Are thanes realy that bad..

[Gaam]

Hi im a thane that dont have played to much RvR yet.. and im wonder is Thanes so bad in RvR.. i mean.. u have instand bolt that interupt casters and things.. i think hes pretty good... what u all thanes xp off RvR with a thane..

 

[SilverHood]

hmm, not sure what to say

once you get Ignore pain, you're not "that" bad

it all depends on how you see your character

1st thing, you cannot go about in emain solo

most things with 2 legs own you.
1 vs 1 encounters - you don't win a lot of these unless you have IP ready, and your enemy doesn't.

I've got 50 axe, and I hit hard, 300-500 damage on chain epic armor, 300-400 being the normal, 400+ if lucky or buffed.
But we have relatively shite hps for a tank, 1322 atm, with most alb/hib tanks having 1500+ hps.

Casters are not that hard (again, if you got IP), with our interupt, only mez classes can kill us, those who root us simply get mjolnired to death.

To be honest, I'd say we suck pretty hard, having played both skald and SB in RvR.

But nothing beats seeing this during a milegate charge:

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Ok, so the damage isn't that great, but it interupts casters, lags people on 56k, and pisses of the healers.

We may not be uber, we may be gimps, but damn we're fun to play

 

[Hufner]

Most classes sucks for some players...

Depends on your expectations and experience I'd say

According to Silverhood's considerations, I should just delete my warrior

(Not that Silverhood says so, but applying the same arguments to warriors gets depressing...)

 

[Solid]

Thanes are very poor Tanks with a sub par Stormcalling line. A skald and a baselien Str buff from a 50 healer negates the Thanes Damage and Str buff.

The insta is pitifully low on damage (140 ish on even cons) and on a 20 sec timer. The castable DD is nice, takes foever to cast and has a 30 sec timer, not very usable in the midst of a frenzied battle.

AoE hammers? lets not even go there. I once hit 28n people at the same time in one Mjolnir in a keep raid at the lords room, average damage to them was 30 !!!

Thats potential to break 28 Mezzed enemy chars for average of 30 damage each and give them a 1 min immunity timer (if indeed they were mezzed)

We have lousy hitpoints for a class that is effectively reduced to being a mainline tank with a nice Insta DD to interupt. If they woyuld make our Stomcallign more viable I am happy with the lower hp.

We are the only non plate wearing tank without Evade 1, I am absolutely clueless as to why.

There is always anotehr class that can do any job a thane can do, but better. Warrior is a better tank, Zerker a better damage dealer, skald more group friendly, runie/SM better casters. We dont bring anything unique to a group, thats where we fail, and I attribute it 100% to having a poor Stormcalling line.

Add to that all pure melee classes get very cheap RA's we sufer even more compared to Warriors and Zerkers now.

That said, if you enjoy your thane then go on playing it.

I am just a very analytical person and I seem to nitice all to readily my class's failings.

 

[blain]

Yes

 

[old.tuppe]

have read alott thane complaining, dont play one.
so i trust their wiev.
at this point i need too remind people hunter
rogue line, evade 1, now evade 2 when patched, slow spear whit 1h damage!
no defense abilities!
studded armor!
all anytime style has penalty to defense.
shortest range as archers
lowest damage as archers
all can shoot same speed, but alb/hib archers has acces slower bows -> higher damage
etc etc

 

[old.Max Payne]

I love my Thane.. haven't lost much duels against other tanks so they aren't THAT bad... it's all about how you play your class.. some ppl suck at it, others don't.

 

[Solid]

Max

thanes fare ok when played as a Tank, but thats not how I and many others believe they should be played. I have said this countless times and I still think its so:

Thane = 70% Tank, 10% Caster, 20% missing

IMO that 20% needs to go into Stormcalling and make us a more of a Tank/Caster.

Thanes should be similar to clerics. Currently Clerics are 40% Healer, 40% Caster, 20% Tank and do ad up to 100%

Thanes dont.

Sure I can play my Thane as a Tank, but then why bother? if I wanted to play as a tank I woulda rolled a warrior that is shit loads more effective as playing a tank

 

[Freddy4Fingers]

yes...

 

[old.Max Payne]

Well, I play Max as a tank and I like it.

 

[Solid]

Well then you would be better as a Warrior then cos Thanes are bad tanks

 

[old.Gombur Glodson]

Ask Kephan if Thanes are bad

 

[Gaam]

Originally posted by old.Max Payne
I love my Thane.. haven't lost much duels against other tanks so they aren't THAT bad... it's all about how you play your class.. some ppl suck at it, others don't.

Thx max for thoes kind words.. im looking forward to play with u in the front... i kinda like my Thane.. and like u sad.. its how u play it.. and who knows we can be better if mystic wants

 

[SilverHood]

give some a handful of uber drops and they probably wouldn't suck so badly

and if they played RvR constantly I suppose, RA's coming out of his arse, he can probably solo anything.

For a bog standard thane with bog standard items, we are gimped.

Even with good items, we're still gimps.

 

[Gaam]

Originally posted by old.Gombur Glodson
Ask Kephan if Thanes are bad

hehe--- who is Kephan.. is he good?

 

[old.Max Payne]

Kephan is nr. 1 Thane rp holder. 1.5mil rp.

 

[vladamyr]

mmm it all just depends m8, Im not saying Thanes can do with mythics help as they need it but a well payed thane is very good. I think what makes us better than just a tank in melee are our instas these can really help. And when we get an uper hand on somone we can cast the dd aswell. Mjollner pretty much sucks exept for the person u cast it on and it is a pain for breaking mezz but just recently it seems everyone is a little AE happy.

My advice is if u enjoy Ure thane play it and dont worry too much about what the others say.

 

[Solid]

I would only use 2 spells in my SC range in combat, Insta single target DD and a 1 time castable DD at beginning before melee combat. Rest is not efficient use of End and Power.

So for 90% of RvR I basically run around clubbing things with my hammer cos I am restricted by silly timers and some shit damafe high power insta pbaoe.

Ask kephan if he thinks he woulda had more rp with a 50 Warrior, I bet he would say yes.

Just cos he has 1.5m rp dont mean thanes are great, he has prolly the highest /played of any thane on this server and most of his /played is farming in Emain. how many rp you got means jack shit when comparing classes to each other and their viability, quicker people figure that out the better.

Currently Kephans realm abilities make him good, he would be even better as a warrior.

 

[swords]

i would say thanes need a little something special.
simply reducing the timers wouln't solve anything realy.

the stormcalling line dmg needs to be improved greatly.
I always thought the thane should have some kind of stun realy.

i dont care if were gimped i would not delete him for anything and he's very enjoyable to play tbh. much better than playing a pure tank class and much more challenging.

(ie when NOT to cast instabolt etc...mezzbreakers suck ass)

 

[old.Noita]

I love my Thane... true shes too litte to have done any significant RvR but Im looking forward to Slam and so on.

At the moment... I think shes great though.

 

[Cadire]

My Thane is never going to set the world on fire, but it is a lot of fun to play.

In RvR it is most definately a support class. Stormcalling is useful for interupting casters, or maybe slowing down an enemy class with haste. While the infamous Mjolliner is pretty cool for attacking/defending keeps as it's not on a timer. A lone Thane (especially a Troll who's lost speed) is an easy target for Alb/Hib zergs... so stick with the crowd

Melee skills are below par, though a Thane and a Warrior make a good combination, especially if they've both specced in shield (Two Warriors would do better though, but the Thane's SC line may help with the initial contact). Thanes seem to work best when partnered with a Healer.

 

[SilverHood]

dunno about the healer part

some people don trust thanes with pox

 

[Gaam]

Well i think i stick to my thane.. continue and lvl him to 50.. and then start lvl my alt warrior.. current lvl 20.. maybe take him to 24 before im done with Gaam to lvl 50.. thx for tell what u think.. guys.

 

[SilverHood]

well, by the time you get to malmohus, you will be leveling your warrior a lot

 

[Solid]

I worked very hard to get my Thane specced and kitted out to be as good as an average warrior. I chose good realm abilities, I have pretty mych nearly all the best end game items I can get (bar a WoW belt and a Frigid Glacier Skin and a Wormskin Bracer)

 

[Derric]

"Are Thanes really that bad?"

Hmm..yeah

 

[Nonnier]

spec 42 axe, 42 shield, 48 stormcalling and your thane becomes quite a nice tank (can solo orange with only losing half health). Just remember that our low hits mean that we are a bit vanerable to steathers, but a good use of IP and heath regans charges (belt of dread glow for example) and we can solo anything (well not everything)

 

[Fafnir]

Well we have quite a few thanes running around wanting to use their mjölner. I was grouped with Numia once and she stunned the albs and we nearly got a few of them down with my mjölner.

So why dont more healers use stun?
Is it another specline than mezz, is it slower to cast, does it take more end/power?

And if we used stun more 10 thanes/shaman could mjölner/dot alot of enemies to death since the damage adds up. Yeah 30-40 here and there but it adds.

 

[Skrad]

Originally posted by Fafnir
So why dont more healers use stun?
Is it another specline than mezz, is it slower to cast, does it take more end/power?

Or.... do healers just like /yelling at us mezzbreakers?

 

[Solid]

Simply put The Mjolnir Spell sux, the damage at radius perimeter is awful, noone should kid themselves, the spell is next to useless in pitched battles.

TBH I dont really get urges to spam AE, thats not the reason I rolled a Thane, I want to be able to hit and hit hard, be it spell or hammer. Melee damage is fine imo, spell damage, esp single target is pooooooooooooooo