auto training is bad manner?

[fade2grey]

im autotraining slash and chants on my pala... yeah its a stupid idea but im doing it anyway. so i got into a group killing some nymphs with an arms and someone else... i explained my chants were piss poor and asked if they wanted me to leave, they said no and it was going ok.

then a couple more people joined including a lvl 10 friar... who told me to provoke pull. i didnt wanna explain the whole autotrain shit again so i just said "sorry im autotraining chants, so i dont have provoke"

so then she goes off on one saying its rediculous to autotrain chants blah blah and leaves the group. which prompts everyone else to just leave the group too.

is this bad manner to auto train? i explained up front... perhaps i should just solo...... but then whats the points in playing a multiplayer game ... ?

im jsta a newb so i dont know whats up

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-Fade2Grey-

 

[old.mattshanes]

Your char,play it how you want,ignore idiots.

 

[Turamber]

Of course it's not *wrong* to do that - its a clever tactic to get the best template at level 50. However ... do you think the game only starts at level 50? I never liked PvE very much but there is fun to be had in being a productive member of an xp group.

Using autotrain you can do a job in a group - but you can't possibly do the best job you could at any point in time. If the other group members are willing to carry you then fine ... but some people can be guaranteed to not want to carry you.

Moreover, are you happy to be carried? Personally I'd rather have a few skill points less at 50 and earned getting to 50 myself rather than had to be carried there on the backs of others.

 

[liste]

as matt says, yes. ignore idiots.

However, in some cases, you will experience being rejected over someone else, due to autotraining <in the cases where the autotraining will actually gimp you>.

If you can handle that <which you clearly stated you could>, auto training is fine.

Idiots will always be around

 

[old.linnet]

I think autotraining is fine if you are being finicky about having the most uber spec possible at level 50 But accept that other people will also be finicky about having the best PvE group they can, and may get fussy about it and leave. It is 2 sides of the same coin IMO.

(If you are a newb, how did you know about autotraining?)

 

[old.linnet]

<stupid double-posts>

 

[fade2grey]

Well, i only recently got the game (6 weeks ago)... and got an arms to 24 but found him fairly boring, so i started reading up about pallies.

The reason i am auto training is because i do have a thing about perfect characters... ive done it in all games ive ever played and cant help it. Id be so pissed off if i dinged 50 and knew i couldve made the char better (yes even if its only 6 parry better), if id just put in some more time/effort while levelling.

Even without chants, and this low level by keeping my thrust/shield to my level im a very reasonable tank, but people when they see im a pally expect a gosu pve machine, which due to a lack of chants im not.

Yeah its ok, it just annoyed me that one person managed to fuck a whole group.

Also, while i have a thread i have another question... as an extra challenge (like i need it) part of making this uber char is do all the quests i can (lol) ... some levels ive dinged from quests alone which is cool. Anyway, there's one quest where i have to find Ciraron Webweaver in camp forest... you can see the quest on allakazam here.

Like everyone says - she doesnt EVER spawn! has anyone done this quest or even ever seen her? ive tried using my arms to clear the area and nothings happening, im sure im in the right place (where arachnida is)... i really want the quest and also the reward which is a really cute thrust weapon. Any help with that one is appreciated, perhaps theres a trick to get her to spawn or something..

Cheers guys.

-Fade2Grey-

 

[klavrynd]

here's klav with the less pc reply

if you don't adapt to groups, they don't have to adapt to you

 

[old.Tyraette]

Originally posted by klavrynd
here's klav with the less pc reply

if you don't adapt to groups, they don't have to adapt to you

whoa....deep

<fluffles the cuddly Teddy Klav>

 

[ashitaka]

Why the heck would anyone want a paladin without even slight melee damage OR chants when they are exping? You can't do any of the things that people get a Paladin for

It would be like grouping with a scout.. they take you in cause they feel sorry for you, allthough they could get a real tank and be a much stronger group.

 

[old.Gombur Glodson]

Or take a minstrel who's autotraining instruments

 

[ashitaka]

Originally posted by old.Gombur Glodson
Or take a minstrel who's autotraining instruments

I've played with one of those once, it didn't look too good when he explain after a few pulls that he has only 7 instrument so he couldn't mezz.. OFC it was the groups fault that he couldn't mezz and we died, not his.

As a conclusion and reply to your question, mr. fade2grey: Autotraining is fine, but don't expect yourself to get good groups while doing it, cause you'll be reallyyyyyyyy gimped pre level 48.

 

[Turamber]

Originally posted by klavrynd
here's klav with the less pc reply

if you don't adapt to groups, they don't have to adapt to you

This is very true - and, just like autotraining mincers have found, autotraining paladins -really- suck. They don't really contribute anything to a group that people expect when they invite a paladin to a group.

People that don't invite autotrainers or who leave xp groups because of autotrainers are no more "idiots" than the autotrainers themselves.

 

[Addlcove]

Originally posted by fade2grey
The reason i am auto training is because i do have a thing about perfect characters... ive done it in all games ive ever played and cant help it. Id be so pissed off if i dinged 50 and knew i couldve made the char better (yes even if its only 6 parry better), if id just put in some more time/effort while levelling.

Even without chants, and this low level by keeping my thrust/shield to my level im a very reasonable tank,

if you train thrust then you won´t gain the point from autotrain when you respec, for full advantage of autotraining you need to go crush/shield (pallies also autotrain thrust, so when you respec it will set thrust at 12 thus you are loosing the 78 points (well not loosing as you are respeccing to slash and the equal amount is there already, but you haven´t gained them) therefor you need to train crush as pallies don´t autotrain that and when you respec crush will be set at 1 training point and you gain the extra 78 points

 

[Edaudric]

Should I assume that you use a slashing weapon?
I'm concidering autotraining slash and Chants on a new to-be Paladin, making him Crush 'till level 20, just to boost me up while slash autotrains, then respec it (without putting points in slash or chant).

Or do you only get a full respec?

 

[Nalikin]

I'm doing a paladin , however i'm only auto training slash as the chants are very useful ( understatement of the year ).

I've gone Saracen , and am lvl 23 atm with 23 chants , 15 shield rest crush , my damage isn't as high as it should be , but it aint crap either , i can still solo orange con due to high chants .


Edaudric , you get 2 single line respecs , 1 at 20th lvl and the other at 40th lvl .
If you want anymore you need to try and get hold of a respec stone .

 

[fade2grey]

Originally posted by Addlcove
if you train thrust then you won´t gain the point from autotrain when you respec, for full advantage of autotraining you need to go crush/shield (pallies also autotrain thrust, so when you respec it will set thrust at 12 thus you are loosing the 78 points (well not loosing as you are respeccing to slash and the equal amount is there already, but you haven´t gained them) therefor you need to train crush as pallies don´t autotrain that and when you respec crush will be set at 1 training point and you gain the extra 78 points

Like i said im kinda new so this is new to me and let me see if i understand what youre saying...

Say i keep my thrust/shield to my level up till level 20, my spec will look like:

20 thrust
20 shield
5 chants
5 slash

are you saying if i respecced out of thrust it would leave 5 points in there and only give me 15 back or something?

Thanks for all the replies.

-Fade-

 

[spathi]

i am not 100% sure about this but as i saw it :

If you respecced a line at had already had autotrain points allocated into it : you lose all autotrain points ....

Thus a full respec would wipe any autotrain bonuses?


The way I see autotraining, are the extra 1 point in stealth or 3 points in parry really worth it if you have a character that takes twice as long to level and you dont *really* enjoy?

 

[fade2grey]

Originally posted by spathi
The way I see autotraining, are the extra 1 point in stealth or 3 points in parry really worth it if you have a character that takes twice as long to level and you dont *really* enjoy?

To me, yes.

It's not like im horribly gimped and stuck killing greens all day, i can still solo yellows pretty easily, and chain blues... i know thats nothing special but its ok. Also, im not totally useless in groups, as a saracen im still a blocking machine, i can guard the heavy hitter, protect the healer and still have taunt styles to take the aggro from casters... also even the crappest end chant does help everyone quite a bit.

The bonus is 6 parry, or you can go 50 shield and not lose as much from parry and/or slash, not a massive bonus (i believe MoP level 1 is the equivelent of 6 levels of training on its own), thats all i would gain, but why not have the 6 extra parry AND MoP to be even better? Its not really a decision in my mind, i want the best char i can make.

Anyways, still waiting for a reply on Addlcove's thingy =)

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[fade2grey]

Originally posted by Addlcove
if you train thrust then you won´t gain the point from autotrain when you respec, for full advantage of autotraining you need to go crush/shield (pallies also autotrain thrust, so when you respec it will set thrust at 12 thus you are loosing the 78 points (well not loosing as you are respeccing to slash and the equal amount is there already, but you haven´t gained them) therefor you need to train crush as pallies don´t autotrain that and when you respec crush will be set at 1 training point and you gain the extra 78 points

Ok i went and read up some...

Pallies do not autotrain thrust.
It will work with single line respec but not full respec.

Thanks.

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[Saturnine]

I'm a body cabalist.

If you see sense in a spec in the face of adversity go for it.

(though auto-training your primary ability does seem a bit odd )

 

[- Pathfinder -]

You can train thrust or crush to 40 at least, then respec; AFAIK pallies only auto slash. Chants is another thing entirely though; the sole reason why paladins are wanted in groups are those chants; w/o them you're basically an armsman with less damage output. FOr a PBAE group this won't matter much, provided you spec shield and can taunt, but for the more traditional XPing people will moan, obviously.

Autoing works best when you PL toons, for obvious reasons

 

[maxgirth]

Originally posted by fade2grey
Like everyone says - she doesnt EVER spawn! has anyone done this quest or even ever seen her? ive tried using my arms to clear the area and nothings happening, im sure im in the right place (where arachnida is)... i really want the quest and also the reward which is a really cute thrust weapon. Any help with that one is appreciated, perhaps theres a trick to get her to spawn or something..

Cheers guys.

-Fade2Grey-

It does appear bugged this quest, however if you see a train of linked bloated spiders kill them all could be 2-3-4 and she will spawn ok.

 

[old.Morchaoron]

Originally posted by old.Gombur Glodson
Or take a minstrel who's autotraining instruments

hey i did that!! till 36, then i had enough of the whining

 

[Danya]

Originally posted by fade2grey
Also, while i have a thread i have another question... as an extra challenge (like i need it) part of making this uber char is do all the quests i can (lol) ... some levels ive dinged from quests alone which is cool. Anyway, there's one quest where i have to find Ciraron Webweaver in camp forest... you can see the quest on allakazam here.

I killed her waaaay back in beta, not done the quest since but it does work.

 

[Jonaldo]

Regardless whether or not it is clever to autotrain points as you xp remember this much.. It will make pretty much 0 (that is ZERO) difference to how your character performs in RvR. This is mostly down to player skill (well actually how your pc performs then player skill after that) so your autotrained points effectively count for VERY LITTLE at best when you hit 50.
You'd be a lot better of just learning how to play the game properly instead of calculating how to be uber but also simultaneously crap once you get to emain (which is where you will be heading without doubt).

Why do you always try to make your characters perfect? that isn't what RPG is about, not what CRPG's are about, not what MMORPG's are about. Maybe you should concentrate on just having fun and trying to enjoy the game instead of having some uber specced character that really no-one will care about unless you turn out to be a better player than all the current paladins out there.

It's a game, not a job, treat it like a game, not like work.

 

[thegreatest]

I did that quest you talking about 5-6 months ago with my armsman, thnx to a scout that helped me . It took us 2 hours tho to find the spider, but suddenly she just spawned in front of our noses out of nowhere, little shock but we managed to kill her

 

[old.linnet]

On reflection, does anyone else think autotrain is crap and should be removed now that there are single line respecs at 20 and 40 to help if you mess up your low level spec?

also, how stupid is it that Albion gets a lot more autotrains than any other realms (like: minstrels autotrain instruments, but I don't think skalds autotrain battlesongs ...)

 

[Cush]

Originally posted by klavrynd
here's klav with the less pc reply

if you don't adapt to groups, they don't have to adapt to you

Kinda have to agree with klav.. Why should ppl group with you when you dont provide what you are suppose to. Like a healer coming into a group saying.. hell no i want to melee

 

[Edaudric]

Originally posted by Aculus
I'm doing a paladin , however i'm only auto training slash as the chants are very useful ( understatement of the year ).

I've gone Saracen , and am lvl 23 atm with 23 chants , 15 shield rest crush , my damage isn't as high as it should be , but it aint crap either , i can still solo orange con due to high chants .


Edaudric , you get 2 single line respecs , 1 at 20th lvl and the other at 40th lvl .
If you want anymore you need to try and get hold of a respec stone .

Ahh, all right.
I think I recall my old wizard being able to do /respec all, but that -was- right after they gave everyone the ability in case they wanted to switch to a new weapon (them level 50's).
You know... way back in August or something.