Assasins DMG output

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king_kettil

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I'm just curious if people have some Logfiles from various encounters 1vs1 assasin vs assasin. Unfortunatly i always forget to switch on my log =( but after a fight yesterday vs Dracorn ( i think thats his name) i got very shocked..

My shadowblade is
50 sword
39 LA
34 Crit
34 Stealth
11 Envenom

During this fight my dubblefrost hitted for 65 with main hand and 25 with off hand, while this Infil hit's me for about 250-300 with main hand and 90-100 with off hand..

I got 52 LA 64 sword.. why my low dmg ? we both swinged at same speed... we were both buffed ( omg i hope he was buffed atleast)

Anyone think this sounds strange ?

anyway this is why im hoping for some Log's to see if anyone else have had theese remarkble encounters. ( i want to see/hear about all, inf's vs NS's, NS's vs SB's etc)
 
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old.Jeriraa

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Sounds like ablative + some AF spec buff or charge. That Infi was buffed, thats for sure.

I bet some people find the 50% melee resists I have sometimes anoying too. :)
 
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taobitzz

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That dmg your doing sounds about same as mine kett, and thats the sorta dmg I recieve from infs ,slash or 50dw/thrust , them having spec af (having ap 1.5 permanently) sure hurts us :).
 
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hangianix

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He is a 50DW/50slash full buffed infi and hit hard vs sb armor.
 
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Zii

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i do around 80-160 (depending on target) with dubblefrost as 5 spec and fully buffed

while garrote does around 180 yet i specced cs lower than la
 
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Cyradix

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Aye, my garotte does around 180 fully buffed.

And yes slash mercfils can hit upto 300-350 on SB's
Run away when you meet them solo ;)
 
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zapzap

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Bets RA for sb is LW2 get end pot 3 and sprint away every time u see a slash infil not even worth a try 5-6 hits u gone.
 
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Silenzio

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Originally posted by king_kettil

During this fight my dubblefrost hitted for 65 with main hand and 25 with off hand, while this Infil hit's me for about 250-300 with main hand and 90-100 with off hand..
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think u got deeply debuffed wile u couldent debuff him
se ur evenom spec only lvl 11 ...

dont know but... u had all prup buff ?

maybe he got.. higer af maybe... higer ws...

but anyway... 300 is kinda hig damage for an inf... even if slash vs sb... maybe u received some crit too...

but... rlly th point is ur envenom skill
 
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old.windforce

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low envenom sucks

level 50 buffbotted with moa3 slash dualwield inf with slow main hander hits like a brick wall

at least you cannot whine about DF on slash inf :p

dunno if you have decent armor, 350 seems very high since my arms (50 slash) does that damage with diamond slash (level 50 style) when she is buffed to the gits
 
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Lanfaer

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~150 with garotte when target's got capped resists.
Lower on those with 27abs (read tanks) of course :)
 
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Astraad

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Originally posted by zapzap
Bets RA for sb is LW2 get end pot 3 and sprint away every time u see a slash infil not even worth a try 5-6 hits u gone.
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But how rediculous is this? that an assassin class has to leg it from another in a (god forbid) 1v1 encounter. SB's are working as intended though :rolleyes:
 
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inqy

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that is nothing special from dracorn imo, most slash infils are doing that dmg or close to it. working as intended.

eg infils = easy mode
 
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Puppetmistress

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Nightstar attacks you with her axe!
You are hit for 482 damage.
You cannot move!
You resist the effect!
Nightstar attacks you with her axe!
You are hit for 466 damage.
You are bleeding!
You are hit for 4 damage.
Nightstar attacks you with her axe!
You are hit for 411 damage.
You are bleeding!
You are hit for 3 damage.
Nightstar attacks you with her axe!
You are hit for 267 damage.
Your movement is slowed!
An acidic cloud surrounds you!
You are hit for 51 damage.
You are bleeding!
You are hit for 2 damage.
Nightster attacks you with her axe!
You are hit for 311 damage.

Dead.

Me = RR5 Druid with AF647 in Scale, capped melee resists (tho weak to his slash damage).

He = RR5 Shadowblade using a 2H Axe.

Might be that 2H absolutely blows against an assassin with Evade7. But 5-shotting a buffed druid in SC I dont consider gimped. Yes its a 2H and he swings sooo slow. Well, he swinged it as fast as my friar swings his staff (approx.).

SB's can still do very high damage as the log shows. But they have a hardtime against other assassins perhaps. But this damage-output wasn't gimpy (compare: A RR7 zerker in Frenzy did around 450 with 2Hander on my druid)
 
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old.Emma

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There`s nothing wrong with 2H weapons on an SB when your fighting class's with little to no defense, but vs a class with evade/parry/block our low weaponskill just makes it a complete waste of time even trying to kill them unless we land our CS chain.

BTW that log looks like the first 3 hits were CS attacks starting with the first hit as Creaping Death.
 
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Damon_D

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Originally posted by Puppetmistress
Nightstar attacks you with her axe!
You are hit for 482 damage.
You cannot move!
You resist the effect!
Nightstar attacks you with her axe!
You are hit for 466 damage.
You are bleeding!
You are hit for 4 damage.
Nightstar attacks you with her axe!
You are hit for 411 damage.
You are bleeding!
You are hit for 3 damage.
Nightstar attacks you with her axe!
You are hit for 267 damage.
Your movement is slowed!
An acidic cloud surrounds you!
You are hit for 51 damage.
You are bleeding!
You are hit for 2 damage.
Nightster attacks you with her axe!
You are hit for 311 damage.

Dead.

Me = RR5 Druid with AF647 in Scale, capped melee resists (tho weak to his slash damage).

He = RR5 Shadowblade using a 2H Axe.

Might be that 2H absolutely blows against an assassin with Evade7. But 5-shotting a buffed druid in SC I dont consider gimped. Yes its a 2H and he swings sooo slow. Well, he swinged it as fast as my friar swings his staff (approx.).

SB's can still do very high damage as the log shows. But they have a hardtime against other assassins perhaps. But this damage-output wasn't gimpy (compare: A RR7 zerker in Frenzy did around 450 with 2Hander on my druid)
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Well thats all nice and good...but 95% of my fights are against other stealthers , who due to the massive number of fotm infil's are..yes infil's 90% of the time..sure every blue moon or so I'm lucky and find a solo druid running along , and can wtfpwn him with a 2h....if I'm carrying one at all...the rest of the time , I do not only have to be skillfull but also freaking lucky not to get stoompd by wtfpwn DF'ing thrust infil's , or SUPA dmg from slash infil's with 50/50 weapon skill..pa'ing me for as much as I pa a caster or close...
 
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greatred

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Originally posted by king_kettil
During this fight my dubblefrost hitted for 65 with main hand and 25 with off hand, while this Infil hit's me for about 250-300 with main hand and 90-100 with off hand..
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My inf seems to have the opposite problem, she hits for somewhat less than what SB's or hunters hit her for. Although disregard my comments on this because:

1) I have no buffbot
2) My armor is still af90 98% (average) qual sc set for xp'ing still, cos I'm waiting for a few sidi drops before I make final set. (epic armor isn't much better, call me a noob ;) )
3) I'm a noob at the whole assasin thing atm ;)
 
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-redb-

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Couple days back i pa'd an inf for 273 or so, then got hit back in melee for 360 :p

Was with 44+13crit, 39+13peirce and a 3.5spd (shiney!!) wep.
Makes we think i should steal a bb off someone :>

:spin:
 
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Lubricador

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Originally posted by old.Emma

BTW that log looks like the first 3 hits were CS attacks starting with the first hit as Creaping Death.
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first hit backstab 2 , then evernight , the next hit was prolly the follow up something rift , then a garrote and the last prolly AC

to the guys speaking about slashinfils hitting hard ... just debuff em and they will be fucked as we SBs are once enervated , without purge rdy i prefer to meet a slash infi than a thrust one
 
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king_kettil

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About my low envenom.. what does it matter vs an inf ? i can't debuff his weaponskill anyway.. while yes he debuffs mine..

yes i had all purp buffs with MotA 3.

And thanks for the logs ( you that had some to post) now i know it's not just me thats bugged or weak or gimped.. seems we all are when it comes to assasins vs assasins.

About the druid getting killed, 2h are very nice vs casters no doubt about it, but him hitting as fast as a friar ?. and fyi Inf's PA's just as hard as we do with 2h with their fast 1h =)

another question, What weapons do you use Emma, i see your log showing you hit for about 150, thats 100 more then me, ofc i use the fastest possible ( dwarven short sword + handaxe) and im not rr 5 yet.

It seems to me that getting LW 5 will be next step =/

if i ever DO win vs another assasin i will try to post log here ( if i for once could remember to activate it)

Thank you all.
 
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king_kettil

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btw just to add i have had lifebane for quite some time, and after playing ith capped venom and then without.. i must say i notice very little difference.. only vs tanks i miss the enervating, since they are the only thing more or less affected by it
 
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Damon_D

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I'm quit sure infil's slash weapons are str based like ours , so yes you can debuff an infil's WS , just only the slash one's , who again get's a + against our leather.....
 
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GrivneKelmorian

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There is no justice ;p

dex/qui debuff poison for SBs pwease! :p
 
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mavericky

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infs thrust damage is 50%str 50% dex, so debuffs do help, just not as much, plus you still debuff their con
 
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Silenzio

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Re: Re: Assasins DMG output

Originally posted by greatred
My inf seems to have the opposite problem, she hits for somewhat less than what SB's or hunters hit her for. Although disregard my comments on this because:

1) I have no buffbot
2) My armor is still af90 98% (average) qual sc set for xp'ing still, cos I'm waiting for a few sidi drops before I make final set. (epic armor isn't much better, call me a noob ;) )
3) I'm a noob at the whole assasin thing atm ;)
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the problem is right in ur post...
 
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Silenzio

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Originally posted by king_kettil
About my low envenom.. what does it matter vs an inf ? i can't debuff his weaponskill anyway.. while yes he debuffs mine..
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pardon?

if is a slash inf... as u said... u can debuff him as he debuff u...
with the right envenom spec...

if he is a thrust infil right ull debuff him for less, but he will fight with less weapon skill n les hp anyway...

any advantage is a good advantage!!!
 
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Mortius

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Originally posted by old.Emma
just makes it a complete waste of time even trying to kill them unless we land our CS chain.
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As is the way it should be.
 
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old.Emma

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Originally posted by Mortius
As is the way it should be.
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Take you think its ok for infils to spam DS/Garrote or what ever then to take out tanks.

Any remember all that crap about SZ and infils crying at us saying use your CS line..

Right back at ya mr fotm infil.

looking forward to 1.67 cos i know what coming ;p
 
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Mortius

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Originally posted by old.Emma
Take you think its ok for infils to spam DS/Garrote or what ever then to take out tanks.
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not at all. no assassin should be able to beat tanks in straight melee. if they manage to pull off their CS line (i.e. have skill in choosing targets, bide their time, position themselves without being seen etc.) then they should be in with a chance. assassins should also have a damn hard time beating any fighting class in straight melee. the reason i choose an infi as my main char way back when was the whole idea of an assassin. hit hard from the shadows, kill quick and get the hell outta there. thats why i choose slash and crit spec.

sadly assassins have now turned into 'omgwtf i cant melee a tank and win even with my ubar leet buffbot'. nerf buffbots, DF and any other 'overpowered' skills they have, increase effectivness of CS line and have skill the deciding factor for once. Then sit back and watch [Retired] appear after many a SB/NS/Infi name.
 
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