B.Gs Good ? Bad ?

[Heish]

Originally posted by Eleasias
What does that actually have to do what Morsan said? There are lots of level 47-50 people who will just go to the low level BG's with their wannabe l337 infils/scouts/minstrels instead of playing with their level 50 mains (EVEN if they are "RvR viable" chars) = people are either forced to make alts and abandon their mains, or quit because of boredom. (Personally I'm starting an alt somewhere next week, and wont be playing my ranger in a while I think )

You -are- saying that BG's is a bad thing, right? Since everyone aparently will create alts just to do what they already do in emain. But who is killing RvR in emain, those that will still go there for a while(till they notice it gets empty) or those that give up before BG's even go live thus making the reason they give up for come true.

 

[tilde]

Everyone will try out their alt for a week or two, then they will go back to their main. Simple as clear

This is not that important, whats important is the ETA on 1.50 from GOA! If it overrides 2-3months, then i think many ppl will leave.

 

[Heish]

Seing as GOA said sometime during the beta that once DAoC went live we would be at 1.45 and by looking at the time it took them to get even near completing the translation of 1.48 I think we'll have to wait.

 

[cadiva]

Re: Re: Eleasias

Originally posted by Eleasias
I've got nothing against people under level 40 doing RvR in BG's, but when level 47+ people abandon their mains to play alts in BG's = less high level RvR (and it isnt excactly good as it is) = boredom.

So you are, in fact then, saying you don't think people under 40 should be able to RvR because what you just said above is that people over that level will make alts to fight in the BGs, thereby taking away their characters over 40+ that you are currently fighting in Emain and the other high level RvR areas and making RvR boring for you?

Well for those of us who have neither the desire nor the time to powerlevel our way to 50 so we can go out and oneshot and gank greens and greys in Emain etc, the Battlegrounds provide a perfect place to play around, test out skills, work out how best our groups should hunt and just generally have a bloody good laugh playing kill or be killed with people of our own level.

i'm really really sorry if all the level 50 people have now run out of smaller people to fight and kill because they've all gone off to play in the battlegrounds
Now, I'm certainly not accusing you of going round one-shotting greys and greens Eleasias but your post does rather make it sound like you've spat your dummy out cos you have no-one left to fight with.

 

[Eleasias]

How hard is it to understand? I dont care if the greys/greens go to BG's, but when the blues/yellows start going to BG's with their max twinked alts, it gets boring for the people who still want to RvR in Emain. It's roughly 30 people in Hibernia who actually RvR daily, half of them are grays and now they will be gone too, the high level people will get bored and will roll alts! This makes RvR even MORE boring (trust me, it's crap 6 nights in a week already) and in the end the RvR will be very, very crap.

 

[Eleasias]

Re: Re: Re: Eleasias

Oh and btw, how did you get this:

Originally posted by Eleasias
I've got nothing against people under level 40 doing RvR in BG's,

to

Originally posted by Cadiva
So you are, in fact then, saying you don't think people under 40 should be able to RvR

And it's not just "boring for me" when EVERYONE in IRC / other realms agrees that RvR is mostly boring for lack of people :/ (more of a problem in Mid/Hib)

 

[old.Gage]

Good point Cadiva. I couldn't agree more.

And I dont see why people should abandon their mains and play lover level alts. Sure, some might take a paus now and then and play with their alts in the BG's and exp with them, just to have a new class to RvR with.

But I really doubt people will stop playing their mains for good and "real" RvR in Emain etc. will die out.

I see the BG's as a good thing, and I think it'll make leveling from level 20-35 alot "easier". Right now, the only thing you can do is exping, exping and crafting. Since you can't relax, head out to do some RvR and get your mind of the exping and have some fun other than monster bashing, you'll prolly get killed by a higher level player in a hit or two and the whole trip was pointless.

With the BG's you can take a paus and have fun with players around the same level as you are. You dont have to get to level 45+ to have fun and play the game as it's suposed to be played.

 

[Eleasias]

Originally posted by Gage
But I really doubt people will stop playing their mains for good and "real" RvR in Emain etc. will die out.

Just ask the level 50 paladins or armsmen, if they would rather go play a level 24 infil in the BG's instead of standing at AMG in Emain for 2 hours. There are loads of people who arent excactly RvR classes, and will just roll an infil/scout to play in the BG's. Also BG's will naturally have more people than the high level battle grounds, because there are more lower level people, so you can just log in, gate to BG and start having fun instead of standing in Emain for 5 hours without seeing more than 10 enemies :/

 

[old.Gage]

It's the fact that tank clsses mostly suck in RvR.

The level 50 armsman or paladin that would abandon their char for a lover level alt just to play in the BG's would prolly have abandoned it sooner or later anyway or quited DAoC for good when they got bored enough.

The BG's will just make them go restart sooner and let them have some fun and play up their alt with the possibility to RvR during the way.

And with time new people will come up to level 35+ and leave the BG's, even if they want it or not and the "regular" RvR will get people again, but maybe this time people that have a char they like and want to play, hopefully.

But I see your point Eleasias.

 

[old.Grymshadow]

Originally posted by Eleasias
Just ask the level 50 paladins or armsmen, if they would rather go play a level 24 infil in the BG's instead of standing at AMG in Emain for 2 hours. There are loads of people who arent excactly RvR classes, and will just roll an infil/scout to play in the BG's. Also BG's will naturally have more people than the high level battle grounds, because there are more lower level people, so you can just log in, gate to BG and start having fun instead of standing in Emain for 5 hours without seeing more than 10 enemies :/

Emain is basically a high level BG anyway, just with purple weapons and black armour.
So what if people want to play alts on the lower level Bg's? Go raid a few keeps or stage a relic attempt, I'm pretty sure all those with high level mains will log on straight away to defend, and you'll have all the RvR you want.

 

[tilde]

Melee will be fixed and focused on in patch 1.51<, so there's a big reason why ppl prefer bg's

So, in short terms: melee sucks atm

 

[Marcus75]

Eleasias:



Don't you think it's a good thing with BGs in the long run?

Players with lowbie mains will play around there and, as you say, some with highlevel mains will also go there with alts. But the important thing is that the ones with low mains will enjoy the fun of RvR and after a while they will be kicked out forcing them to advance in levels to the next BG and so on. When they can't play BGs any more then some will drop I'm sure but I also think that lots will miss the fun of the BGs thus motivating them to level their chars just to be able to join the big guys and gals.

In my opinion these BGs is THE thing that will make the game survive here in GOA-land (Europe) until Darkness Falls pops up out of nowhere. When THAT happens then we should see lots of people with highlevel chars that is dying to go kill hibs/albs/mids that run around looking for über-loot.

Yes,,,you bad boys will perhaps have less to do for a while but as you apparently plan to make an alt yourself then your mains can rest until the true RvR comes to life again, either in Darkness Falls or in Emain.

That's what I think at least.

 

[cadiva]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Eleasias

It would be when you said

but when level 47+ people abandon their mains to play alts in BG's = less high level RvR (and it isnt excactly good as it is) = boredom.

Can you understand that quote?

I thought that was rather obvious? Using the word but means you have a rider to add to your statement, in your case that the less over 40+ people in Emain, the less RvR fun for you.

Perhaps the rest of us don't actually care that some of you lvl 50 peeps are getting bored in RvR cos we're too busy having fun with our lvl 24 guys in Thidranki!

PS: Gage you git, I'm sure you've killed me at least three times in BGs so far
I would strongly recommend anyone with a character between 20 and 24 to pop up to Svasud and catch the pod to Thidranki, it's the best fun ever even if the Albies do own the central keep at the min.

 

[old.¥ØÐÄ]

ele if rvr sucks so bad atm why do you still seem to be rolling in the rp's ? obviously there is still a lot of high lvl players in emain ,

i see both sides of this arguement . but bg's are as i stated above the best fun ive ever had in rvr ..

also IF bgs are bad for emain why dont we see the americans complain about it . from the threads ive read on american server boards . they all say BGs are awesome ,the high lvls say emain rvr is the best its been because all the lower lvl people who ussually get in the way etc etc aint there no more and if they are they in small numbers.

as somebody said above this game is about having fun , and people who dont have time/intentions of spending all there social life lvling to 45+ "which imo is the only viable lvl these days" . in the bg's there is awesome fun for all to be had , i sure as hell if you made a alt and tried bg's you would think they were awesome . not much running " because the bg area aint to big" no huge armys . and from what ive seen so far good sportsmanship on behalf of enemys "no exp killing . rez killing" lots of /salutes /bows EVEN duels ive seen people having . maybe you should try it before you knock it .. if people dont want to lvl to 45+ they aint gonna lvl up , period.

as about the high lvls making alts to play in bg's imo thats got nothing to do with bg's if somebody gets to lvl 50 and goes to emain reguler what you expec them to do ? not explore any other chars for themselves .. just a quick question ele .. do you have any alts ? im sure 99% of the lvl 47+ have an alt somewhere . and it wouldnt really matter if they lvling an alt for the bg or just for the hell of playing that particuler char ., they still aint gona gto emain if bg's weren't here because they would lvl there alt anyway .

imo any body who ONLY has 1 char gets it to 50 and spends all the rest of his time in emain doing rvr needs to get a reality check because there are plenty of things to do except rvr . lvling alts / doin quests / trade skills . helping friends . item hunting .

 

[old.LaKKe]

hmm

BGs,is that on Gorre??

 

[Madonion Slicer]

Well spent 13Hours on the BG 20-24 on Saturday and quite a few on Sunday and it was a blast, best fun i have had in the game, knock 162rp, so i hope the limit is not too low.

Cant wait to get back home from work and get in there again, Watch out for the guy in black shooting the fireballs........it's me.

 

[cadiva]

Originally posted by old.laughingboy
Well spent 13Hours on the BG 20-24 on Saturday and quite a few on Sunday and it was a blast, best fun i have had in the game, knock 162rp, so i hope the limit is not too low.

Cant wait to get back home from work and get in there again, Watch out for the guy in black shooting the fireballs........it's me.

MadCarrot you swine, I was that kobold shammie you were firing them bolts at!
Have to agree with you though, I've been playing in Thidranki since Friday night, have spent about 3 gold on horse rides from Hugg up to Svas and the battlefields medallion itself and it's been bloody well spent.

My only prob now is at at 182rps I'm worrying that I'll be hitting the level limit too soon for more fun.

Best laugh for me was when there were four of us just outside our pk and there was about 7 of you guys and we were all just stood there doing nothing with a bit of a stalemate and then we got our other 6 reinforcements and charged the lot of you back to Mid bridge - priceless!