Artifact camping - how long can you claim a mob?

[Jeriraa]

Today we were checking Eramai (Cloudsong mob) and it was camped by a /level char. Trying to figure what to do a heated discussion developed in our battlegroup...

Personally I think artifact camping shouldnt be done/possible at all. But since it is so common I want to ask people what they think about it.

How much time should be granted to a camper to assemble a group and get it to the encounter when another group shows up there ready to engage and complete the encounter?

In our case it took the camper about 50 minutes from the point we checked Eramai and found it camped to the point when he had a 4 people in Aerus Haven, not at the encounter mind you. They are still gathering people while I am writing this when we could have killed Eramai an hour ago.
Is that polite? Is it fair? Is it greedy?

Opinions please!

 

[leviathane]

can't camp a mob with a lowbie imo, has no intention of killing it because to low so keeeeeel.

 

[haarewin]

imo if someone is camping the mob and their group is inc, then i guess they should have it. if i was you i'd have killed eramai by now, 50 mins takes the piss, i'd stand for 20 mins waiting max.
edit: no its not polite, no its not fair, and yes, its greedy.

 

[Saggy]

People should check the spawn as a group and leave someone to camp it - rest of the group could log on alts but they should log back right after (say 5-10mins) the spawn. Personally I wouldn't keep the other group waiting for longer than few mins.

Waiting for spawn alone -> other group comes there -> ask your friends to move right away. If your group is unable to kill it (=everyone not there) when it spawns let the other group have it, imo. "I have had this char camping here for 7 hours so this mob is mine and my friends will be here in hour" just doesn't sound right.

 

[Craparoni]

As said it developed to a discussion in bg, I generally stand down if i see a char camping a mob, mebbe im too kind, and as u said, it went on about 50 min or so, and still no kill, so i'll agree to a time limit, say 15min? then steamroll the motherfecker

 

[I_did_not_read_my_pms]

I think camping a mob should only be done by chars that can actuallly kill the mob. not a /lvl.

 

[Tufnir]

One small thing to add Jeri, I spoke to the /level char, and know who his main was as well.

He said to me people where inc to help him, and based upon that I wanted to not kill it, wich we never did eighter for the record

How do we handle stuff like this? If you arrive there. and one lowlevel dude camp it (not afk camping mind you, afk camping isnt camping imo). Should we tell him that if your crew isnt here in 20 mins, we kill the mob?

Imo thats rude, if the guys is trying his best to gather people to help him.

Dunno really what to do in those occasions...

 

[Jeriraa]

I dont care about if it is a lvl 1 or a lvl 50 camping there. What I care about is the time frame. I understand that it takes longer to get a force to, lets say, the battler than to eramai but anyways, I'd like this topic to come up with some general time span.
Claiming a mob for an hour is just silly.

 

[Mavericky]

I am not sure about the best thing, it depends on whether you are the camper, or the new arrival.

Someone in my guild waited for 9 hours for a mob to pop last weekend. There is no way a group would wait around for that, so giving some leanience for them to get a group ready it only fair, after all if they did have the group waiting there then the mob wouldnt be there for you to kill anyway. How long this should be who knows, my friends list is rather short with people who will come to help me, in the end I gave up on the idea of many artifacts as i knew i would never be able to get enough people together to ever get them.


To a new arrival to a mob and there is a camper there, you want the mob, and you can see they cant get the people together quickly, you have 4 choices tbh, agree a time limit before you move in, or leave, or kill straight away and sod the camper, or offer to help the camper do the artifact so it pops sooner for you to get it the next time.

 

[Morchaoron]

Lowlevels cant camp them... placing a lowlevel somewhere is like telling the guy behind you in the que for the rollcoaster "hey listen bud, im right before you, cya again in 3 hours and you better dont try to take my place"

if you want to camp a mob then BE THERE or piss the fuck off...

imo

Claiming a mob for an hour is just silly.

exactly...
the game has to go on and the the que behind you wont wait until you finally wake up cuz you were too lazy to stay awake...

 

[Jjuraa]

anyone can camp a mob imo, only way it works.

i agree that there should be a time frame (i.e, 20 minutes) to get the team together before you forefiet the spawn. but you guys arent seeing it from the other persons point of view, if the person isnt in an active guild then it can take time to form a group.. and the group arent going to want to stand around for ages waiting for a pop so he has to camp the mob, and alert his friends to gather when the mob spawns.

from what i can see, you guys just formed a group and headed over to the mob, just being oppertunistic (which is fine, and sometimes works) but the guy who camped it deserved the mob (up until 20 minutes had passed, then he should have agreed to let you kill it) as he was the one who went to the most effort to see if the mob was there. if he wants an alt to watch the camp while he crafts or somthing on his main, there should be no problem with that.

jmtc

 

[emma]

If it were me, i`d ask them how long till there group is there. if they say 5 mins. wait 5 mins. then kill the mob if there not there.

If they say 30 mins+ just kill it anyway.

If its a /level char camping the mob. just kill the mob regardless.

 

[Platina]

Just take it /level chars can go XXXX XXXXXXxx
And OMG 50 minuts wy did you w8 so long ? give him if a lvl 50 char 15 minuts max then take the mob. since he cant claim a mob if not hitting it and he cant really kill it solo osv. Tbh think that guy was rude vs you if he noticed he didnt have enough ppl inc whitin 15 minuts ore so he should Pm you and let you have the mob.

 

[Elendar]

can't camp with anything that can't kill the mob they're trying to camp imo
if waiting 5 mins for someone then sure, but thats different to not actually having a grp that can kill it but trying to camp till you can get one uke:

 

[Cylian]

give 'em 10min to get a group (or whatever is needed) together.

Or just let them join and roll for the thing if it drops ... as long as they don't do it in order to sell it afterwards. Gives them atleast a chance.

Some of those Arti Mobs are a true pain to find (Chissi comes to mind).

 

[Aarween]

why didn't you pull it?


I mean... it's like chosing seat on a bus... you take a seat that isn't allready occupied... you don't ask people to move from where they sit cause you want to sit there... and you can't prevent people to sit on "your" seat when your not there...

when I was like 6 years old and went for a bus ride everyone in my age allways screamed "Pax för fönsterplatsen!!" don't know how to translate that but it means like "by saying this word I've reserved the windowseat for me"... that have no diffrence in mob camping without pulling to me...


if the seat isn't taken and you want to sit there... have a seat!!

if the don't pull the mob they are camping and you want to pull it... pull!!

 

[XeffoInfil]

One small thing to add Jeri, I spoke to the /level char, and know who his main was as well.

He said to me people where inc to help him, and based upon that I wanted to not kill it, wich we never did eighter for the record

How do we handle stuff like this? If you arrive there. and one lowlevel dude camp it (not afk camping mind you, afk camping isnt camping imo). Should we tell him that if your crew isnt here in 20 mins, we kill the mob?

Imo thats rude, if the guys is trying his best to gather people to help him.

Dunno really what to do in those occasions...

but then how long has he been camping there himself? if hes been waiting ages, and it was up and had people coming, its technically "his",

my 2 shillings

 

[Oldleaf]

Artifact camping, a thread from VNboards.

Clicky

 

[Damon_D]

If they aint got a group able of killing the mob up and running within 15 min.. then tough luck imho.........

 

[koxine]

People should check the spawn as a group and leave someone to camp it - rest of the group could log on alts but they should log back right after (say 5-10mins) the spawn. Personally I wouldn't keep the other group waiting for longer than few mins.

Waiting for spawn alone -> other group comes there -> ask your friends to move right away. If your group is unable to kill it (=everyone not there) when it spawns let the other group have it, imo. "I have had this char camping here for 7 hours so this mob is mine and my friends will be here in hour" just doesn't sound right.

Agree =)

 

[Derric]

If they aint got a group able of killing the mob up and running within 15 min.. then tough luck imho.........

I don't say this a lot of times, but I agree with Damon here. ;o

 

[Brolundar]

Sorry, but camping means to me, that character that wants to do this encounter, is in place.

Putting an alt, especially low level, to the spot ^^ I wont accept as camp.

At least its very poor to, that people cannot group up, do encounter and roll for arti.

Only spoken for Albion here, a bit more cooperation, and much more ppl would be outfitted better for rvr.

 

[Svendoc]

my 2 penith

I have killed Eramai more than ANYONE, Yesterday I got a call to Help Ceilya kill him and as i was in Green Glades. Said Yes

We got there and it was Camped by a shaman, started msging him about his group he said they were inc, but were finishing off previous stages.

Waited 10 mins they did not arrive so asked them what was going on, basically they had not finished rest of quest and were running around.

As i am SO nice I asked them how many in there group wanted it they said 3 as i only had Ceilya wanting it I told them to join my bg and the 4 who want it can roll for it if drops.

In the end had 15 people in BG and killed it, the 4 rolled and poor Ceilya rolled a 1 BAD luck or what.

I farted and fannied around waited 40 mins and got them the arti , may have felt differently if I had wanted it.

NE way think 20 mins is a reasonable time to wait, would say after that though if your not an FG invite the camper for credit.

 

[Otho]

Letting people have a maximum 20 min to gather a flg is ok by my standard. Camping it with an /alt char is silly. People should camp it with an alt that are capable to join in and kill it, or it will take even longer to get the group together. If the encounter demands more then 1 lfg and more people arrive at the scene they should be invited and get to roll for the artifact.

 

[Buliwyf]

You can camp a mob from here to kingdom come, but in the end of the day ~ the first to hit/attack the mob owns it. (CoC)

So it all come's down to community, moral's of the individual player's ect.

 

[Nyssa]

In my opinion, let the camper stop looking for help, let him join your battlegroup, kill the mob and /random.

If you are there with your group(s) and they're there to help YOU get the artifact, then you have a pretty high chance of winning the roll anyway if they all /random.

 

[Haazheel]

Not much opnion here, just tat I have camped once for 9:45 hours DS with a level 50 char, and I would have been very pissed if someone just come by and get the encounter.

Emma has the point methink, wait 5 and if no group shows up, then go.

 

[Kalthorine]

my 2 penith

If you athk me, if you have 2 penith then you could be making lotth of money working for a thircuth.

As far as the camping is concerned, I agree that camping with a low /level alt is pretty bad form... but generally, the guidance suggested of "if you are camping you have 15 minutes to get a group in the same zone and inc" would seem to be a good rule of sumb... er, thumb.

If enough people agree, maybe it might be worth starting to spread the word and get this (or some other agreed-upon) rule generally accepted.

 

[Jareth Spellfire]

The official game CoC/RoC states that the first group to actually engage the mob AND killing it is entitled to getting the artifact. You can camp it in the hope that people leave it alone, but if a group comes along and kills the mob, there isnt anything you can do about it.

HOWEVER it seems an unwritten rule that people that camp an artifact and try to get a group together should get a certain "window" I like this rule to be very honest and i think the window should be 15 minutes maximum.

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[Krissy]

If you dont are about others, pull it, its not breaking any rules unless their in combat with it.

However camping a mob with a lowbie char isnt camping it imo, they cant kill it, they arnt wasting any time by camping it at all, and are mostlikly afk so wouldnt notice if it had poped and died anyway.

Camping with a lvl 50 char (bb or not) is fine to me, thou for mobs like Danos (GoV) u cant camp it anyway as if u camp nite camp someone will mass a group to kill at day camp.