Being arrested?!

[Ucallme]

Well two men in blue just stopped by my house, they want to interview me tomorrow. they say they have enough to arrest me on, highly scepticle. so anyone able to offer me some advice?

basicly this is whats happened.

fancy dress party at a bar. my friend loses his phone, i find a phone identitcle to his. it rings, i think its my friends phone, turns out its someone elses phone. they find me, argument, i give them the phone, they say ive stolen there ipod. i hadnt. i tlel them i dont have it, turn out my pockets, and they keep acusing me, so i tell them to get lost, as do a few of my friends.

now the police come to my house and say they think ive stolen the phone + ipod and they have enough to arrest me on, there coming to take me to the station to sort it out tomorrow.

what are my rights here? can they fingerprint me? can they interview me? should i get a lawyer even tho ive done nothing wrong? (cost wouldnt be a big deal my dad would cover that)

what the fuck do i need to do to amke sure this shit isnt pinned on me?

Hi, I think you should goto the Police Station ans say 'I'll be Back' Then do what Arnold did in Terminator and kill all the policeman in the Police Station then they got something to arrest you for

Only problem is you might get added on

Amphrax

 

[Lamp]

Help me with this bitch of a tort question then

What torts text are you using ?

How well do you understand the classic torts case law ?

 

[cHodAX]

I would do this...

'You'll never take me alive copper!' RAT-A-TAT-TAT!

and let the bastards have it with my tommygun, 1930's gansta style!



Oh and Darksword, you are going down for a 5 strech son, Big Bob is gonna make you his sissy bitch

 

[Comos]

just don't drop the soap

 

[Tilda]

What torts text are you using ?

How well do you understand the classic torts case law ?

Using Markesinis and Deakin's 5th, and I get the caselaw fine when I read it, I should probably be arsed to sit down and read whats relevant to the question before trying to pluck out issues

 

[Lamp]

Using Markesinis and Deakin's 5th, and I get the caselaw fine when I read it, I should probably be arsed to sit down and read whats relevant to the question before trying to pluck out issues

I used Winfield and Jolowicz on Tort (Rogers). It was excellent. I've not looked at tort case law for 15 years (when I read it in my 2nd year). My advice: see a lawyer

BTW, my fee for that advice is £750. Just credit my FH a/c

P.S. If you've not already read it, read Haddock v Inland Revenue (Google it - its hilarious - about a man who tried to cash a cheque written on a cow)

GL !

 

[Lollersausage]

Police are shit these days. Got 'arrested' once for running up the street to get some food, they pull over near me and say i've 'TWOKed' a car. Ended up standing in a corner for an hour with no belt or shoes at the station, so me pants were falling down, then threw me in a cell for a few hours :<

Then my dad came and picked me up Wouldnt worry though Darksword, sure nothing will happen if you're innocent.

 

[Tilda]

I used Winfield and Jolowicz on Tort (Rogers). It was excellent. I've not looked at tort case law for 15 years (when I read it in my 2nd year). My advice: see a lawyer

BTW, my fee for that advice is £750. Just credit my FH a/c

P.S. If you've not already read it, read Haddock v Inland Revenue (Google it - its hilarious - about a man who tried to cash a cheque written on a cow)

GL !

Your more expensive than two partners at the firm I work at put together!

Also the Haddock thing is a fake.
It was written in a book by a law graduate who enjoyed writing stories where a man, Mr Haddock would get himself in a situation where he would be in court and the case would hinge on a critical legal point, such as, is an englishmans home really his castle, etc.
Cites:
http://www.phill.co.uk/comedy/cases/ and http://www.phill.co.uk/comedy/cases/list.html
http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a2_352b.html
http://www.snopes.com/business/bank/cowcheck.asp
Also not on lexis or westlaw

 

[Mey]

P.S. If you've not already read it, read Haddock v Inland Revenue (Google it - its hilarious - about a man who tried to cash a cheque written on a cow)GL !

What ever happened to the litigious Albert Haddock?

I’m so glad you finally asked.

After Haddock was successful in quashing a traffic ticket on the grounds ”that Magna Carta is no longer law” (but was fined costs of one pound for conducting his defense in rhymed Couplets”)(1) — and after he diabolically escaped punishment for printing crossword puzzles with answers libelous of The Bishop of Bowl. John Lickspittle, and others (the persons who completed the crossword puzzles were guilty of libel, not Haddock)(2) — Haddock (with some assistance from his creator, A.P. Herbert) confronted the Internal Revenue Service in The Case of the Promissory Cow: Board of Inland Revenue v. Haddoock.(3) Haddock and the Internal Revenue were involved in a bitter tax dispute (or, in the court’s words, they have “for many months in spite of earnest endeavors on both sides, been unable to establish harmonious relations”). Finally, “after an exchange of endearing letters,” the amount in dispute was reduced to 57 pounds. Then, the Collector of Taxes received a visit from a noisy crowd, attracted by the sight of Mr. Haddock, who was leading a large white cow of malevolent aspect.” Clearly stenciled in red ink on the back and sides of the cow were these words:

“To the London and Literary, Bank, Ltd. ‘Pay the Collector of taxes, who is no gentleman, or Order, the sum of 57 pounds (and may he rot!).’
L 57/0/0
Albert Haddock”

Haddock tendered the cow in payment of the income tax, but the Collector refused “objecting that it would be difficult or even impossible to pay the cow into the bank.” To this, Haddock “politely” suggested that the Collector could simply “endorse the cow to any third party to whom he owed money, adding that there must be many persons in that category. The results (and the charges):

“ ...The Collector then endeavored to endorse the check on the back of the check, that is to say on the abdomen of the cow. The cow, however, appeared to resent the endorsement and adopted a menacing posture. The Collector, abandoning the attempt, declined finally to take the check. Mr. Haddock led the cow away and was arrested in Trafalgar Square for causing an obstruction. He has also been summoned by the Board of Inland Revenue for nonpayment of income tax.

” In defense, Haddock argued that there was nothing in the ‘“statute or customary law to say that [a check must be written on a piece of paper of specified dimensions; indeed he himself had drawn checks on menus, napkins, and winebottle labels — all of which were duly honored and passed through the Bankers’ Clearing House.” Therefore, Haddock:

“ ... could see no distinction in law between a check written on a napkin and a check written on a cow. The essence of each document was a written order to pay money, made in the customary form and in accordance with statutory requirements as to stamps, etc. A check was admittedly not legal tender in the sense that it could not lawfully be refused; but it was accepted by custom as a legitimate form of payment. There were funds in his bank sufficient to meet the cow; the Commissioners might not like the cow, but, the cow having been tendered, they were stopped from charging him with failure to pay. (Mr. Haddock here cited Spowers v.The Strand Magazine, Lucas v. Finck, and Wadsworth v.The Metropolitan Water Board.)

“… Cross-examined as to motive, Haddock said that he had no check-forms available and, being anxious to meet his obligations promptly, had made use of the only material at hand. Later he admitted that there might have been present in his mind a desire to make the Collector of Taxes ridiculous. But why not? There was no law against deriding the income tax.”

As to his arrest for causing an obstruction, Haddock indignantly commented that “it was a nice thing if, in the heart of the commercial capital of the world, a man could not carry a negotiable instrument down the street without being arrested” — and he sued Constable Boot for false imprisonment.

The decision was rendered by Justice Basil String who —what a charmed life Haddock seemed to lead in his career as a litigant — was not particularly enamored with the Internal Revenue. He began by noting that this case involves “a citizen who is unusual both in his clarity of mind and integrity of behavior,” and then continued:

... The defendant, Mr. Haddock, repels arid resents the income tax, but since it has received the sanction of Parliament, he dutifully complies with it. Hampered by practical difficulties, he took the first steps he could to discharge his legal obligations to the State. Paper was not available, so he employed instead a favorite cow. Now, there can he nothing obscene, offensive, or derogatory in the presentation of a cow by one man to another. Indeed, in certain parts of our Empire the cow is venerated as a sacred animal. Payment in kind is the oldest form of payment, and payment in kind more often than not meant payment in cattle.... So that, whether the check was valid or not, it was impossible to doubt the validity of the cow; and whatever the Collector’s distrust of the former it was at least his duty to accept the latter and credit Mr. Haddock’s account with its value. But as Mr. Haddock protested in his able argument, an order to pay is an order to pay, whether it be made on the back of an envelope or on the back of a cow. The evidence of the bank is that Mr. Haddock’s account was in funds. From every point of view, therefore, the Collector of Taxes did wrong, by custom if not by law, in refusing to take the proffered animal.

As to the charge of causing an obstruction, Justice String first noted that the horse, “at the present time a much less useful animal than the cow,” constantly appears in the public street without protest — and that the motor car, “more unnatural and unattractive still,” is more numerous than either animal. Thus, he concluded:

“… It cannot be unlawful to conduct a cow through the London streets… Much less can the cow be regarded as an improper or unlawful companion when it is invested (as I have shown) with all the dignity of a bill of exchange.

If people choose to congregate in one place upon the apparition of Mr. Haddock with a promissory cow, then Constable Boot should arrest the people, not Mr. Haddock. Possibly, if Mr. Haddock had paraded Cockspur Street with a paper check for one million pounds made payable to the bearer, the crowd would have been as great, but that is not to say that Mr. Haddock would have broken the law. In my judgment Mr. Haddock has behaved throughout in the manner of a perfect knight, citizen and taxpayer. The charge brought by the Crown is dismissed; and I hope with all my heart that in his action against Constable Boot Mr. Haddock will be successful. What is the next case, please?”

http://www.texasbar.com/saywhat/weblog/buchmeyer_article_archive/mar86.asp

- LEGEND

 

[Ormorof]

Your more expensive than two partners at the firm I work at put together!

blimey, i thought people would pay a more for two partners... put together!

 

[Ezteq]

I would do this...

'You'll never take me alive copper!' RAT-A-TAT-TAT!

yeaaah and all the bobbies'll be looking around going "why the hell's this bloke stood there yelling RATTA TATT TATT at us?"


*chuckles at mental image*





*chuckles some more*

 

[Darksword]

well, went to the station today, turns out becuase im 17 im treated "as an adult" so my father couldnt sit in. no problem, called his solicitor and one came down.

The police didnt believe my story, which i can understand coz it does sound odd, but its what happened so.

Turns out this kid lost a mobile, a ipod, £70 and a coat. He is a retard, he left all this in his coat, and someone obviously went threw it + stole his coat. i had his phone outside, thinking it was my friends, turns out someone gave me the phone saying it was my friends and when this kid rang it he came up to me and i gave him his phone (After he proved it was his phone).

I did empty my pockets infront of him to prove i didnt have his money or ipod, something he or the police failed to mention until i did. all fucking stupid really.

good thing about having a solicitor there is when he started repeating "i dont believe you" i wasnt worried to say "well its what happened, it was 3 months ago and your asking me now to recall everything in perfect order" and she backed this up + asked on the tape that i already have 2-3 mp3 players and have had coutnless phones. the whole allegation is fucking stupid.

ive been released on bail till march, STUPID!!!

what i dont like is that the police treat me like a 5 year old and say whatever they want but as soon as my fathers there they accept what is said. when my father was there they even said that when they found out someone from my area and background was being accused it seemed odd anyway.

well hopefully this will all get sorted out and the kid will burn!

 

[Ingafgrinn Macabre]

well, went to the station today, turns out becuase im 17 im treated "as an adult" so my father couldnt sit in. no problem, called his solicitor and one came down.

The police didnt believe my story, which i can understand coz it does sound odd, but its what happened so.

Turns out this kid lost a mobile, a ipod, £70 and a coat. He is a retard, he left all this in his coat, and someone obviously went threw it + stole his coat. i had his phone outside, thinking it was my friends, turns out someone gave me the phone saying it was my friends and when this kid rang it he came up to me and i gave him his phone (After he proved it was his phone).

I did empty my pockets infront of him to prove i didnt have his money or ipod, something he or the police failed to mention until i did. all fucking stupid really.

good thing about having a solicitor there is when he started repeating "i dont believe you" i wasnt worried to say "well its what happened, it was 3 months ago and your asking me now to recall everything in perfect order" and she backed this up + asked on the tape that i already have 2-3 mp3 players and have had coutnless phones. the whole allegation is fucking stupid.

ive been released on bail till march, STUPID!!!

what i dont like is that the police treat me like a 5 year old and say whatever they want but as soon as my fathers there they accept what is said. when my father was there they even said that when they found out someone from my area and background was being accused it seemed odd anyway.

well hopefully this will all get sorted out and the kid will burn!

Well... I'm glad you're able to leave a follow-up on the story
and hey... It's the police. They think it's their job to not believe anyone

 

[Comos]

yeaaah and all the bobbies'll be looking around going "why the hell's this bloke stood there yelling RATTA TATT TATT at us?"


*chuckles at mental image*





*chuckles some more*

lol

In my mental image he jumped through a window of a 12 story building after that

 

[Marc]

The police visit you to tell you they will come back the next day to take you down the staion. First time ive ever heard a copper do that. Normally they cant wait to get you in the back of a meat wagon. As for having enough to charge you with. wtf??

 

[Lamp]

Your more expensive than two partners at the firm I work at put together!

Also the Haddock thing is a fake.
It was written in a book by a law graduate who enjoyed writing stories where a man, Mr Haddock would get himself in a situation where he would be in court and the case would hinge on a critical legal point, such as, is an englishmans home really his castle, etc.
Cites:
http://www.phill.co.uk/comedy/cases/ and http://www.phill.co.uk/comedy/cases/list.html
http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a2_352b.html
http://www.snopes.com/business/bank/cowcheck.asp
Also not on lexis or westlaw

We hired a senior partner from Allen & Overy to advise us (a leading European investment bank) on a derivatives issue. He came in for 2 hours. He billed us GBP 40,000.

Now that's a fee.

 

[Bahumat]

We hired a senior partner from Allen & Overy to advise us (a leading European investment bank) on a derivatives issue. He came in for 2 hours. He billed us GBP 40,000.

Now that's a fee.

i could of done it for 1,000 ok maybe my answer would be wrong but its alot cheaper

 

[Tilda]

We hired a senior partner from Allen & Overy to advise us (a leading European investment bank) on a derivatives issue. He came in for 2 hours. He billed us GBP 40,000.

Now that's a fee.

How much work had he done to prepare for those two hours though?
Also, give meh a summer placement

 

[Lamp]

How much work had he done to prepare for those two hours though?
Also, give meh a summer placement

He probably didn't need to prepare much at all to be honest. He's one of the leading industry expert. His take home salary is over £1m per annum.

(http://www.allenovery.com/

 

[Fana]

He probably didn't need to prepare much at all to be honest. He's one of the leading industry expert. His take home salary is over £1m per annum.

And this is a perfect example of how fucked up our world is.

 

[Darksword]

LEGAL HELP PLEASE!!!

since theres some law people here;

this kid who has had his stuff taken has now spoken to my friend, and has made up that i told the police that my friend stole his stuff (complete lie, i have no idea where his stuff is or who took it). This kid must have some sort of problem for spouting shit, and is expecting me to replace his items so he will drop the charges or whatever. What are my rights on this? should i take this to the police? he is lieing trying to get my friends to say that i stole his stuff or that they stole it or wahtever, i dont know but he is definatly just making trouble for me.

also anyway i can screw him over for slander or being a public nuisance or somethign that means he gets humiliated like i was? (finger printing, dna, and photo, being treated like a fucking criminal for something i havent even done) really, what do i have that i can get him with, i know it sounds petty, but at 17 i shouldnt be dragged through this shit by some kid who identified me as "some asian" and surrounded me with 6-7 of his friends all shotuing at me saying i had stole his stuff. oh and i had my room searched, which isnt much but i mean why dont i ahve the right to have him treated the same way?

 

[Elkie]

LEGAL HELP PLEASE!!!

since theres some law people here;

this kid who has had his stuff taken has now spoken to my friend, and has made up that i told the police that my friend stole his stuff (complete lie, i have no idea where his stuff is or who took it). This kid must have some sort of problem for spouting shit, and is expecting me to replace his items so he will drop the charges or whatever. What are my rights on this? should i take this to the police? he is lieing trying to get my friends to say that i stole his stuff or that they stole it or wahtever, i dont know but he is definatly just making trouble for me.

also anyway i can screw him over for slander or being a public nuisance or somethign that means he gets humiliated like i was? (finger printing, dna, and photo, being treated like a fucking criminal for something i havent even done) really, what do i have that i can get him with, i know it sounds petty, but at 17 i shouldnt be dragged through this shit by some kid who identified me as "some asian" and surrounded me with 6-7 of his friends all shotuing at me saying i had stole his stuff. oh and i had my room searched, which isnt much but i mean why dont i ahve the right to have him treated the same way?

The smartest way is the Chav way kk.. Knock the c*nt out

 

[Naffets]

The smartest way is the Chav way kk.. Knock the c*nt out

CHAV!

YOU FAIL YOUR TRAIL IN NATURAL SELECTION!!!!

(Kidding ofc )

 

[Tilda]

Assuming you've sorted stuff with your friend, personally i'd talk to your dads/your lawer first, however, i'd guess it would be good for your friend to go down there and confirm your story or something just so the police can see that he's shit stirring.

 

[Darksword]

The smartest way is the Chav way kk.. Knock the c*nt out

yeh, a few months down the line when its all died down, until then i want to make him feel like an arse. turns out he goes to my school, intimidating stares time!

 

[adoNix]

LEGAL HELP PLEASE!!!

since theres some law people here;

this kid who has had his stuff taken has now spoken to my friend, and has made up that i told the police that my friend stole his stuff (complete lie, i have no idea where his stuff is or who took it). This kid must have some sort of problem for spouting shit, and is expecting me to replace his items so he will drop the charges or whatever. What are my rights on this? should i take this to the police? he is lieing trying to get my friends to say that i stole his stuff or that they stole it or wahtever, i dont know but he is definatly just making trouble for me.

also anyway i can screw him over for slander or being a public nuisance or somethign that means he gets humiliated like i was? (finger printing, dna, and photo, being treated like a fucking criminal for something i havent even done) really, what do i have that i can get him with, i know it sounds petty, but at 17 i shouldnt be dragged through this shit by some kid who identified me as "some asian" and surrounded me with 6-7 of his friends all shotuing at me saying i had stole his stuff.

The same thing happened to me 2 years ago, me and 2 other mates were comming home from school and there was some little kids throwing snowballs on us and we walked down to tell them that it was annoying. 1 week later there was this huge thing about the police comming to my school and such for someone having beat up those children. I were like wtf? they took me and my mates for questioning and it turned out they had been lying to their father who reported it to the police. This also was printed in the local news paper. Evryone at school hated us. So we explained ourselves to the police and luckily they belived us. Then there was another report on us from the same retarded family that we had beaten up their 4 year old little girl, we went to check out the girl but she was running around in the school yard without any signs of voilence at all. This time i were left out and the police braught in my 2 mates, and there were 3 children (brothers and sisters) that was going to point out which one of them it was. And they pointed at a different person evry time so the police did drop the charges.

Trust me mate when i say that it really sucks. I wish you the best of luck.
I dont know anything about law tho

 

[Elkie]

yeh, a few months down the line when its all died down, until then i want to make him feel like an arse. turns out he goes to my school, intimidating stares time!

Naa geez best way to do it is make him scared of you (dont get your m8s involved if you dont want to make your self look like a wimp who gets his m8s to do evrything) as soon as you know that he really does not want to mess with you just knock him out...

 

[Darksword]

Assuming you've sorted stuff with your friend, personally i'd talk to your dads/your lawer first, however, i'd guess it would be good for your friend to go down there and confirm your story or something just so the police can see that he's shit stirring.

yeh going to tlak with father then probably solicitor, then tell police, they are planning to talk with my friend anyway to confirm what happened so.

 

[Ingafgrinn Macabre]

also press charges for slanter. Will atleast make the little prick pretty scared

 

[DocWolfe]

as far as I can see, the police have no evidence, what so ever...