Armsman characters

[finisher]

Four questions:

1) What performs better in RvR, a defensive armsman (High parry and shield, low weapon) or an offensive one (High weapon low etc..)? By this i mean on general terms, does it pay to be defensive or are you just a walking shield that does no damage.

2) Whats better in RvR thrust, crush or slash damsge and why?

3) Can Armsman spec in crossbow? Some things i've read say yes and others say no.

4) Whats a recommended spec for both an offensive and a defensive armsman that will perform well in both RvR and PvE.


Oh and are there any guilds out there that actually help there members out or all they all just used to slag each other off and to sit on there collective fat arses together like all the ones i've joined?

 

[lofff]

1) Hybrid: 42shield 50pole 3Xtrusth/slash XXparry

2) Trusth having the best bonus against enemy armours (average) slash as 2nd choice been better against hibs.

3) yes but dont

4) see 1)

 

[tris-]

no need for low weapon skilll - 50 slash, 42 shield rest parry is all you need. add to that master of blocking 2 and master of parry 2 not much gets past you meele wise. e.g. i had 42 shield max slash rest parry with master of block and parry 2. took on 2 red con SBs, killed 1 before i died and got the other half way. also had fights that lasted about 10 mins because we couldnt hit each other.

its paladins who normally have low weapon.

edit - why not spec xbow? before full respec my spec was gimped and had abouit 20 xbow - hit for about 350 dmg with thrust bolts v chain.

 

[bishibosh]

hes talking about an armsman ffs not some gimpy pally, 50 thrust 50 pole 28 parry, have a nice day

 

[Kagato.]

If you want offensive, what bishi said above.

Thrust is best for RvR when you compare enemy armour tables.

I did have a link showing the tables I was going to post for you, but it doesn't appear to work anymore, sorry.

 

[arrakeen]

if you want defensive make a pally

 

[gunner440]

xp to 40 as s/s and when u ding u respec and have to decide and choose ur path

pole
2h
defensive
hybrid


choice is urs

note: full pole/2h is v.crap in pve

 

[Novamir]

50 2h, 42 shield, 39 slash, rest parry

or

50 2h, 50 slash, 28 parry


hybrid rox

 

[Hit ^_^]

i use 42shield 44slash 44pole and xx in parry not sure what it will endup on.and i pwn.

 

[old.shotgunstow]

bear the things mentioned in this thread in mind:

http://forums.barrysworld.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=51472

 

[Kobold]

hybrid







btw, make a hero instead

 

[Yuanyuan]

Hybrid is good in rvr, if u can play well but i don't like pure s/s armsman, i prefer if pure s/s paladin.
u can go 44 pole, 44 slash/thrust, 42 shield rest parry, if shield is only for stun, pole is only use after stun^^

 

[old.Kal]

Hybrid best spec as said above, id go slash or crush if u want to kill mobs with your shield out which you will do most of the time

Thrust has shit styles for 1h with shield and it really doesnt matter what dmg type u choose with the new resist tables...

 

[Treniel-]

hybrid pole best imo

42 sheild 39 slash/thrust 44 pole rest parry

good pve good rvr, and i prefer slash cus generally tanks die from casters than you slam and u go after casters...do more dmg by far

 

[Flimgoblin]

50 2h, 42 shield, 39 slash, rest parry

I like the look of this one

you lose out a little damage on the 50/50/28 spec

(not sure how much - a test with bleri gave 30% difference between 12 base and 44 base on a 50 polearm char... but there's not much data so that could be way out - I'd guess you'd gain another 10% damage from having 39 slash. Need to test if base spec>50 affects your damage the way it does for single-spec weapons - I'd imagine it does as it just seems to be a simple damage add from base spec )

 

[stighelmer]

My spec is 44 pole, 42 shield, 39 slash, 24 parry. (Thinking of respeccing to 50 pole and less parry, but not sure)

Proper SC gets me to 52 pole, 53 shield, 50 slash and 35 parry (+ RR)

Fairly little loss in damage compared to full poler and I block almost as good as any paladin with proper dex buffs.

I protect our casters by default and shift to offense when the tide of the battle allows it. Slam -> Shift to pole -> Crip Blow -> Mangle and keeping rage/revenge ready gets em everytime

Price I pay for having imo a more well rounded char than pure s/s or 2h/pole is the loss of some 44/50 styles and that is a fair trade off i think.

And on a side note, when farming or helping ppl level the s/s works alot better than 2h/pole.

Just my two cents, hope it helps.

 

[osrim]

Hmm, 2H crap at pve?

Originally posted by gunZ-

note: full pole/2h is v.crap in pve

Here's buffed Raterik's fight against 62-65 lvl knight at DF. His spec is 2H 49, slash 49, parry 32. Str 218, Dex 150, con 180, qui 87 atm. Mastery of parry 2. Note that this was before we lost str relics.

He does red's and some purples without buffs though and needed help with this one it was getting close. But still I think 2H arms dont suck at pve with some RA parry skill.

[21:46:33] @@Timppa says, "try knight"
[21:46:38] You target [Chthonic Knight Babyzu]
[21:46:38] You examine Chthonic Knight Babyzu. He is aggressive towards you!
[21:46:38] You examine Chthonic Knight Babyzu. He is aggressive towards you!
[21:46:38] Chthonic Knight Babyzu is too far away!
[21:46:42] Chthonic Knight Babyzu hits your torso for 209 (-62) damage!
[21:46:42] You enter combat mode and target [Chthonic Knight Babyzu]
[21:46:42] You miss!
[21:46:47] You attack Chthonic Knight Babyzu with your sword and hit for 135 damage!
[21:46:47] Chthonic Knight Babyzu hits your arm for 235 (-70) damage!
[21:46:51] You miss!
[21:46:52] Chthonic Knight Babyzu hits your torso for 204 (-61) damage!
[21:46:54] You prepare to perform a Bone Bruiser!
[21:46:55] You perform your Bone Bruiser perfectly. (+38)
[21:46:55] You attack Chthonic Knight Babyzu with your sword and hit for 174 damage!
[21:46:55] Chthonic Knight Babyzu cannot seem to move!
[21:46:57] You prepare to perform a Bone Breaker!
[21:46:57] @@Templario says, "w8"
[21:46:57] Chthonic Knight Babyzu attacks you and you parry the blow!
[21:47:00] You perform your Bone Breaker perfectly. (+68)
[21:47:00] You attack Chthonic Knight Babyzu with your sword and hit for 180 damage!
[21:47:00] You critical hit for an additional 95 damage!
[21:47:00] Chthonic Knight Babyzu cannot seem to move!
[21:47:02] You prepare to perform a Onslaught!
[21:47:04] You miss!
[21:47:05] Chthonic Knight Babyzu attacks you and you parry the blow!
[21:47:06] You prepare to perform a Fury!
[21:47:08] You perform your Fury perfectly. (+70)
[21:47:08] You attack Chthonic Knight Babyzu with your sword and hit for 187 damage!
[21:47:08] Chthonic Knight Babyzu is bleeding!
[21:47:08] You hit Chthonic Knight Babyzu for 3 damage!
[21:47:10] You prepare to perform a Recenter!
[21:47:11] Chthonic Knight Babyzu hits your torso for 232 (-69) damage!
[21:47:12] You perform your Recenter perfectly. (+81)
[21:47:12] You attack Chthonic Knight Babyzu with your sword and hit for 216 damage!
[21:47:12] You critical hit for an additional 211 damage!
[21:47:13] Chthonic Knight Babyzu is bleeding!
[21:47:13] You hit Chthonic Knight Babyzu for 2 damage!
[21:47:14] You prepare to perform a Fury!
[21:47:17] You fail to execute your Fury perfectly.
[21:47:17] You attack Chthonic Knight Babyzu with your sword and hit for 134 damage!
[21:47:17] Chthonic Knight Babyzu hits your torso for 250 (-75) damage!
[21:47:18] Chthonic Knight Babyzu is bleeding!
[21:47:18] You hit Chthonic Knight Babyzu for 1 damage!
[21:47:19] You prepare to perform a Fury!
[21:47:21] You miss!
[21:47:22] Chthonic Knight Babyzu attacks you and you parry the blow!
[21:47:23] You prepare to perform a Fury!
[21:47:23] Chthonic Knight Babyzu is bleeding!
[21:47:23] You hit Chthonic Knight Babyzu for 0 damage!
[21:47:25] You perform your Fury perfectly. (+84)
[21:47:25] You attack Chthonic Knight Babyzu with your sword and hit for 227 damage!
[21:47:25] You critical hit for an additional 115 damage!
[21:47:25] Chthonic Knight Babyzu is bleeding!
[21:47:25] You hit Chthonic Knight Babyzu for 3 damage!
[21:47:27] You prepare to perform a Recenter!
[21:47:27] Chthonic Knight Babyzu attacks you and you parry the blow!
[21:47:29] You perform your Recenter perfectly. (+74)
[21:47:29] You attack Chthonic Knight Babyzu with your sword and hit for 198 damage!
[21:47:30] Chthonic Knight Babyzu is bleeding!
[21:47:30] You hit Chthonic Knight Babyzu for 2 damage!
[21:47:32] You prepare to perform a Fury!
[21:47:32] Chthonic Knight Babyzu attacks you and you parry the blow!
[21:47:32] Taema was just killed by Chthonic Knight Obarus!
[21:47:33] You miss!
[21:47:35] You prepare to perform a Fury!
[21:47:35] Chthonic Knight Babyzu is bleeding!
[21:47:35] You hit Chthonic Knight Babyzu for 1 damage!
[21:47:37] Chthonic Knight Babyzu attacks you and you parry the blow!
[21:47:38] You perform your Fury perfectly. (+65)
[21:47:38] You attack Chthonic Knight Babyzu with your sword and hit for 177 damage!
[21:47:38] Chthonic Knight Babyzu is bleeding!
[21:47:38] You hit Chthonic Knight Babyzu for 3 damage!
[21:47:38] Rafhael was just killed by a mahr!
[21:47:39] You prepare to perform a Recenter!
[21:47:42] You perform your Recenter perfectly. (+79)
[21:47:42] You attack Chthonic Knight Babyzu with your sword and hit for 211 damage!
[21:47:42] Chthonic Knight Babyzu hits your arm for 231 (-69) damage!
[21:47:43] Chthonic Knight Babyzu is bleeding!
[21:47:43] You hit Chthonic Knight Babyzu for 2 damage!
[21:47:47] You attack Chthonic Knight Babyzu with your sword and hit for 112 damage!
[21:47:48] Chthonic Knight Babyzu attacks you and you parry the blow!
[21:47:48] Chthonic Knight Babyzu is bleeding!
[21:47:48] You hit Chthonic Knight Babyzu for 1 damage!
[21:47:48] You prepare to perform a Fury!
[21:47:50] Chthonic Knight Babyzu parries your attack!
[21:47:53] Chthonic Knight Babyzu is bleeding!
[21:47:53] You hit Chthonic Knight Babyzu for 0 damage!
[21:47:53] Chthonic Knight Babyzu hits your foot for 231 (-69) damage!
[21:47:54] Waucan is covered in a sheath of earth.
[21:47:55] You attack Chthonic Knight Babyzu with your sword and hit for 123 damage!
[21:47:55] You critical hit for an additional 24 damage!
[21:47:58] Chthonic Knight Babyzu attacks you and you parry the blow!
[21:47:59] Chthonic Knight Babyzu parries your attack!
[21:47:59] You prepare to perform a Fury!
[21:48:03] You are no longer preparing to use your Fury style!
[21:48:03] You attack Chthonic Knight Babyzu with your sword and hit for 102 damage!
[21:48:03] Chthonic Knight Babyzu attacks you and you parry the blow!
[21:48:05] You prepare to perform a Fury!
[21:48:05] Tracy was just killed by a cambion!
[21:48:08] You perform your Fury perfectly. (+82)
[21:48:08] You attack Chthonic Knight Babyzu with your sword and hit for 222 damage!
[21:48:08] You critical hit for an additional 213 damage!
[21:48:08] Chthonic Knight Babyzu is bleeding!
[21:48:08] You hit Chthonic Knight Babyzu for 3 damage!
[21:48:09] Chthonic Knight Babyzu hits your arm for 181 (-54) damage!
[21:48:09] You are hit for 235 damage.
[21:48:09] An agonizing blackness consumes you!
[21:48:09] You prepare to perform a Recenter!
[21:48:12] You perform your Recenter perfectly. (+69)
[21:48:12] You attack Chthonic Knight Babyzu with your sword and hit for 183 damage!
[21:48:13] Chthonic Knight Babyzu is bleeding!
[21:48:13] You hit Chthonic Knight Babyzu for 2 damage!
[21:48:14] Waucan is covered in a sheath of earth.
[21:48:14] Chthonic Knight Babyzu attacks you and you parry the blow!
[21:48:15] You are too fatigued to perform the Fury style!
[21:48:16] Chthonic Knight Babyzu parries your attack!
[21:48:17] @@Taurides says, "the arsman is the bestttttt for world hehe"
[21:48:17] Valian was just killed by a plated fiend!
[21:48:18] Chthonic Knight Babyzu is bleeding!
[21:48:18] You hit Chthonic Knight Babyzu for 1 damage!
[21:48:19] Chthonic Knight Babyzu hits your arm for 191 (-57) damage!
[21:48:20] You attack Chthonic Knight Babyzu with your sword and hit for 102 damage!
[21:48:23] Chthonic Knight Babyzu is bleeding!
[21:48:23] You hit Chthonic Knight Babyzu for 0 damage!
[21:48:24] Rayek was just killed by Gedan!
[21:48:24] Waucan is covered in a sheath of earth.
[21:48:24] Chthonic Knight Babyzu hits your torso for 212 (-63) damage!
[21:48:25] Chthonic Knight Babyzu parries your attack!
[21:48:27] @@You say, "help"
[21:48:29] Chthonic Knight Babyzu parries your attack!
[21:48:30] Chthonic Knight Babyzu attacks you and you parry the blow!
[21:48:30] @@Waucan says, "templario coll"
[21:48:30] Taurides attacks the Chthonic Knight Babyzu with his sword!
[21:48:32] @@Waucan says, "cool"
[21:48:33] You miss!
[21:48:33] Taurides attacks the Chthonic Knight Babyzu with his sword!
[21:48:34] Waucan is covered in a sheath of earth.
[21:48:35] Chthonic Knight Babyzu attacks you and you parry the blow!
[21:48:35] Gverig casts a spell!
[21:48:36] Chthonic Knight Babyzu drops a Daemon Diamond Seal.
[21:48:36] Chthonic Knight Babyzu drops a bag of coins.
[21:48:39] You select the Daemon Diamond Seal.
[21:48:39] You target [the Daemon Diamond Seal]
[21:48:39] You get a Daemon Diamond Seal and put it in your backpack.
[21:48:44] @@Repond says, "lol"
[21:48:44] @@Gverig says, "how much xp??"
[21:48:46] @@Templario says, "good raterick!!"
[21:48:46] Feck casts a spell!
[21:48:46] A crystal shield covers Feck's skin.
[21:48:50] @@You say, "was geting bit close"

 

[domin8or]

Best Armsmen spec imo is:

31 parry
31 crush
31 thrust
31 slash
31 polearm
31 shield
4 in X-bow

Points left: 0

This gives advantages against EVERY class in the game!

Think about that...

 

[stighelmer]

Originally posted by domin8or

Think about that...

Oooh, the irony.

Do NOT take the advice of a MID Finisher. Do you think he's looking out for your best interests or his own ?

Think about that...

 

[quinthar]

I re-iterate what was said b4, are you playing the same game as us? OR did you choose trawl instead of troll?

 

[domin8or]

Are you saying my 50 Armsman on Prydwen has a gimped spec? But he's uber

 

[old.SadonTheGrey]

50 pole, 42 shield, 39 slash, rest parry

End of story

 

[wolfen_rb]

Originally posted by old.Kal
.......Thrust has shit styles for 1h with shield and it really doesnt matter what dmg type u choose with the new resist tables...

ehm, what about Beartooth ?? tho amy slash aint bad

u can check this style here :

http://home.nc.rr.com/obsidianguard/wyrd/Albion.htm

my spec is 50 pole, 42 shield, 39 thrust, 10 parry....quite amusing

 

[lofff]

Originally posted by old.Kal

Thrust has shit styles for 1h with shield and it really doesnt matter what dmg type u choose with the new resist tables...

it does?

mmk

 

[lofff]

Hib scale / Hib rf / Mid chain / Mid studded
crush - / + / 0 / 0

slash + / - / - / +

trusth 0 / 0 / + / -



- = 10%penalty
+ = 10%bonus
0=neutral

hib scale = hero, champ, drood, warden

hib rf = bard, bm, ranger

mid chain = warrior, thane, skald, healer, shaman

mid stud = zerker and hunter





Conclussion: As an alb the most balanced dmg would b TRUSTH (altho 1handed/shield trusth sucks) Slash as 2nd option (best for 1handers imo)

 

[Treniel-]

50 pole, 42 shield, 39 slash, rest parry

End of story

thats a shit spec cus u get absoluty nothing in parry so u will be nearly defenseless

 

[lofff]

Originally posted by Treniel-
thats a shit spec cus u get absoluty nothing in parry so u will be nearly defenseless

parry sucks anyway and ur defense = ur hps, ur plate armour and ur healers U_u

 

[Ialkarn]

Originally posted by lofff
parry sucks anyway and ur defense = ur hps, ur plate armour and ur healers U_u

Plate absorbation don't make this uge difference;
ppl should remember no plate users get evade, and when you are full buffed,as ppl always should fight,that largely compensate the plate advantage.
Also when you are fighting a tank whit more weapon skill than you ,he 'll get a better parry/block rate.
so whit an hibrid spec you would have hard days against heroes/warriors defenses skills.
The problem is that,I really doubt an hibrid spec as armsman can work properly:you are going to gimp yourself in a way or another.
Heroes and Warriors can be slam specced whitout penalize the damage,but that cause they don't need two lines spec to max it.
an armsman have to play in a group and groups require palies,a pali properly specced have to be s/s why then go slash/pole when you have another class who have to do it aniway?
as solo class your spec choice have to consider aloot of factors,as group class you have just to spec yourself to max your primary qualities,you don't need to slam when you have a pali beside you ready to do that,and if you don't have him,well your group would be gimped aniway.
My point is:if you want a defensive tank roll a pali,if you want an offensive tank, spec your armsman full pole/2h hight slash/thrust.

p.s:It was always plenty of s/s armsman,and now of s/s/pole but the n.1 armsmen in the story of this server were always max pole/2h 44-50 in the slash/thrust line.

 

[lofff]

well, with 27+16parry and moparry1 i parry way too much.. but it does not really make a difference, heavy armour and tank hps, buffs, pbt and heals are what make tanks actually "tank" in combat.. that thingie u talking about defense doesnt really exist.

the weapon skill u lose form 50pole 50weapon to 50pole 39weapon is insignificant, almost no difference.

slam been SO usefull just lets no place for full pole specs.. but well albs tend to do those thingies.. (wizzies spec fire, clerics go smithe.. etc)

looking at ur sig its preety obvious u wont agree

ps: dont talk about evade lol.. evade 1 means u evade once per 2days /played ..

 

[Kagato.]

Personally I love being full pole, can't be touched for damage in melee and with 28+14 in parry and Mastery of Parry im quite happy with my parry rate.

Fair enough I can't slam, but then with the Defenders combo I still have my 9 second stun in a two hit very high damage/low fatigue cost chain which pretty much wins any duel.

If you run with the zerg, sure go slam, but for one on one solo and dueling full pole rocks. Both specs have there advantages, which works for you depends on your play style.