Back-door action?

[Scouse]

Remote searches of suspect computers will form part of an EU plan to tackle hi-tech crime

Remote searches?

This wouldn't be possible without a whole host of dirty back-door tricks. There've been rumours that M$ OS's have back doors built-in for governmental use, but they'd also need back doors through all sorts of routers and firewalls too.

Or do we just think the beeb's full of shit? Anyway, I was interested by this also:

half of all internet crime involves the production, distribution and sale of child pornography

Half? Surely that would mean that there's not actually that much 'internet crime' then??

 

[dysfunction]

Half? Surely that would mean that there's not actually that much 'internet crime' then??

I'd be more inclined to be thinking there is rather of a lot of child porn criminals about

 

[Scouse]

I'd be more inclined to be thinking there is rather of a lot of child porn criminals about

I just can't see it. Child abuse in the UK is now at half the level it was in the 1950's (according to the government anyway).

And if it was that rife then surely everyone would have stumbled across it by accident at least once. I don't know anyone who has. Ever...


...and your post makes not much sense now you've changed it Dys.

 

[dysfunction]

Yes maybe in the UK child abuse has dropped but internet crime isn't restricted to just the UK.

And I don't suppose many people would be searching for the words "Child" and "Porn" in your everyday googling...

 

[DaGaffer]

"Half" by what measure? Value? Volume? Degree of unpleasantness? Looks like the "we just made that up" school of statistics to me.

 

[Scouse]

I don't suppose many people would be searching for the words "Child" and "Porn" in your everyday googling...

Nearly every internet user has used "porn" as a search term, so surely we'd all know someone that had accidentaly come across it, even just once...

My point is, if this "half" figure is remotely true (which I doubt) then "internet crime" is nowhere near as serious as the authorities make out - 'cause there's pretty much "fuck" and "all" child porn knocking about (despite what our "news" services would have us believe). Probably 0.00001% of internet users have ever seen it...

Anyway. Fancy commenting on the "back-door" side of the post?

 

[`mongoose]

From what I understand it's far more serious than we realise.

I read an article about 3 years ago with interviews with some of the police who've been working in child porn prosecutions. One FBI agent said they looked for clues, a car moving past, a license plate, anything that could give them an idea as to who was holding the child and where they were holding them. They cited cases of the same child being abused in the same room over the course of 3-4 years and they've not been able to trace them yet.

it was a sobering and horrifying read but my concern remains. How long before some nanny state puritan decides that we shouldn't be allowed to watch pron comes along and 40% of the country find themselves classified as sexual deviants and unable to work as teachers, policemen, nurses etc etc etc

In an ideal world I'd give them the access (yes I look at pron, the best thing on the net is the free pron ffs!) - the way this country's going I know I couldn't trust them, (them in this instance are the authorities. The police, the fuckwits that we elect thinking they'll do a marginally less shit job than the last fuckwit we elected and those they employ to keep their fat faces feeding at the trough for as long as they can).

M

 

[dysfunction]

Nearly every internet user has used "porn" as a search term, so surely we'd all know someone that had accidentaly come across it, even just once...

My point is, if this "half" figure is remotely true (which I doubt) then "internet crime" is nowhere near as serious as the authorities make out - 'cause there's pretty much "fuck" and "all" child porn knocking about. Probably 0.00001% of internet users have ever seen it...

Anyway. Fancy commenting on the "back-door" side of the post?

I owuld think a child porn criminal would try their hardest to hide child porn from a general porn seacrh. If they didnt they would be on of the dumbest cyber criminals ever!


I have no comment on your so called "back-door" side because the article did not define what that actually means...so without any further real detail it may well mount to nothing!

 

[DaGaffer]

Anyway. Fancy commenting on the "back-door" side of the post?

I'm not even sure what they mean by "remote searches" in this context. Do they actually mean actually cracking into people's PCs or do they mean snooping at the network level or what? Its very vague.

As for the half of all online crime thing; given that Spam is a crime, botnets are a crime, 404 scams are a crime, phishing is a crime, DDOS attacks are a crime, online retail fraud is a crime (and one the cops in the UK won't even investigate until its at least £20K of orders by an individual or group against a retailer because there's so much of it) and in many European countries and the US, online gambling is a crime; then if child porn represents the same amount of crime as all of that lot put together (by volume or value), then its fucking huge; billions (if not trillions if you add in online gambling) of dollars. Sorry, I just don't believe it.

 

[Scouse]

Sorry, I just don't believe it.

Yep, I don't believe it either. It's prolly just the beeb talking shit (as usual). But they do say:

Police forces will be remotely searching hard drives

On the link to the story on the tech page. If it's possible then they need access through routers and a backdoor through M$ security...

 

[TdC]

Yep, I don't believe it either. It's prolly just the beeb talking shit (as usual). But they do say:

Police forces will be remotely searching hard drives

On the link to the story on the tech page. If it's possible then they need access through routers and a backdoor through M$ security...

how? unless it will start as a service that listens on a port that is open or can be opened remotely, and/or makes a sustained connection to some server. if that ever happens I am mailing my copy of Vista back to BillG.

 

[Raven]

Its the BBC, its about as reliable as the Sun.

 

[ECA]

Its the BBC, its about as reliable as the Sun.

Oh come on, you can't be serious.





















The sun is FAR more absorbent.

 

[kirennia]

Simple mind games really. Saying it accounts for 50% which is pure bullshit based on illegal music downloads, a shit load of the population have done at least once in their life.

Now think about those who don't really know much about computers, think about how many over 50's really use the internet and how much % of the population they take up. Then consider that if they try to post a bill which allows this they'll get large public backing from people who actually beleive this. As soon as child pornography is mentioned and a way to combat it, instinctive reaction from people is to agree, even with methods they don't completely understand.

I agree it needs to be tackled but this is just one of many instances which have been suggested recently which presume people guilty until proven innocent... is that really democratic? Even if it doesn't get passed, the fact that taking away civil liberties like this is even on the table suggests eventually laws like this will end up getting put through.

 

[Chilly]

The Sun or the sun?

Very different connotations

 

[rynnor]

Back on the original point they wouldnt neccesarily need back doors as pc's in botnets used by spammers etc. are probably unsecured anyway so would be easy for the authorities to get onto.

 

[TdC]

ah, but knowing where stuff is, is mêh. knowing where it came from and where it's going is far more significant tbh.

 

[mank!]

i love a bit of back-door action

call me!

 

[old.Tohtori]

Nothing new, the government has been riding our backdoors for ages

 

[Chilly]

it would only catch the noobs. I am quite capable of securing my PC using a firewall that the government has ZERO chance of penetrating, no matter how many laws they pass. If my ports are closed, they are closed.

 

[dysfunction]

Ah but what if there is an unknown port that only the government know about eh eh eh??

You'll have to wrap your PC in tin foil!!

 

[TdC]

for that noobeling comment I ought to give you the speshul infraction, Dys