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Beagle 2 Buggered???

Discussion in 'The Front Room' started by Stimpy, Dec 25, 2003.

  1. Stimpy

    Stimpy Fledgling Freddie

    Scientists have failed to pick up an expected signal from British-built spacecraft Beagle 2 telling them it has landed safely on Mars.

    Oh Dear :(

    Still a chance it could be ok but apparently if there is no signal by the end of the 26th it's basically screwed.

    News Link
     
  2. gmloki

    gmloki Can't get enough of FH

    Hopefully Jodrell Bank can pick something up when they go online
     
  3. Embattle

    Embattle Resident Freddy

    Bummer...all that way/time and for nothing it would seem :(
     
  4. dysfunction

    dysfunction FH is my second home FH Subscriber

    Well lets hope that when day dawns on Mars they will receive a signal from Beagle2. Apparantly they cant do anything untill day time.
     
  5. Tenko

    Tenko Fledgling Freddie

    Being a sad old Mars nut, I'm not confident but fingers crossed, eh?

    Awfully similiar to what happened to the Mars polar lander.

    Even if it hasn't worked there are still two NASA landers on route plus the european orbiter seems to be working a/ok so far.


    Its a demanding environment, interplanetary space.
     
  6. Tilda

    Tilda Moderator Moderator

    I hope it works, it would realy mess up your christmas day :(
    /edit, the BBC webby had something like, only 2 out of 33 probes sent to mars have acctually made it and worked

    Tilda
     
  7. Tenko

    Tenko Fledgling Freddie

    Out of 30 missions only 3 landed probes successfully?

    That figure is true but as not every mission HAD a lander its a little missleading :p

    The Americans have had 3/4 successful landings (I think), the Russians have had none. However there have been a few good orbitor missions as well.

    The problems with landing is that the distance means the whole thing has to be automated and perfect, plus if your not used to making interplanetary probes the violent take offs and heavy radiation can fry the thinglong before you even get there.

    Still, JPL are the daddies (When they're not arguing with NASA over Imperial/Metric measurements :p)
     
  8. Gray

    Gray Part of the furniture

    as i said in the other place

    I think it was the aliens! Theyre gonna start a MARS ATTAK!
     
  9. Maljonic

    Maljonic Can't get enough of FH

    we agree
     
  10. Quige

    Quige Fledgling Freddie

    Just spoke to me Mum, she's off to spend Christmas day with some friends, and 'he' aparently is involved in the project. He was hoping to be back by lunch for the whole Turkey-blowout shebang. Now it looks like he'll be staying until they find out whether it wakes up after the Martian night at about 22:00 GMT.
    Bummer.
     
  11. Tom

    Tom FH is my second home

    So long as the first transmission isn't something like:

    "DAK DAK DAK!!! DADAKDAKKK DAK!!! DAK DAK!!"
     
  12. worMatty

    worMatty One of Freddy's beloved

    "On Mars at day, if it works, well then whey."
     
  13. SFXman

    SFXman One of Freddy's beloved

    Heh, it would have been interesting to find out things about Mars... but let me quote myself in the other thread concerning the mission with Beagle 2:
    :kissit:
    Heh... I am a prophet :p
    Nah... just kidding, too bad it seems so far as if it failed in its mission. The scientists were quite sure that the possible sandstorms would not affect landing but I guess they did after all as I expected ;)
     
  14. ECA

    ECA FH is my second home

    Hmmm mars missions dont have very good luck!

    Maybe they have an underground civilization there and they destroy all our probes!

    *insert Wij joke*

    *Insert Wij*
     
  15. Delboy

    Delboy Loyal Freddie

    I guess the beagle merchandise wont be doing so well.

    I ordered a top and tie pin from them.
     
  16. Tom

    Tom FH is my second home

    [​IMG]

    ahem, thankyou, thankyou :D
     
  17. SFXman

    SFXman One of Freddy's beloved

    LOL!
    :clap:
    They probably just disabled the probe :p
     
  18. Embattle

    Embattle Resident Freddy

    Missions to other planets are always going to be problematic, you only have to look at the Viking mission to Mars which showed both the presence of life on Mars in its first test and then no life in the following test. The Venera missions to Venus also ran in to loads of problems, at least one got crushed by the super high pressure and two more suffered problems with lens caps with one lens cap melting to the camera and the other fell on the planet surface so when the testing equipment arm extend it ended up reading the chemical properties of the lens cap. Time didn't improve the results with the Galileo orbiter making it to Jupiter but having the back luck of the descent probe dropping between the clouds in Jupiter's atmosphere.

    The real issue isn't so much to do with money but more to do with time, not only the time it takes to travel to the planets but the time spent preparing these massive undertakings. If you look at the Cassini-Huygens mission then you have to consider that when it goes into orbit around Saturn in 2004 it will of been travelling for some 7 years and then if you add in the work/preparation for the spacecraft you have a serious amount of time. The first challenge is getting it to Saturn, the next getting it into orbit around Saturn, etc, etc, and ultimately getting the Huygens probe to the Titan surface (2005)....can you imagine all that time wasted if something fails and naturally money becomes a bigger issue once the mission fails :(
     
  19. Tom

    Tom FH is my second home

    Well the Viking tests were: test for presence of life; bake the sample; test again. The theory being that anything that produced a positive test in the first instance would be sizzled, and dead. The second test would confirm this, it was exactly the same as the first, but because the (life) would be dead, there would be no result. This all happened, and everyone thought YAY, but there are other ways of explaining the results, this is why they are inconclusive.

    The Russian probes to Venus were expected not to survive for very long, AFAIK there are only 2 pictures of the Venusian surface, both of them are pretty uninteresting.

    I don't know why we have all these problems, I mean, Dan Dare just jumps into Anastasia and whoosh hes off.
     
  20. Scooba da Bass

    Scooba da Bass Fledgling Freddie

    Ok.
     
  21. Clown

    Clown Part of the furniture

    Lose the lens flare.
     
  22. Embattle

    Embattle Resident Freddy

    This is true, although the first few just got creamed because they were not strong enough to withstand the increase in pressure as they fell through the atmosphere....the first one to survive this pressure was designed to hold out up to 180.

    Either way I don't hold out much hope for Beagle 2....sadly :(
     
  23. Quige

    Quige Fledgling Freddie

    The good thing about Beagle2 was that it didn't cost a lot as these things go. Given the dangers and problems at operating at such a distance, we need to be making a hell of a lot of cheaper probes, and chucking them out there, and let weight of numbers win out. Unless there is something seriously flawed with the landing concept, I expect they've just been unlucky this time. Send more!

    Of course if we had a proper ground to orbit lift capacity rather than these archaic 'rockets' we could be sending them out by the dozen :)

    Come on space elevator! http://www.isr.us/SEHome.asp
     
  24. Brynn

    Brynn Can't get enough of FH

    lol Beagle 2 clock might be fucked. Millenium bug almost 4 years later
     
  25. SFXman

    SFXman One of Freddy's beloved

    Looks mighty interesting. Have heard of it before...
    The video about the space elevator was quite interesting at first but damn did it feel corny :D
    "Finally, man may climb up a ribbon... to the stars..." :)
     
  26. Quige

    Quige Fledgling Freddie

    Yup, if they can crack the materials science/manufacture of the carbon nano-tube 'cable' that the elevators ride, and get it built, it'll revolutionise the costs of getting mass from earth to orbit.

    Of course it would be somewhat of a major terrorist target if they ever get it up there.

    I've always wondered what happened to the 'giant rail gun' accelerate to terminal escape velocity up the side of a mountain plan. Maybe the electrical costs are too steep until cheap fusion power comes along.
     
  27. Cyradix

    Cyradix FH is my second home

    Can't Bruce Willis just go kick the little green men in the **** and fix the little Beagle thingie?? ;)
     
  28. Tsjiep

    Tsjiep Loyal Freddie

    bummer
     
  29. Frizz

    Frizz Can't get enough of FH

    Thus saving the world from imminent destruction!
     
  30. caLLous

    caLLous FH is my second home

    I'd much prefer to see Bergerac try. :)
     

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