auto training is bad manner?

[fade2grey]

Ok guys, im not forcing anyone to "carry me" or saying its unfair that they dont party with me, i always tell people up front that my char has low chants, 90% of the time people say its ok and just get on with it. Im not limited to just being a chant machine and ive already outlined what other good things i can bring to a group.

Omniscieous, i have plenty of fun with my character minus the time that made me start this thread, who are you to tell me how i should or shouldnt play a game? i pay my monthy fee just like you do right? I have a 24 armsman that was my first character, and im having way more fun with this pally... because im taking it nice and slow, doing the quests, exploring all the zones etc.

This probably sounds arragant, but i am not worried about my skill in RvR. Ive played a lot of other games to high standards that certainly require a lot more skill than any MMORPG does, my mouse and keyboard speed is good enough to manage im sure. So i twist and style... how hard can it be? No MMORPG is gonna take more mouse skill than CS does, or take more strategy than Starcraft/Warcraft does. The only strategy seems to be knowing when to fight and when to run, and then when you do fight a group, which ones to take down first (healers/casters)... i may be new to DAoC but im not new to games, and its hardly revolutionary stuff here.

The point is, you can pick all this stuff up AFTER youve made a really well built (autotrained) character, but you cant do it the other way around, unless you want to ding two 50's of the same class. Thats why i do it this way.

-Fade2Grey-

 

[Jonaldo]

Originally posted by fade2grey
Omniscieous, i have plenty of fun with my character minus the time that made me start this thread, who are you to tell me how i should or shouldnt play a game? i pay my monthy fee just like you do right? I have a 24 armsman that was my first character, and im having way more fun with this pally... because im taking it nice and slow, doing the quests, exploring all the zones etc.

True, I was only stating my opinion, which is always the right one
I've seen so many posts from people saying 'I pay my fees so I play how I want', to this I say fair enough but don't forget it's not just you, it's a group game and larger than that a realm game. Everything you do can affect others in some way.

For an example, I play 5-a-side football every week, what if one week I turned up and said 'I pay my money so I'll do what I want' and purposely just kicked the ball away and in my own goal and stuff. I think everyone else may not appreciate it so much. This is maybe a bit extreme but is also the same principle.
In short, yes you pay to play and have fun, but you're supposed to play as a team and a realm and sometimes that may even require you not doing *exactly* what you want all of the time.

Again this is just my opinion, and everyone is welcome to their own opinion of course, just remember that if it's different to mine you're wrong!

 

[fade2grey]

Yeah ok, ill just solo then =)

That "i pay my fee" thing is dumb but yeah im not trying to ruin anyone else's fun... and really at low levels this game is pretty easy, whether i heal for 3 hp or 6 hp really isnt gonna make a difference imo... as long as the real basics are done right in a group (i.e. focus on mt, heal mt, keep aggro on mt) then all is usually good.

a n y w a y s .......

Danke to everyone who replied and also to the guys who answered the thingy on that quest... im gonna kill the train of bloated spiders right now... if anyone is in camp forest please /tell alonsus and help me because 4 blue mobs might be kinda tough =P

peace everyone~~

-Fade2Grey-

 

[Balbor]

Scouts can get away with auto training becuase the skill they auto train in isn't that group friendly (i mean needed). infact they can spec shield quite high (up to slam!) and become more group friendly than a scout that trains in LB. Even if you don't want to be a slam scout you can still spec out of shield at L41. Only big problem is that you won't be able to BG rvr very well.

Reavers can also take good advantage of auto train by specing crush and then respecing to flex or slash. Not being a main tank means that they get to use the better crush styles and chains (i think best chain starts from behind but not sure).

Paladins might find it hard not specing chants but might get away with it by going heave defence with crush, shield and perry. Only problem is that you won't get much pratice twisting.

Not sure how much all this will mean at level 50, may just be 2-4 extra levels in a skill but for Palaldins and reaves that will be the next level of one or two spells..

As for Mincers, unless people don't mind PLing you it gonna be hard going, of course for people that PL from other acconts thats no problem.

and if mythic decided people are taking advantage of it they may remove it and just let classes respec more.

 

[sru]

A tough one that. Many Shield/Sword pallys will autotrain slash until they are 40 - few have the nerve to do that to chants.

My young Pally has gone down the autotrain slash route - it might take him 4 mins to kill a pair of linked yellow con but he can do it with full health and enough endurance for many bash's.

Just /ignore others but you will need thick skin if your chants are low ; they are the defining characteristic for pallys.

 

[Easy]

Originally posted by fade2grey
im autotraining slash and chants on my pala...
yeah its a stupid idea but im doing it anyway.

Autotraining is a corageous choice. The way
to level 50 is long and hard if the damage
output is too random or if one lacks particular
group-friendly skills.

So I only advise autotraining if one truly
wants to be "uber" at level 50 and can play
with friends who can live with the autotraining
choice.

 

[tris-]

of course its wrong! even if you dont pay our subs your still wrong and fucking the game up!

 

[tris-]

Originally posted by Omniscieous
Maybe you should concentrate on just having fun and trying to enjoy the game

and how do you know hes not having fun while doing this? :sleeping: its people like you saying things like that, that make people play a way they dont want to.

 

[Twaize]

Training

I tried to wary it be having 30 in Chant 30 in Slash and 30 in Shield but i am so gimped that im gonna respec at lvl 40!

 

[Shike]

Originally posted by Cush
Kinda have to agree with klav.. Why should ppl group with you when you dont provide what you are suppose to. Like a healer coming into a group saying.. hell no i want to melee

about the healer...

on many occasions i just wanted to cry at lowbiedruids (and even some 40+) that had specced some nature that instead of using the healing they have, when often being the only healer in grp and they pulled out a sickle and bashed at mobs while groupmembers died... BATTLEDRUIDS!!!... <sighs> <cries>

If I got in a pally in a group that didnt have chants trained to a reasonable level, I would kindly ask him/her to leave asap since they arent a pally then, merely a gimped armsman. But whatta hell do you do when the pally in the grp dont twist or use endchant even if they have it? I find that puzzling

Like Path said, Autoing vital skills is best suited for PL and not normal PvE since it can gimp the character from of a groups perspective way too much, aka pally with no endregen :doh:

 

[Jaem]

I thought the idea of grouping had several advantages to it.

1. helping leveling easier
2. helping you to spec how you want to(autoing if so)
3. to socialise abit with different people

I know that certain classes are needed to keep a group going but imo look at the people not the class you want.

 

[tris-]

seems like your taking it too seriously when you say things like "they cant contribute to the group fully" its only a game and you need to get that into your head!

 

[SoulFly Amarok]

Originally posted by - Pathfinder -
Chants is another thing entirely though; the sole reason why paladins are wanted in groups are those chants; w/o them you're basically an armsman with less damage output.

Autoing works best when you PL toons, for obvious reasons

!! Stop forgetting the fact, that palas are less defensive than sword&board arms

 

[old.Bubble]

you can spec your character how you like
just tell people you autotraining slash and chants so they can tell you to piss off when you ask(if they do that is)

when you get 30+ your gunna feel the pressure but again its your choice not theres

 

[old.Bubble]

Originally posted by Cush
Kinda have to agree with klav.. Why should ppl group with you when you dont provide what you are suppose to. Like a healer coming into a group saying.. hell no i want to melee

haha

reminds me of the good old smite cleric days
<ubah cleric> LFG
<me>ello
<Groupie1>hi
<ubah cleric> I'll Pull
(Smite cleric prodeeds to smite a purple con mob 3 or 4 times)
(Smite Cleric starts meleeing mob)
(Smite cleric dies)
<ubah cleric> WTF why did you taunt it off me
<groupie2> dude i can't taunt if off you if you smite it 6 times
<ubah cleric>You guys suck! i'm off to solo Reds in the catacombs!
Smite cleric leaves your group

 

[Addlcove]

Originally posted by old.Bubble
haha

reminds me of the good old smite cleric days
<ubah cleric> LFG
<me>ello
<Groupie1>hi
<ubah cleric> I'll Pull
(Smite cleric prodeeds to smite a purple con mob 3 or 4 times)
(Smite Cleric starts meleeing mob)
(Smite cleric dies)
<ubah cleric> WTF why did you taunt it off me
<groupie2> dude i can't taunt if off you if you smite it 6 times
<ubah cleric>You guys suck! i'm off to solo Reds in the catacombs!
Smite cleric leaves your group

just rolled a smitecleric and when I get asked for groups its like this


xxx sends "hi m8 (god I hate that "word) want a group?"
you send "you got a healer?"
xxx sends "nope, plz (another "word" I hate) join us"
you send "get a healer first then I´m smitespecced"
xxx sends "ok (or random insult pointing out how a cleric is supposed to be a healer)"



by the way, do notice it is a new cleric I´m leveling Rharcyn is still rejuv specced

 

[greenfingers]

erhm .. autotraining is for assasin classes ... if U wanna autotrain, make a Infi (autotrain stealth)

but autotraining a Pala is also a good idea .. but U don't get much out of it ... like +76 skillpoints ... (correct me if Im wrong)

nothing much U can do with that .. and not many wanna grp a pala that is autotraining slash and chants .. but HEY .. not my char .. so I´ll just STFU, hehehe

 

[Shike]

Originally posted by greenfingers
erhm .. autotraining is for assasin classes ... if U wanna autotrain, make a Infi (autotrain stealth)

but autotraining a Pala is also a good idea .. but U don't get much out of it ... like +76 skillpoints ... (correct me if Im wrong)

nothing much U can do with that .. and not many wanna grp a pala that is autotraining slash and chants .. but HEY .. not my char .. so I´ll just STFU, hehehe

haha, who told you its for assassins? I'd say it is for any class that can do it.
77pts saved to lvl48 /skill so a pala can make 154 pts extra there. It can make a diff to finish a template that just "you" want.

anyways...

 

[TeniForTehWin]

Originally posted by Addlcove
if you train thrust then you won´t gain the point from autotrain when you respec, for full advantage of autotraining you need to go crush/shield (pallies also autotrain thrust, so when you respec it will set thrust at 12 thus you are loosing the 78 points (well not loosing as you are respeccing to slash and the equal amount is there already, but you haven´t gained them) therefor you need to train crush as pallies don´t autotrain that and when you respec crush will be set at 1 training point and you gain the extra 78 points

methinks mehave explained this to many.. many.. - if you spec thrust you wont autotrain it... just like slash.. but not sure, never tried it, but in logic it wouldnt autotrain if you trained it..

 

[rynnor]

If you tell people that your auto-training then thats fine and tbh its more down to decent players than uber toons a lot of the time - had many a 'perfect' group turn crap because people were muppets.

Only downside I can see is that you might have a tougher time getting to 50 - I'd advise you autotrain until the levels get painfull then spend your points.

Good luck whatever you do

 

[Hit ^_^]

cant say i recomend paladins /minstrels for exampel to auto train chaints/instruments as its that who make them what they are.
but as many allready said its up to you

i wouldet invite a paladin/minstrel who was autoing chants/intru tho if they werent they only tanks there was.