Amarok]

Originally posted by old.Cher
nice gaurdians of power, just when i was getting over the fact u albs helped the mids take our relics, and decided it was just tactics from you, you then go and exploit a bug that allowed u to repair the outer door as we bashed the inner one,

i know it can't have been people repairing from above the keep door because i went there to kill them and it was emtpy.

so basically you can't stand the idea of playing this game fairly and feel u have to bend and break the rules to have more fun,

screw u all

apart from ootkt who i still have respect for, the rest of u can go back to feeling up mids, because at this rate hibs will not rvr anymore

HI!! Want a cookie? I just baked some, and these are really good!

 

[SoulFly Amarok]

Originally posted by old.Atrox
when chanters stop useing LoS bugs and when bard stop useing amnesia bugs come back and whine.

Not to mention EVERY realm using the repair bug to trap people between the 2 doors

Cookies for everyone! Popcorn too. Though, I blame derric :|

 

[Damon_D]

Hmmm you used real butter on that popcorn ??...if so I'll have some thank you