Arthorian Legend And Society???

[gamenutt]

discuss society, customs, ideals, beliefs of the middle ages as seen in the legend of king arthur(also sir gauen and the green knight.


CAN ANYONE HELP ME WITH THIS?????
PLEASE SOMEONE???

 

[Scooba Da Bass]

Do your own homework etc...

PS I hear Google has a large colletion of links that will allow you to locate things.

 

[gamenutt]

Originally posted by Scooba Da Bass
Do your own homework etc...

who me.....wha....but.....but how did u know!

alright I was looking on there earlier not to much luck on exact topic but ill look some more just thinking maybe possibly someone outthere is some middle ages genius and would easily be able to answer that. I geuss Scooba Da Bass just isnt smart enough to answer this question.

 

[Sawtooth]

The Round Table and modern management practices

Dont gert much Jousting these days though it might be better if we did...Tony Blair or Dubya going head to head with Sadam or Bin Laden.

 

[Wij]

Originally posted by gamenutt


who me.....wha....but.....but how did u know!

alright I was looking on there earlier not to much luck on exact topic but ill look some more just thinking maybe possibly someone outthere is some middle ages genius and would easily be able to answer that. I geuss Scooba Da Bass just isnt smart enough to answer this question.

Look up Geoffrey of Monmouth.

 

[doh_boy]

Originally posted by gamenutt
discuss society, customs, ideals, beliefs of the middle ages as seen in the legend of king arthur(also sir gauen and the green knight.


CAN ANYONE HELP ME WITH THIS?????
PLEASE SOMEONE???

You could comment on the theory that most of the lengends came from french legend (through the normans) and go on to mention that because of this (the normans that is) the english haven't got any legends because a lot of anglo saxon society was lost when the normans came. Also the knights are:

Lancelot | Tristram | Lamorack | Tor | Galahad | Gawain | Palomides | Kay | Mark | Mordred.

 

[theriven]

The french and english legends have variatons and have also changed over time, so that gives ya 4 legends to mess around with.
Could be wrong here but i think that the round table is hanging in Winchester castle.
Search that up and you might get a few snipits of info.

 

[xane]

"... and that, My Lord, is how we know the Earth is banana shaped"

 

[lynchet]

The Winchester Cathedral one is a fake.

Also, of course, there is no evidence that Arthur ever existed. And the udea of the Saxons coming here as an invading army is an outdated idea, the evidence now points to a more peacful integration.

 

[granny]

I'd do the bulk of your research in a library, not online to be honest. A quick search of a couple of University library catalogues turns up 1000's of books and publications.

 

[theriven]

Originally posted by lynchet
The Winchester Cathedral one is a fake.

lmfao!
I kinda realise that, but its still impressive and "was" thaught to have been the origional table. Thats why i was saying to have a butchers there, even though its a fake (cough..giggle..cough) they might have some background information on the origins of the table and its connection with arthur.

P.S. Where is the origional table?

 

[prime1]

IIRC the Normans were not French either, altho they became French they were originally vikings.

 

[Munkey-]

Read Bernard Cornwell's Arthur series

 

[lynchet]

There is no original table and no proof one ever existed

 

[Wij]

Originally posted by prime1
IIRC the Normans were not French either, altho they became French they were originally vikings.

True.

Normans = French-dwelling ex-vikings.

Angles + Saxons = German.

And the Anglo-Saxons only really displaced the Roman rulers and were then in conflict with the Viking occupiers in the 9th and 10th Centuries.

Mixed bunch us english.

 

[whipped]

Watch Monty Python and the Holy Grail. Lots of acurate facts in that film.

 

[Wij]

It's about time we reconquered Normandy really.

 

[mank!]

Originally posted by whipped
Watch Monty Python and the Holy Grail. Lots of acurate facts in that film.

 

[(Shovel)]

Originally posted by Wij
It's about time we reconquered Normandy really.

Yeah alright... are you busy after lunch or shall we conquer tomorrow?

 

[throdgrain]

Most ideas these days have Arthur as a Romano-Celt, who defended Britain around 500 ad, the time when the Romans left here and before the Anglo-Saxons invaded. It was called Britain then, England comes from Angleland, the name given to this country by its succesful invaders, the Angles.
I have read a book claiming that Arthur was based in the area of Roxborough, on the Scottish borders, and that after his people were displaced they sailed to Wales, taking thier stories with them ,hence so many people thinking he came from that area.
But who knows

 

[lynchet]

Except it was 410 that the last Roman legions left Britain

By 500 there were plenty of Anglo Saxon settlers here -- note settlers NOT invaders -- there may have been some fighting but on the whole the evidence points to a far more peaceful integration.

 

[throdgrain]

Yes, around 500 ad, as I said. Or did you think i meant perhaps 497 ad ? September the 12 maybe ?
There were Anglo Saxon settlers in Kent etc its true, though a lot of them following invaded and took the land they wanted.
The gap between the Romans leaving and the saxon takeover, or some of it, is often attributed to Arthur.

 

[gamenutt]

Originally posted by whipped
Watch Monty Python and the Holy Grail. Lots of acurate facts in that film.

Thats the best advice ive heard in awhile...ill go watch that now even though already turned in assignment...just a funny movie. I just ended up saying a bunce of stuff about chilvalry, magic, fate and some other things that I knew about middle age society. As well as got a few ideas from other people in class. That always helps. Thanks for info.

 

[lynchet]

There is very little evidence of Saxon invasions taking what they wanted. The old idea of invasion basically comes from 2 written sources - Bede and Gildas - Bede was largely using Gildas as a source so you come back to him. A monk liveing in the north west (if I recall rightly) who had a great dislike of saxons.
Would you believe, say, a BNP account of recent immigration into this country, written sources are not always accurate.

On the other habd you have such things as landscape evidence - the early Saxon settlements such as Catholme are found on the poorest land -- not a likely thing for a victorious invader to do -- more the sort of thing a peaceful newcomer would do - take what no one else wanted.

Over time integration led to Saxon dominance but the "Stentonesque" view of marauding invaders just doesnt stand up.

 

[Scooba Da Bass]

Originally posted by gamenutt
I geuss Scooba Da Bass just isnt smart enough to answer this question.

I geuss so!

 

[Testin da Cable]

and I'll degauss it later

 

[throdgrain]

So how do you explain the wars between the celts of somerset and west, against the saxons ? Or when Offas dyke was built to keep the last remaining celts in wales ?
i understand the dyke was some couple of centuries later, however there must have been fighting in order to get to that point ? The anglo saxon histories tell of loads of battles with the celts.

 

[xane]

Originally posted by xane
"... and that, My Lord, is how we know the Earth is banana shaped"

Originally posted by whipped
Watch Monty Python and the Holy Grail. Lots of acurate facts in that film.

 

[mank!]

Nice avatar cama, pity it makes you look about 12

 

[Summo]

Use this one, you big cripple!