Beagle 2 Buggered???

Stimpy

Fledgling Freddie
Joined
Dec 22, 2003
Messages
674
Scientists have failed to pick up an expected signal from British-built spacecraft Beagle 2 telling them it has landed safely on Mars.

Oh Dear :(

Still a chance it could be ok but apparently if there is no signal by the end of the 26th it's basically screwed.

News Link
 

gmloki

Part of the furniture
Joined
Dec 22, 2003
Messages
578
Hopefully Jodrell Bank can pick something up when they go online
 

Embattle

FH is my second home
Joined
Dec 22, 2003
Messages
9,817
Bummer...all that way/time and for nothing it would seem :(
 

dysfunction

I am a FH squatter
FH Subscriber
Joined
Dec 22, 2003
Messages
9,015
Well lets hope that when day dawns on Mars they will receive a signal from Beagle2. Apparantly they cant do anything untill day time.
 

Tenko

Fledgling Freddie
Joined
Dec 22, 2003
Messages
279
Being a sad old Mars nut, I'm not confident but fingers crossed, eh?

Awfully similiar to what happened to the Mars polar lander.

Even if it hasn't worked there are still two NASA landers on route plus the european orbiter seems to be working a/ok so far.


Its a demanding environment, interplanetary space.
 

Tilda

Moderator
Moderator
Joined
Dec 22, 2003
Messages
5,755
I hope it works, it would realy mess up your christmas day :(
/edit, the BBC webby had something like, only 2 out of 33 probes sent to mars have acctually made it and worked

Tilda
 

Tenko

Fledgling Freddie
Joined
Dec 22, 2003
Messages
279
Out of 30 missions only 3 landed probes successfully?

That figure is true but as not every mission HAD a lander its a little missleading :p

The Americans have had 3/4 successful landings (I think), the Russians have had none. However there have been a few good orbitor missions as well.

The problems with landing is that the distance means the whole thing has to be automated and perfect, plus if your not used to making interplanetary probes the violent take offs and heavy radiation can fry the thinglong before you even get there.

Still, JPL are the daddies (When they're not arguing with NASA over Imperial/Metric measurements :p)
 

Gray

FH is my second home
Joined
Dec 25, 2003
Messages
3,126
as i said in the other place

I think it was the aliens! Theyre gonna start a MARS ATTAK!
 

Quige

Fledgling Freddie
Joined
Dec 22, 2003
Messages
118
Tilda said:
I hope it works, it would realy mess up your christmas day :(
Just spoke to me Mum, she's off to spend Christmas day with some friends, and 'he' aparently is involved in the project. He was hoping to be back by lunch for the whole Turkey-blowout shebang. Now it looks like he'll be staying until they find out whether it wakes up after the Martian night at about 22:00 GMT.
Bummer.
 

Tom

FH is my second home
Joined
Dec 22, 2003
Messages
15,991
So long as the first transmission isn't something like:

"DAK DAK DAK!!! DADAKDAKKK DAK!!! DAK DAK!!"
 

SFXman

Can't get enough of FH
Joined
Dec 22, 2003
Messages
312
Heh, it would have been interesting to find out things about Mars... but let me quote myself in the other thread concerning the mission with Beagle 2:
SFXman said:
I find it quite intriguing as to what Beagle 2 will find, if it even succeeds in landing (pff, the english ;))
:kissit:
Heh... I am a prophet :p
Nah... just kidding, too bad it seems so far as if it failed in its mission. The scientists were quite sure that the possible sandstorms would not affect landing but I guess they did after all as I expected ;)
 

ECA

I am a FH squatter
Joined
Dec 23, 2003
Messages
9,245
Hmmm mars missions dont have very good luck!

Maybe they have an underground civilization there and they destroy all our probes!

*insert Wij joke*

*Insert Wij*
 

Delboy

Loyal Freddie
Joined
Dec 22, 2003
Messages
64
I guess the beagle merchandise wont be doing so well.

I ordered a top and tie pin from them.
 

Embattle

FH is my second home
Joined
Dec 22, 2003
Messages
9,817
Missions to other planets are always going to be problematic, you only have to look at the Viking mission to Mars which showed both the presence of life on Mars in its first test and then no life in the following test. The Venera missions to Venus also ran in to loads of problems, at least one got crushed by the super high pressure and two more suffered problems with lens caps with one lens cap melting to the camera and the other fell on the planet surface so when the testing equipment arm extend it ended up reading the chemical properties of the lens cap. Time didn't improve the results with the Galileo orbiter making it to Jupiter but having the back luck of the descent probe dropping between the clouds in Jupiter's atmosphere.

The real issue isn't so much to do with money but more to do with time, not only the time it takes to travel to the planets but the time spent preparing these massive undertakings. If you look at the Cassini-Huygens mission then you have to consider that when it goes into orbit around Saturn in 2004 it will of been travelling for some 7 years and then if you add in the work/preparation for the spacecraft you have a serious amount of time. The first challenge is getting it to Saturn, the next getting it into orbit around Saturn, etc, etc, and ultimately getting the Huygens probe to the Titan surface (2005)....can you imagine all that time wasted if something fails and naturally money becomes a bigger issue once the mission fails :(
 

Tom

FH is my second home
Joined
Dec 22, 2003
Messages
15,991
Well the Viking tests were: test for presence of life; bake the sample; test again. The theory being that anything that produced a positive test in the first instance would be sizzled, and dead. The second test would confirm this, it was exactly the same as the first, but because the (life) would be dead, there would be no result. This all happened, and everyone thought YAY, but there are other ways of explaining the results, this is why they are inconclusive.

The Russian probes to Venus were expected not to survive for very long, AFAIK there are only 2 pictures of the Venusian surface, both of them are pretty uninteresting.

I don't know why we have all these problems, I mean, Dan Dare just jumps into Anastasia and whoosh hes off.
 

Scooba da Bass

Fledgling Freddie
Joined
Dec 23, 2003
Messages
500
Embattle said:
Missions to other planets are always going to be problematic, you only have to look at the Viking mission to Mars which showed both the presence of life on Mars in its first test and then no life in the following test. The Venera missions to Venus also ran in to loads of problems, at least one got crushed by the super high pressure and two more suffered problems with lens caps with one lens cap melting to the camera and the other fell on the planet surface so when the testing equipment arm extend it end up reading the chemical properties of the lens cap. Time didn't improve the results with the Galileo orbiter making it to Jupiter but having the back luck of the descent probe dropping between the clouds in Jupiter's atmosphere.

The real issue isn't so much to do with money but more to do with time, not only the time it takes to travel to the planets but the time spent preparing these massive undertakings. If you look at the Cassini-Huygens mission then you have to consider that when it goes into orbit around Saturn in 2004 it will of been travelling for some 7 years and then if you add in the work/preparation for the spacecraft you have a serious amount of time. The first challenge is getting it to Saturn, the next getting it into orbit around Saturn, etc, etc, and ultimately getting the Huygens probe to the Titan surface (2005)....can you imagine all that time wasted if something fails and naturally money becomes a bigger issue once the mission fails :(
Ok.
 

Embattle

FH is my second home
Joined
Dec 22, 2003
Messages
9,817
Tom said:
The Russian probes to Venus were expected not to survive for very long, AFAIK there are only 2 pictures of the Venusian surface, both of them are pretty uninteresting.
This is true, although the first few just got creamed because they were not strong enough to withstand the increase in pressure as they fell through the atmosphere....the first one to survive this pressure was designed to hold out up to 180.

Either way I don't hold out much hope for Beagle 2....sadly :(
 

Quige

Fledgling Freddie
Joined
Dec 22, 2003
Messages
118
The good thing about Beagle2 was that it didn't cost a lot as these things go. Given the dangers and problems at operating at such a distance, we need to be making a hell of a lot of cheaper probes, and chucking them out there, and let weight of numbers win out. Unless there is something seriously flawed with the landing concept, I expect they've just been unlucky this time. Send more!

Of course if we had a proper ground to orbit lift capacity rather than these archaic 'rockets' we could be sending them out by the dozen :)

Come on space elevator! http://www.isr.us/SEHome.asp
 

Brynn

Can't get enough of FH
Joined
Dec 22, 2003
Messages
3,261
lol Beagle 2 clock might be fucked. Millenium bug almost 4 years later
 

SFXman

Can't get enough of FH
Joined
Dec 22, 2003
Messages
312
Quige said:
Looks mighty interesting. Have heard of it before...
The video about the space elevator was quite interesting at first but damn did it feel corny :D
"Finally, man may climb up a ribbon... to the stars..." :)
 

Quige

Fledgling Freddie
Joined
Dec 22, 2003
Messages
118
SFXman said:
Looks mighty interesting. Have heard of it before...
The video about the space elevator was quite interesting at first but damn did it feel corny :D
"Finally, man may climb up a ribbon... to the stars..." :)
Yup, if they can crack the materials science/manufacture of the carbon nano-tube 'cable' that the elevators ride, and get it built, it'll revolutionise the costs of getting mass from earth to orbit.

Of course it would be somewhat of a major terrorist target if they ever get it up there.

I've always wondered what happened to the 'giant rail gun' accelerate to terminal escape velocity up the side of a mountain plan. Maybe the electrical costs are too steep until cheap fusion power comes along.
 

Cyradix

FH is my second home
Joined
Dec 22, 2003
Messages
2,128
Can't Bruce Willis just go kick the little green men in the **** and fix the little Beagle thingie?? ;)
 

Frizz

Can't get enough of FH
Joined
Dec 22, 2003
Messages
1,681
Cyradix said:
Can't Bruce Willis just go kick the little green men in the **** and fix the little Beagle thingie?? ;)
Thus saving the world from imminent destruction!
 

Users Who Are Viewing This Thread (Users: 0, Guests: 1)

Top Bottom