Bad Driving?

[Access Denied]

Why on earth do people who have no licence and cannot drive feel the need to criticize other peoples driving? I have a licence, and I don't drive any differently now than I did when I passed my test. My examiner obviously thought I was a good enough driver or they wouldn't have passed me. Since then however, my girlfriend has told me I'm reckless, (She has been driving longer and has her own way so that's ok) and so have two other people who don't actually know the first thing about driving. If you asked either of them what was involved in making a manual car move they wouldn't have a clue. It jusy really pisses me off. I don't scare my dad, I don't scare my mum or anyone else I know who has a licence.

Anybody else get the same thing?

 

[Lamp]

Nope

 

[Bugz]

When I actually have a chance to use my license I'll tell you

 

[old.Tohtori]

I don't drive either, don't have a license, but i do know wreckless driving when i see it.

The thing is, it's not jsut you in the car, you should, as a driver, make everyone in your car feel safe and if your girl is scared, would you rather keep your ways and keep her scared, or drive a bit slower/cautiously?

I'm not syaing you're a road-psycho, but the drivers rarely see how they drive as they "become one" with the car.

Being in control requires this, to be one with the car(corny but true) and when you are the car, or rather the car an extension of you, you don't notice how tight turns or fast straights you take.

 

[TdC]

tbh I *shock* agree with Toht here. I'd not like to sit next to myself when driving, though that is more for comfort value than safety imo. I know when I'm going to brake, give it the gas, turn, etc. I can figure that a pax wouldn't be as pleased as myself coming out of a tight turn.

 

[old.Tohtori]

tbh I *shock* agree with Toht here

Thanks. I feel so loved


Gwyneth paltrow drooling horniac

 

[Binky the Bomb]

Thing is, the people who DON'T drive will criticize your driving.... but your the first person they call when they need a lift, or moving furniture, or are stuck in a Welsh police station and need someone to come pick them up.

Fuckers.

Let them mouth off at your driving, you can always say "Sorry, I'm busy at the moment, cars unavailable". If I'm such a crap driver, then I shouldn't be on the road now should I. Now whose laughing?

But think of it this way, it would be worse if they where people who not only had a license, but had POINTS on it, and had picked up motoring fines due to shitty driving. That would be really fucking insulting.*

*= My aunt and her daughter live and drive in Ireland, and they both have the nerve to call me a crap driver. I have no points on my license, and have never wrapped a car around a lap-post, or repeatedly blow up a cars engine, or have three of them burst into flames, or park one on a hill and forget to make sure the hand break was on properly, or park on a designated turning circle for wagons (It backed into the car, the car was a then a convertible. It backed up further, it was then a pancake), or next to a traveller site (without turning the alarm on).
I could only wish that I was making this up, but they are the reason my Uncle now can't get insurance.

 

[old.Tohtori]

There are also those drivers who think they are gods gift to the roads, who are actually really close to roadnatics.

If someone you are driving thinks you're going too fast, or are driving dangerous, then most likely it's not simply a matter of "what the f*ck they know?"

As said, the driver is the last person to know how they are actually driving.

 

[Access Denied]

Like I said. My girlfriend says that I'm sometimes reckless. Doubtful but as Old.Tot says the person driving is too close to the action to really know. Mostly she complains that I go too fast, this usually means going at 40 in a 30 zone. This I do, however, I don't do this in a school zone or on residential streets and to be honest I don't really notice until she points it out, 40 is a comfortable speed for me. As for Old's comment I'll paste:

If someone you are driving thinks you're going too fast, or are driving dangerous, then most likely it's not simply a matter of "what the f*ck they know?"

Well this doesn't have any meaning to my post. I accept that my girlfriend has been driving longer and that she has her own way of driving. Plus since I got my licence I'm a bad passenger too =P My point was that people who cannot drive shouldn't criticize people who can since they don't have any experience.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Ah but i don't, for example, need to be driving to know that driving 40 on a 30 stretch is a clearcut sign of wreckless driving.

You are, wreckless. You may handle it, you may be well equipped to do so, but you still are. It's not a matter of where.

Thing is, it's critique, and those who can't take it at all, usually are making excuses like you are right now; "They don't drive, they don't know".

I don't need a phd in modern medicine to know that poking a needle in your eyes is a silly move.

You don't need to be trained in something to make an observation.

And honestly, if you drive like that all the time, congratulations on not killing anyone. Drive by the limits or get off the roads.

 

[Access Denied]

Ah I see. Well the legal definition of reckless driving may be doing anything other than the speed limit but allow my to show you the dictionary definition of rechlessness:

utterly unconcerned about the consequences of some action; without caution; careless (usually fol. by of): to be reckless of danger.

Going by the legal definition you are putting forth doing 80 on the motorway is reckless driving when for all intents and purposes it makes absolutely no difference at all. I go by the dictionary and my own definition of reckless driving. That being cutting people up, overtaking on blind bends, not looking where you are going, etc. Using those definitions I'm not a reckless driver because I do none of those.

 

[liloe]

I don't agree at all. Personally I drive fast when I can, but I keep my distances and don't drive like a madman. I know what I can do and even though I'm not that old, I've done my fair share of kilometers on the road. The only time I was close to an accident, was the day when some idiot didn't see me and nearly changed to the left lane … I was driving like 110 km/h out of 100 allowed, so not really fast. Usually I prefer driving at night cause then I'm more likely to be alone on the road and can go faster than during daytimes. Tbh, I drive much slower during daytimes cause if there's one thing I hate, it's tailgating.

If someone doesn't like my driving style then they can go by foot, end of the story. I'm a nice bloke and if someone asks me, I will drive them around, but then it's at my conditions and up to now, nobody did argue. I take care of my passengers and I will not shake them around, but I'm not gonna go slow for them.

There is one thing I always do and ppl hate it: I curse like mad when I enter a car. ONE time in my life I took a friend of mine home and I tried to behave cause I didn't know her for so long back then. So we're entering her hometown right behind some grandpa driving 30 km/h. I did behave and all of sudden I hear a "C'mon you slowass" from my right. I sweared … never again will I try to behave

Moral of the story? As long as you're not a crazy idiot or endanger the lives of others, drive your style and let others either accept it or walk

 

[old.Tohtori]

Ah I see. Well the legal definition of reckless driving may be doing anything other than the speed limit but allow my to show you the dictionary definition of rechlessness:

utterly unconcerned about the consequences of some action; without caution; careless (usually fol. by of): to be reckless of danger.

Going by the legal definition you are putting forth doing 80 on the motorway is reckless driving when for all intents and purposes it makes absolutely no difference at all. I go by the dictionary and my own definition of reckless driving. That being cutting people up, overtaking on blind bends, not looking where you are going, etc. Using those definitions I'm not a reckless driver because I do none of those.

Yeah i get it, you're not wreckless by a book definition, but you go over the limit all the time 'cause "it's comfortable for you". And you see nothing wrong with that.

That's, dangerous driving.

The problem wiht most drivers is just this; "my road!". And whn you add a 2-3 ton car into the equation...

You may not agree, but when it comes to operating anything that weighs more then 10 people, i tend to side with the law.

 

[Ingafgrinn Macabre]

Yeah i get it, you're not wreckless by a book definition, but you go over the limit all the time 'cause "it's comfortable for you". And you see nothing wrong with that.

That's, dangerous driving.

The problem wiht most drivers is just this; "my road!". And whn you add a 2-3 ton car into the equation...

You may not agree, but when it comes to operating anything that weighs more then 10 people, i tend to side with the law.

There are situations though toht where driving 10km under the limit is still reckless driving. Like on curvy roads. Similarly there are locations where you can easily drive 20 over, and it's still not dangerous in any way.
There's a road here in the area that's by all means of construction a highway, where there's barely any traffic, and there's still a 50km limit. Needless to say, almost noone drives 50 there. 70 minimum.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Like i said, by all means, people can drive that fast, as in are able, they can control it, they can...but, when/if you do get into an accident, that 10km "tiny" speed increase...well...without it is better.

Just don't see why people are in such a hurry. And they are.

Is being 5 minutes later where you're going really worth the risks?

Driving over the limit, taking "personal shortcuts" in roadrules...not good in my book.

 

[Access Denied]

The year speed cameras were first introduced they raised about £74 Million and yet the accident rate stayed exactly the same. In fact, only 7% of accidents are caused by speed and you can bet that around 5& of those were caused by people going way too fast. Like I said before, I don't break the speed limit in school zones nore on residential streets but on open A roads and main roads I do creep up to 40 without knowing it, not only because it's a comfortable speed for me but because it's a comfortable speed for the car to be doing. I consider myself to be a lot safer doing 40 than I would sticking to 30 because I would be checking my speed so much I wouldn't be paying enough attention to the road and that would be dangerous driving. 7%. That leaves 93% of accidents to be caused by idiotic twats and for pure accidents.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Doesn't remove the fact that if/when you get into a crash, cause irrelevant(never said speed caused the accidents), that you'd wish you'd be going 30 instead of 40.

In a collision, for example with a tree, that's...what...700kg more force on your and your passengers body? Twice that in a head-on.

That extra force, from simple 10mph more speed, becomes a matter of life and death real quick.

 

[Access Denied]

I'm not discounting the possibilty of an accident and nor am I saying that I'm right to speed, I'm not. I also didn't say the people who can't drive criticize me for speeding =P They criicize me for apparently going round corners too fast, moving out into roads and onto roundabouts in an apparantly reckless manner and being too close to cars parked on the side of the road. That's what pisses me off. I go round corners at the speeds I was taught by my instructor, the same with roundabouts and the cars parked along the side of the road. It's all about experience and confidence. I only passed my test in March but I have been driving on my provisional for going on 7 years. if I see a gap when turning out of a road or moving out onto a roundabout that I know I can make I'll go for it. I don't take stupid risks but at the same time I don't need to wait until the road is absolutely clear. I also know the width of my car, so when I approach the width restriction near where I used to live I don't slow down from the speed limit of 40 on that road because I know my car will go through no problem. Like I said, it's all experience and confidence and people who can't drive won't have either of those things until they can and do on a daily basis and therefor can't judge me.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Alright, that's fair enough. I might have a chip on my shoulder about speeding, may have been a bit harsh. Apologies if it was taken as too offensive.

Just want to remind, that if many people say the same thing, there's usually an ounce of truth in there, worth considering.

 

[Access Denied]

Fair enough. You're right, speeding is bad. 3 people though, two of whom can't drive and one who has a licence but hasn't driven in almost 30 years and is too scared to. And don't worry, I don't take offense to most things people say on the internet, it's like getting worked up because a cat gives you a dirty look =P

 

[old.Tohtori]

Fair enough. You're right, speeding is bad. 3 people though, two of whom can't drive and one who has a licence but hasn't driven in almost 30 years and is too scared to. And don't worry, I don't take offense to most things people say on the internet, it's like getting worked up because a cat gives you a dirty look =P

*loads shotgun*

Which cat?

 

[Edmond]

The guy i work with is a terrible passenger, he is always stamping his foot on his imaginary brake on the floor in front of him, and say things like 'brake, brake' and 'phew that was close' when i can clearly see whats ahead of me and when i need to brake, drives me mad

He does drive, and takes the van home at night, but the first thing he does in the morning is hand me the keys. I did tell him once that he would have to drive for the day cos i felt a bit rough, and he looked at me like i had just shit on his grandmother

 

[Dukat]

I'm a biker, I've never had a passenger, and I never want to have one

The idea of someone sitting on the back of my bike and passing judgement on how I ride is mildly annoying, it would be bad enough if they werent a biker, and worse still if they hadnt even driven a car before.

I dont know why I feel like this, but theres something personal about going out on my bike, I find it calms me right down every time I go out, to have someone interfering with that just seems wrong somehow.

I dont know why, but I cant imagine driving a car with someone nattering away in the front passenger seat, just doesnt feel right for some reason.

 

[liloe]

Like i said, by all means, people can drive that fast, as in are able, they can control it, they can...but, when/if you do get into an accident, that 10km "tiny" speed increase...well...without it is better.

Just don't see why people are in such a hurry. And they are.

Is being 5 minutes later where you're going really worth the risks?

Driving over the limit, taking "personal shortcuts" in roadrules...not good in my book.

It's not about being there faster, it's about the fun =)

 

[Cerb]

Ive had much the same thing happen to me once or twice and while i will openly admit that i drive fast (above the speed limit most of the time-ya im a bad person sue me) i wouldn't say any other part of my driving (admittedly thats a big part) is reckless but any time someone has complained who doesnt know what theyre talking about i just end the conversation right there with "come back and talk to me when you have your licence until then shut u or get out"

 

[soze]

I get stick for roundabouts, if i can see whats coming and its clear and the roundabout can be done at 20 why do i need to slow down to 5 - 10 just to drive round it. I hate people who stop at every roundabout when there is no need. My Nan is the worst back seat driver in the world always telling you what the speed limit is even when you are 10 mph under it every corner is too fast windscreen wippers should be on all the time. Its a right pain.

Speed cameras as they are currently use in England are pointless you have to be told 1 mils and 1/3 of a mile before the camera and it has to be visable so twats speed slow down and speed again. Average speed cameras or hidden speed camers are the only way you will slow down drivers using cameras.

 

[Chronictank]

I get stick for roundabouts, if i can see whats coming and its clear and the roundabout can be done at 20 why do i need to slow down to 5 - 10 just to drive round it. I hate people who stop at every roundabout when there is no need.

You slow at roundabouts because more often than not you cant see down the ajoining roads, if you met someone equally reckless you increase the chances for an accident

And if speed limits were set at reasonable limits instead of archaic and outdated numbers which may aswell just be arbitratrily plucked out the air, most people wouldn't feel the need to go faster

 

[old.Tohtori]

You slow at roundabouts because more often than not you cant see down the ajoining roads, if you met someone equally reckless you increase the chances for an accident

Aye, if everybody drove that "extra comfortable 10 mph" more, it would be a tad more dangerous out there.

 

[soze]

You slow at roundabouts because more often than not you cant see down the ajoining roads, if you met someone equally reckless you increase the chances for an accident

And if speed limits were set at reasonable limits instead of archaic and outdated numbers which may aswell just be arbitratrily plucked out the air, most people wouldn't feel the need to go faster

I said where i can see i did not say i go round blind roundabouts without slowing. Too many people slow right down at a roundabout because they think they should where if you can see far enough round and nothing is coming there is no need to go so slow.

And 30 = 80% chance life 40 = 80% chance death has always been fine with me. The speeds are not just about how safe you can drive down a given road in any condition but also chances to people at the side of the road ect. I understand people bitching about motorways and dual carriageways but not residential areas if there is a chance of kids and or pissed people walking in the road 30 should be it.

 

[Chronictank]

I said where i can see i did not say i go round blind roundabouts without slowing. Too many people slow right down at a roundabout because they think they should where if you can see far enough round and nothing is coming there is no need to go so slow.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with them siding on the eire of caution.
On top of that i commend them for realising their limits and not going faster than they are comfortable jsut because there is a impatient driver behind them

And 30 = 80% chance life 40 = 80% chance death has always been fine with me. The speeds are not just about how safe you can drive down a given road in any condition but also chances to people at the side of the road ect. I understand people bitching about motorways and dual carriageways but not residential areas if there is a chance of kids and or pissed people walking in the road 30 should be it.

I didn't mention what roads i jsut said the speed limits needed revising, and i agree with you about residential zones i was talking more about motorways and dual carrige ways