Are shamans expected to heal?

[DocWolfe]

I'm just making a shaman on excal and I'm wondering if I should spec to 27 in mend and bring down aug. Cave is staying at 41. I spoke to someone last night that said that shamans aren't expected to heal just to buff and do the dots etc.

41 cave
34 aug
7 mend

/or/

41 cave
27 mend
22 aug

thanks for any help

 

[Jiggs]

spec 1aug, its not like mids need end regen

 

[Meeks]

Stop at 32 aug for the first group end regen, 41 cave and put the rest in mending
(all you get from speccing 34 is a useless new dmg add)

 

[-chancer-]

considering there's only really 2 class's that heal yes shaman are supposed ot heal

 

[psychoid]

How u spec is up to u, my shaman is going 47Cave, 9 mend, 24 aug.

I wanna wipe my socks under my arms and throw them in the face off all wee hippies, and foolish albies.
and cause serious DoT effects.
Pref AE to break mezzes.
just so i can annoy every 1.


SB with an shaman alt..

 

[old.amoeba]

Why spec 41 cave?

Either go 36, or 46. Spending the extra 5 spec points in cave, for a new DD and BOLT (which and pretty pants in rvr) is a waste IMO.

Definitely get 32 aug though - repeat casting end regen every 10 minute on the whole group will drive you insane.

Shamans healing is not very good. But we can reduce downtime hugely with the friggs (and group friggs if you go high enough).

My spec is going to be 32/36/12 amc, for the 2nd best ae dot, and the 2nd best buffs and resists. The rest goes into mend for the remove disease/poison and the 1st frigg for helping to powerlevel lowbies.

 

[Archeon]

My Shamans end spec is gonna be

Mend - 27 (Group friggs, but i had some points left over and it was the only line i could get an extra spell in)

Aug - 28 (Group end is more convienient but it isn't necessery)

Cave - 37 (2nd best spells in all areas. even if pbae des sucks)

I fell in love with group friggs a while ago, coupled with PBT i feel its one of the most powerful support combos in the game.

AE dots arn't that important as if your caught using it in RvR by a healer your in deep shit

End best St end buff which is enough to satisfy most people i'l think, unless your in a really extended fight there probably won't be much difference between perma styling and having to non-style for 1-2 rounds.


But thats just me, spec how you want to spec not based on what everyone else does otherwise you'l be creating a character that suits the style of others, not suiting your style of play.

 

[AbPoon]

Not joining my grp if you got no end regen dead weight

 

[Archeon]

Don't want beserkers in my group, their totally useless except for 20 seconds every seven minutes, then they use their 'Ultimate RvR' Taunt turn into a hampster get a pole shoved up their ass and fall over in a groan of bi-sexual pleasure

 

[nju]

boof me

 

[rhesusminus]

Originally posted by -chancer-
considering there's only really 2 class's that heal yes shaman are supposed ot heal

Heal or not, depends only on how you want to play, do what you feel is funnier.
Caveshammies can quite easily solo orange mobs, in case of resists just sprint away with endurancebuffs on

Originally posted by AbPoon
Not joining my grp if you got no end regen dead weight

löl

 

[Larra]

oi! a berserker not only outdamages most tanks in groups, but also give reason to having healers

i think it would be fun to play a mending shaman, but the temptation of evil dots for the bg would be too great for me - i would finally get revenge on you gits that kept aoe dotting anything and everything

 

[redknapp]

Basically:

Miss out the Mend and folk will blame you when they die, even if you quite plainly tell them before you start "I have no heal spec"

Miss out the Aug and your group will probably find another Shaman, the End Regen buff had my services in demand at lvl 35 by melee types ten levels higher.

Miss out the Cave and you will feel entirely useless if a healer joins the group, as they have better heals than we will ever dream of having. People will start asking what you are doing while they are killing.

The truth is that no matter how you spec, people will say you are gimped, wrong, no use. Its all crap, spec your Shaman the way that you feel comfortable speccing it. Every Shaman spec is useful in a group, including cave spec.

In RvR, I hear that the Shaman is the ultimate keep-taking machine if cave-specced.

 

[shilak]

If you want a good chance of getting groups in RvR you need at least 32 Aug. Mend is a waste of points on shaman as getting it high enough to be useful will be at the expense of Aug/Cave, mend spec on healer is much better than shamans with the exception of Frigg's which are only any use during downtime as the combat regen pulse is so damn long.

Personally, I think MAC 38/12/36 is the best spec for open RvR. MAC 26/10/46 is an alternative if you intend to be part of an AoE group or do a lot of keep take/defence.

 

[Runolaz]

I think there are so many good spec to choose from, but as someone else pointed out...you need to spec what you like.

I like the balanced spec...and if I ever get my Shaman past the BuffB0tt stage, I will probably go 37Aug/26Mend/29Cave.

 

[Solid]

Hehe Runolaz thats how I am speccing my Shaman

37 Aug gets me end 4 and capping buffs (with MoA 2)
26 Mend gets me Group Friggs and a 300+ spec heal
29 Cave gets me 3rd best AE DOT.

Of course my Shaman is primarily a buffer so for reg Shamans looking for a more balanced build they should go 32 Aug 26 Mend rest Cave.

And yes a Shaman with 14 Mend heals just as poorly as a Healer with 14 mend. Only thing Mend spec gets for Healers thats better than shammies is the gorup/single insta heals and next patch the spread heals.

Spec heals are soooooo much more efficient than baseline heals and dont rely on +Mend to cap.

As a high cave shaman (usually no higher than 14 in Mend) its IMPERATIVE you get +11 Mend on your SC suit as you will be using baseline heals and want to limit variance as much as possible.

As a balanced spec such as the one I mentioned above no +Mend is required as your 25 spec heal is plenty fine for RvR healing, all you need is +11 Cave to reduce variance on your single target DoT's. at 29 Cave a RR5 Shaman can hae 44 Cave spec with capped items and +4 from RR.

 

[Archeon]

Originally posted by Solid
Only thing Mend spec gets for Healers thats better than shammies is the gorup/single insta heals and next patch the spread heals.

Shamans that spec in mend -

Single Target Friggs
Group Friggs
...
...Umm, thats it


Healers that spec in mend (thats me ) -

4th Tier (Major) heals
3rd and 4th ressurection spells
Spec Group Heal
Cure Mez
Single target instant heals
Group Instant Heal
Heal neediest (Spread) heals <next patch>

Quite a big difference me thinks, sorry just wanting to point out that the shaman mend spec seriously can't compare with the healer line. I'm such an elitist bastard

 

[duact]

50 mending then heal.

 

[domin8or]

48 Aug, 21 Mending 12 cave is best spec

 

[Runolaz]

Originally posted by Solid


Of course my Shaman is primarily a buffer so for reg Shamans looking for a more balanced build they should go 32 Aug 26 Mend rest Cave.

Aye...can't hide the fact that my Shaman is a BuffB0tt

If Runo had been my main char I would proabably work around a template like 41Cave/14Mend/32Aug. :great:

 

[Subbiz]

42 aug rest mend screw cave!

 

[Subbiz]

Originally posted by Archeon


Shamans that spec in mend -

Single Target Friggs
Group Friggs
...
...Umm, thats it


Healers that spec in mend (thats me ) -

4th Tier (Major) heals
3rd and 4th ressurection spells
Spec Group Heal
Cure Mez
Single target instant heals
Group Instant Heal
Heal neediest (Spread) heals <next patch>

Quite a big difference me thinks, sorry just wanting to point out that the shaman mend spec seriously can't compare with the healer line. I'm such an elitist bastard

shammies gets atleast as good healing abilities as healers if specced mend, in pretty much any case its best to use emendation if u got lots of mend, and the last friggs are quite uber also.

Its only the new changes that makes healers better for healing compared to shamans if u ask me. instaheals are good ofc but insta groupheal wont do u much good in pve encounters most of the time (aka instadeath button)..

but shammies should do more in aug then in mend, no doubt about it.. and cave just sucks :>

 

[old.Varg]

If you aim for standard emain type rvr - go 32 aug 43 mending, cave is nice but very situational.

Mending is very rarely specced by healers so you will be loved for your heling capacity and tier 4 end regen :>

 

[kameh]

I'm taking my shaman to:

43 Mending
32 Augmentation

why? because he'll never rvr and he's made for farming money with my hunter

 

[Runolaz]

Originally posted by kameh
I'm taking my shaman to:

43 Mending
32 Augmentation

why? because he'll never rvr and he's made for farming money with my hunter

If your making a shaman for BuffB0tt to lvl chars, farm money or just buff for RvR...then you don't need mending at 43.

Runo has 12 Mend and like +4 to it. Thats more than enough to keep my Warrior chaining orange spiders in Spindelhalla non stop. When I use him on my SB I can farm f.eks DF or even take red/purp mobs like Sleipnierson in Raumarik. It's actually fun when I kill a red Sleipnierson without getting a scratch :great:

I don't know if I'm gonna lvl my Shaman past 39, but by that time I will have 37aug/12Mend. For farming it's possible that 37Aug/21Mend/33Cave is best...I haven't actually tried the dmg-shield fram 33Cave, but with my current spec I can't see why raising Mend over 21 would do any good.

 

[yog-hurt]

yes.

 

[Runolaz]

Originally posted by yog-hurt
yes.

:moon:

 

[kameh]

Originally posted by Runolaz


If your making a shaman for BuffB0tt to lvl chars, farm money or just buff for RvR...then you don't need mending at 43.

Runo has 12 Mend and like +4 to it. Thats more than enough to keep my Warrior chaining orange spiders in Spindelhalla non stop. When I use him on my SB I can farm f.eks DF or even take red/purp mobs like Sleipnierson in Raumarik. It's actually fun when I kill a red Sleipnierson without getting a scratch :great:

I don't know if I'm gonna lvl my Shaman past 39, but by that time I will have 37aug/12Mend. For farming it's possible that 37Aug/21Mend/33Cave is best...I haven't actually tried the dmg-shield fram 33Cave, but with my current spec I can't see why raising Mend over 21 would do any good.

I have no need for cave magic though and those high end friggs would be damn handy. I don't use my shaman as a buffbot for when I go RVRing (I'd rather have the 2nd pc on a forum so I have something to do when I'm waiting or scouting ) I therefor would find the extra heals more use than any cave or better buffs since my dex/quick are about as high as they'll ever go. We'll see though I always wanted to spec a high end shaman simply because they're so unusual these days and I like being different

 

[Archeon]

Originally posted by Subbiz
(aka instadeath button)..

Yeah, i have noticed that restoring every member of my group to 100% health does tend draw a tiney, tiny bit of aggro

Then again, thats what the amnesia spell is for.