Are thanes realy that bad..

[old.willowywicca]

Originally posted by Skrad


Or.... do healers just like /yelling at us mezzbreakers?

I think it's becos doing that will kill a few enemies in a faster time, bu then the rest all have taken 10% of their life in damage.. and hae 1 min immunity to mez and stun, overall many more mids will die in these circumstances, possibly even too many of them..

Mez and break with single target stun and group gank is the way to win efficently with minimal losses to your own force

being mezzed + stunned give those that survive (and many will) plenty of time to find all the casters/healers in the opposing forces and rest assured when the CC wears off/is broken, they will go straight for those weaker elements of the enemy forces..

 

[diva]

Imo most of you are wrong in your opinions of the Thane class.

I'd say the hybrid caster/melee Thane class is indeed one of the games best 1on1 chars to play in RvR.

We might not be the easiest chars to play or best equipped class, but we are indeed leathal. Nor do we have the ability to stealth which makes, for example, an SB a better overall char, BUT in a fair 1on1 combat you can consider yourself owned by the thane.

With the use of RAs or not, the thane WILL look upon your dead body, IF played correctly. I say again... thanes are not easy to play... most ppl play them very bad and by doing so they give us a bad repuation. But well played thanes is a deadly weapon.

Most ppl underestimate the power of the thanes DMG add buff. The right use of this buff together with your endurance usage, slam and insta spells is what makes the thane close to invincible in "fair" 1on1 encounters.

* "fair" meaning both players is at their best when they enter the combat and have not reacently been in a fight.

and btw, most of you are too fixed by the fact that thanes spells make little dmg. You say our SC line is gimped and therefor the thanes themselves are gimped. When I hear this I laugh... it only shows how close to newbies you prove to be and how little you know about your char.

Honestly, the thane spell dmg means S H I T. It's the right USE of these spells that makes them irreplacable. I'm not saying a dmg boost to these spells would hurt, for the newbie playing thanes that is, who obviously don't have better imagination than to mjolnnir whatever comes visual.

I think a lot of you disagree with me and you "know" I'm wrong - then PROVE it !

Ever faced a well played thane in 1on1? - guess not.

 

[old.willowywicca]

Originally posted by diva
Most ppl underestimate the power of the thanes DMG add buff. The right use of this buff together with your endurance usage, slam and insta spells is what makes the thane close to invincible in "fair" 1on1 encounters.

I like this part.. the right usage of this buff.. that'd be casting it then?? :sleeping: so most thane's don't remember to cast it, and that's why they lose? right...

and as for the proving it part.. maybe if you'd say who your char is and not hide it then we might have a chance to prove it

 

[clearbrook]

"We might not be the easiest chars to play"...
"they give us a bad repuation"

erm I think that diva claims to be a thane Mal...

 

[old.willowywicca]

diva is a lvl 40 cleric, so his thane's char name is not diva.. hence he's hiding who he is

 

[Solid]

Heh well best thanes on our server are Kephan, Divious, Blakkr, Blej Max and TPT and diva is deffo not one of these so must be the best thane on Excal maybe?

do please reveal yourself Sir Thane and let us learn from you endless pool of knowledge about our class.

 

[old.Max Payne]

I actually love it when ppl underestimate a Thane.. till they meet one 1on1.

 

[Lochlyessa]

Originally posted by old.Max Payne
I actually love it when ppl underestimate a Thane.. till they meet one 1on1.

Then they.. kill you?

 

[Lochlyessa]

Originally posted by diva
Imo most of you are wrong in your opinions of the Thane class.

I'd say the hybrid caster/melee Thane class is indeed one of the games best 1on1 chars to play in RvR.

We might not be the easiest chars to play or best equipped class, but we are indeed leathal. Nor do we have the ability to stealth which makes, for example, an SB a better overall char, BUT in a fair 1on1 combat you can consider yourself owned by the thane.

With the use of RAs or not, the thane WILL look upon your dead body, IF played correctly. I say again... thanes are not easy to play... most ppl play them very bad and by doing so they give us a bad repuation. But well played thanes is a deadly weapon.

Most ppl underestimate the power of the thanes DMG add buff. The right use of this buff together with your endurance usage, slam and insta spells is what makes the thane close to invincible in "fair" 1on1 encounters.

* "fair" meaning both players is at their best when they enter the combat and have not reacently been in a fight.

and btw, most of you are too fixed by the fact that thanes spells make little dmg. You say our SC line is gimped and therefor the thanes themselves are gimped. When I hear this I laugh... it only shows how close to newbies you prove to be and how little you know about your char.

Honestly, the thane spell dmg means S H I T. It's the right USE of these spells that makes them irreplacable. I'm not saying a dmg boost to these spells would hurt, for the newbie playing thanes that is, who obviously don't have better imagination than to mjolnnir whatever comes visual.

I think a lot of you disagree with me and you "know" I'm wrong - then PROVE it !

Ever faced a well played thane in 1on1? - guess not.

So, according to you a thane played correctly is close to invincible in 1v1? Hmm.. ok!

Maybe you ought to try actually rvring with your thane, and not spouting bs on forums

 

[old.Max Payne]

Originally posted by Lochlyessa


Then they.. kill you?

Sigh..
Not everyone plays a overpowered class.

 

[Lochlyessa]

Originally posted by old.Max Payne


Sigh..
Not everyone plays a overpowered class.

Overpowered? with my 16 smite? pfft

 

[Solid]

Raaaah Handbags at noon. My monies on Loch

 

[Lochlyessa]

Originally posted by Solid
Raaaah Handbags at noon. My monies on Loch

 

[AzuratMinimus]

The whole thane discussion sucks really since what it seems to be about is " I can´t kill everyone therefor i´m a gimp". Don´t play a class cause it´s uber, play it´s cause it fits your play style.

 

[Lochlyessa]

Originally posted by AzuratMinimus
The whole thane discussion sucks really since what it seems to be about is " I can´t kill everyone therefor i´m a gimp". Don´t play a class cause it´s uber, play it´s cause it fits your play style.

what happens if your playing style is killing everyone then?

 

[AzuratMinimus]

Well then you try, but it´s impossible if you´re not a uber buffed infill/sb.

And playing style isn´t really about killing everyone, it´s more like do i like using spells to nuke the shit out of my enemies, or would spells that weakens my enemy be better, or do i like to kill my enemy with a sword. Maybe i wanna have the abillity to use both cast spells and use a weapon.

 

[AzuratMinimus]

If you´re really out just to kill everyone you should go play some quake though, where you´re skills is the only thing that matter.

 

[vladamyr]

Well Diva i dont think were close to invinacable but we aint Gimped etc


As for Solid saying RPs dont mean shit, i think hes right a noobeh who dont know how to play could just run with the zerg 15 hours a day and get a good RR. Its hard to say what a skilled thane is... But i thnk a good thane is someone who KNOWS how to play and knowing how to play the Thane class isnt just cast bolt, cast instas and go melee well it hasnt been in my case.

 

[Solid]

My point is that as well as knowing how to play, I know the massive shortcomings of my class. I know that they are nowhere near enough the casters people think they are.

Whats this bulshit about "Nuke the shit out of the enemy". Thane sCANNOT Nuke the shit out of anyone, thats the god damn root of the problem. Single DD for 200 and Insta for 130 is NOT equal to "Nuking the shit out of someone"

 

[SilverHood]

ah solid, but thats the way I thought it would be when I read the thane description

personally, I'd rather have the un nerfed cleric smite line while keeping our buffs

would make thanes something else than rp cows

And Diva, offering your vast expertise, can I truly congratualte you for looking like the fool of the week on these forums.

I've been playing my thane since release, took a while to get to 50 because I didn't know Midgard, and I think I know how to play "my thane", because he surely isn't "your thane", or your "idea of what a thane should be (tm)"

People aren't really complaining that thanes are uber gimps, we're just not what we want a thane to be, or rather, what the thane "should" be.

I've specced 46 into the stormcalling line. That means I don't use shield in RvR as I have 50 in Axe. What is pissing of thanes, is the fact that a lvl 48 DD, and even the lvl 45 AoE DD does utterly shite damage for the amount of points you spec in it. I don't have the last bolt, but the second to last one is so shite it's only used for pulling mobs in PvE. It isn't worth having on my RvR quickbar unless I'm running about solo.

Clerics could probably spec smite to about 35 and still do the same damage a thane does at 48 SC, or more likely, probably more.

I'm contemplating going 50 axe, 42 shield, 38 SC and 10 parry for the sole reason that the SC line sucks. The STR buff I loose out on won't matter, since I have a buff bot available most nights (gets my STR to over 300, which is dmg cap). Only thing I'm missing out on is the last damage add.... though I honestly think i can live without it....

Sadly, thats now how I want to play my char... if it was, I would have played a Warrior.

So Thanes play a shite caster, or a poor tank, or a combination of both.

Whichever way you choose, you're still going to be gimp. Only thing keeping Thanes alive are RA's... thank god for IP, Aug con, Toughness, AoM and so forth... wouldn't stand a chance without them.

 

[Lochlyessa]

Just wondering why you think that giving thanes the 'unnerfed' smite line. on top of your weapon spec, shield spec etc, and ability to get ip and fa2 for healing, would make it any less unbalanced then a cleric having it? Afaik normally thanes have more hp then clerics unbuffed, and altho clerics get self buffs, it's quite easy to beg a few buffs from a healer/shammy.

Clerics also have to fit smite/rejuv/enhance with only x1 points per lvl, thanes get 1.5? or 2, not sure on that.. a smite spec on a thane imo would be even more unbalanced than when clerics had it.

 

[SilverHood]

I can always dream

And most thanes don't even have 1500 hp unbuffed... I have 1322 atm...

 

[Solid]

Thane hp cap without any RA or buffs is 1368 for Norse/Troll and 1404 as a Dwarf. Nowhere near 1500. and impossible to attain without gimping your resists. Average Thane hp without RA is 1290ish.

I dont want the full smite line, just a timer off my Thors Lightning, Dex affecting myc cast time and a fixed Str buff.

 

[SilverHood]

yeah, what he said

 

[old.Max Payne]

Got 1409 atm, and kinda happy now.. with FA II and IP i'm not easy to get down for a other tank! cause infil's and casters rape me... well they did before patch, don't know now with my respec but anway..

Offcourse.. average pally's, armsmans etc have like 1600 or so but you can take that difference away with your spells.

 

[vladamyr]

Correct.

Stealthers IMO should NOT b able to take down a tank in the beggining they were there for the casters but its geting to a stage where everyone see the power of stealthers and re making a SB.

Ok so Thanes arent just the only stealther food its also warriors an sometimes skalds the only thing steathers are scared of afaik are zerkers/heroes.

In solo encounters with non stealthers ive mostly come out on top or was about to win but then 5 friends came to help kill me

i cant be botherd wining about my class cos the real fact is its up to mythic and i honoustly dont think they will just forget us they have to do something i mean i visit IGN viking forums and the TLs there do nothing but whine and bitch non-stop, i mean how much can u take?

 

[old.Sko]

Originally posted by old.Max Payne
Got 1409 atm, and kinda happy now.. with FA II and IP i'm not easy to get down for a other tank! cause infil's and casters rape me... well they did before patch, don't know now with my respec but anway..

I believe patch has not changed much in that department, though i noticed that its easier to land slam now (or maybe its case of my ever-lag connection - i think that i face opponent, when in fact showing him my arse).

And Vlad, come to apk solo more. First thane i`ve taken down while rez-sick

 

[old.mattshanes]

No class is bad in rvr depends what you fight and the player mainly.Also how you have specced things during the thing you come up against you may have an advantage if not you will have a disadvantage,yet half the things you do and half you don't.