Are Friar unbalanced? (Little whine :)

[SFXman]

Originally posted by sharma WE ARE NOT OVERPOWERED

i have experiance against other classes in RvR, we dont stand a chance against a warrior, i swear.

At level 35 you don't have the nicest things on you yet... but anyway (Not even close actually).

sure we can to 200-300 damage in a short time, its called a short attack speed buff which only last about 30secs.

Fights 1 on 1 don't last too long... the timer is a mere 180s which is not much in RvR. L35 you don't have the best of the hastes which is 38% btw.

we cannot tank very weel, we have only leather, BUT we make up for this by evade. we will never be as good as an infil or scout for evading. we dont evade a terrible amount.

1 on 1 against MOBS we are good... but I agree.

we can solo, but our downtime is large, we need to get health,mana AND endurance.

I agree about not nerfing friars but this is not true
Health you heal in a moment with 15 rej, endurance is gained backed in 15 seconds with my my end regen while sitting and it doesn't take much power. The power regens without you noticing tbh. When soloing yellow you have regen power maybe every 4-5 fights.


But I am still 100% sure that friars do NOT need nerfs. We are only excellent in soloing, all one has to do is look at RP tables to get my point. I will say it again, ability to solo well is not an advantage at 40 tbh...

 

[old.Aure]

Originally posted by Atomi
Well I know we are not owerpovered, because I play a friar(sometimes, if I want to die in RvR, or found some PvE event)

The most powerful classes in PvE, the most popular classes: cleric, armsman, paladin, wizard, skald, thane, healer, runemaster, hero, eldritch, enchanter, bard, druid, champion, warden

You will only find a warden in pve come 1.54 and won't find them in RVR at all, unless they are mad.

<sigh> /delete

 

[old.Vandgard]

Originally posted by old.chesnor


Sigh.

Why do you have a go at Frair for posting this, like its some personal attack on you. This thread was a half decent discussion on friars, please don't turn it into a flamefest.

You have detailed why Friars are not overpowered in your opinion, leave it at that. I for one know people who happen to think they are overpowered, and others (like me) who think they are one of daocs better balanced classes. Don't rally against those who call for nerfs, educate them

Starting a thread saying that friars are overpowered based on a class discription and a conversation with a friend is pretty ignorant, its not surprising that some people, those that play the class, are annoyed by it. And i would have thought someone who didn't know much about friars would have found the links to the drunken friar pretty educational.

Personally i think friars are fairly balanced, especially since mythic did a great job in originally screwing up the class due to poor planning and lack of foresight.

At least i can fairly say that i don't fear friars though they are dangerous, they hit hard but i hit harder... a friars strength seems to me to be its utility, they can melee, they have buffs, they can heal.

 

[minstrel_kyra]

friars rock, end of story.

i have a level 22 and i love her!!

i could go on and on but i won't...she's a ninja, she's a healer, she wears leather and evades like mad.

damn glad i made my friar!

 

[Eleasias]

friars are good cause they are easy to drop as archers

 

[SFXman]

Teh RP whore has arrived

 

[old.chesnor]

Originally posted by old.Vandgard


Starting a thread saying that friars are overpowered based on a class discription and a conversation with a friend is pretty ignorant... <snip>

No it's not. Stating your opinions isn't ignorant, trying to censor people posting opinions because you disagree is though...

And back OT. This is about class expectations in my opinion. I had a conversation with someone in Alb who said "healers shouldn't be able to solo orange". I think what she meant was this, that healers who can spec to be soloers are crap healers. Friars get it much worse, they really gimp themselves if they spec to be healers. Every other healer in the game is a support class but the Friar isn't, they bring almost nothing to a group. But people (especially in Albion itself) still see them as healers. And when people see healers doing crazy combat soloing oranges or not grouping because they don't want to be your healing biatch, people call for the nerf bat! Saying stuff like "a healer with Evade V and effectively chain armour! NERF THEM". Just like with smite clerics. They got nerfed because of the cries of NERF THEM!!11 from Albion itself. Nice.....

So basically, as a healing class the friar is unbalanced. Its not good enough at healing and its too good at fighting. As a fighting class it is one of the best though, almost perfect. The reason it needs changing is so there is some room to spec to be a healer at the expense of staff/enhance. Anyone who specs rejuv high on a friar now is a total gimp.

 

[Garnet]

Friars are fun in my honest opinion

 

[-faith-]

Re: Re: Re: Are Friar unbalanced? (Little whine

Originally posted by old.chesnor


Sigh.

Why do you have a go at Frair for posting this, like its some personal attack on you. This thread was a half decent discussion on friars, please don't turn it into a flamefest.

You have detailed why Friars are not overpowered in your opinion, leave it at that. I for one know people who happen to think they are overpowered, and others (like me) who think they are one of daocs better balanced classes. Don't rally against those who call for nerfs, educate them

I hardly think I was having a go, merely pointing him in the right direction to answer the asumptions he made about a class he has never played before.

I dont often post on BW forums, a wise choice as I now can see. The only reason I felt the need to reply in this instance was because I could answer the points he raised, believe me, I have a lovely 3 year old son, a loving partner who I am marrying in 2 weeks, I have better things to do with my time that flame a stranger on some forums.

No it's not. Stating your opinions isn't ignorant, trying to censor people posting opinions because you disagree is though...

This is a forums, you can not censor what someone has said. But he did invite a discussion and I truely believe I delivered an argument without having to resort to petty tantrums.

 

[old.Vandgard]

No it's not. Stating your opinions isn't ignorant, trying to censor people posting opinions because you disagree is though...

I didn't say stating your opinion was ignorant(which makes no sense btw), but the opinion in question and the facts its based on are.
Ignorant means uninformed (about friars in this case) among other things, not some sort of veiled insult like you might be thinking.

Seeing as most of the people so far disagree with frair i'd see that as holding true

And censor? I'm hardly condemning her/him, i don't play a friar and probably never will so it hardly matters to me.
But saying a class is unbalanced based on a conversation with a friend and a basic discription is just wrong.

 

[Frair]

Oh well. It starts like nice discussion about Friars, people explained where did i made logical mistakes and how good/bad are Friars in PvE and RvR. Please also notify that I started with Question, not with yelling "NERF FRIARS" as well as i said that i got my feelings from chat and class description. And if any new-to-albion player will looks on class description (Classes of Camelot for example) with all those benefits Friars have he will get feeling that Friars are very strong.

Though i have to say that my feelings cames from playing a Warden, where wardens, though masters of buble, are quite weak in RvR. After some time I accepted fact that i'm healing class with some fighting ability and such i will never be a real danger in RvR. But when i learned that some healer is able to beat up skald even without buble on, it mades me wonder how it is possible.

So please stop it. If you don't have arguments how good/lovely/bad/gimped/etc Friars are and why, if you don't want correct me, stop flaming or even insulting me. You are just destroying information usefullness of this thread as well as others fun.

Oh and btw, Friars/Wardens healing isn't bad. And in PvE it is good to have class that can decently heal and still survive mobs aggro. Not talking about how good are healings as taunts

And i still think that Friars should be little redesigned, that some spells should be putted in to regrowth lines, making them harder to spec and somehow reward them to spec in rejuv.

And one more thing - I played Friar a little. Only to lvl 20, but still i know a little about them in PvE. In RvR, well, as a NS i fought agaisth them and It was very annoying how badly you could get beating even if your PA sticked. Though it's true that I was never killed by Friars.

 

[Sharma]

<grins>

come to caledonia and ill have you on the end of my whacking stick

 

[GReaper]

Originally posted by Frair
Though i have to say that my feelings cames from playing a Warden, where wardens, though masters of buble, are quite weak in RvR. After some time I accepted fact that i'm healing class with some fighting ability and such i will never be a real danger in RvR. But when i learned that some healer is able to beat up skald even without buble on, it mades me wonder how it is possible.

Quicking comparing Friar and Warden:

• Friar uses a 2 handed weapon, Warden has a 1 handed + shield.
• Friar gets evade 5 for his own defense only, Warden can usually get a 6 sec PBT for the groups defense - but no evade.
• Warden has a choice between slash and thrust types, Friar is stuck to crush.

Both have their advantages and disadvantages. Warden is a lot more defensive, making it weaker for offensive skill.

 

[<Wels>]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Are Friar unbalanced? (Little whine

Originally posted by -faith-

a loving partner who I am marrying in 2 weeks

He will start slacking in 2 weeks Faith

 

[darbey]

Havent really read all the way through thread so apologies if its been said but the first poster said something about moving the enhance buffs etc and maybe some sort of nerf. Well in case you werent aware these buffs etc were put in place to fix what was a broken class several patches ago. Why would you fix a class then break a class. If you ever check out the vn boards ask yourself why the friar class board is significantly quiter than the rest. Basically because they are a balanced class with not much to whine about.

 

[gwari]

"From my point of view, it's not neccessary to nerft them too bad. But putting one or two spells from enhance to rejuv (end reduction buff, absorb?) as well as taking away parry (only healer that have parry and high evade, hell, even hunter/ranger/NS/INF/SB doesn't have parry (ok, they have range or stealth) will maybe makes them fighting healer, not tank killer."

this is the most stupid remark ive ever red on daoc boards i think. You havent got a clue.

http://www.camelot-seer.com/handler.cfm?app=classes&method=pop5

27 Friar 243338

overall in the whole world lvl 50 friars as a class rank 27th. This is a hard fact. Now how do you set that next to us being allegedly "overpowered"?

Do some research before posting bollocks and get your facts straight!

You sir, are a moron.

Stick, lvl 50 friar.

 

[-faith-]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Are Friar unbalanced? (Little whine

Originally posted by &lt;Wels&gt;


He will start slacking in 2 weeks Faith

/em Cuddles Wels, I know he is only envious as Belial gets cooked meals everynight

 

[Jiggs]

okes i see a Friar Bashing thread!!!


grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

http://www.camelot-seer.com/handler.cfm?app=classes&method=rp5

oh look who is second from bottom.

if you fight a Friar 1v1 and you arent Buffed you are going to lose ok.

thx

bye

 

[Atomi]

"putting one or two spells from enhance to rejuv"

I have better idea. Give us the "class fix buffs" just free, then we will not train high in enchant and waste a lots of points from rejuv/staff/parry

"making them harder to spec"

Good, now spec a friar not too hard.
1. e45 s39 r25 p12 the most popular spec. best selfbuffs, not bad healing, low staff, low parry
2. e45 s44 r15 p12 best selfbuffs, bad healing, good staff, low parry
3. e38 s44 r25 p18 dont get the highest selfbuffs, good staff, not bad heal, low parry
4. e45 s44 r7 p18 hmm, better make an armsman
So spec not hard now: 1 skill to high, 1 to medium, 2 low. Or 2 high, and 2 extreme low.
And after you decided your spec, you can start find the +rejuv +staff +parry items. Found any as hard as plate with +thrust skill.

Look at the tanks: 2xpoints and need to spend to 2-3 skills
Look at the assassins 2.2-2.5xpoints and 5skills
...
Looks at the friars: 1.5points and 4skills.
I mean we(and maybe wardens, and of course casters) have the less points/skill in the game, and I agree, we need more and then we can thinking harder how to spec. and would more choise to spec.

"taking away parry (only healer that have parry and high evade, hell, even hunter/ranger/NS/INF/SB doesn't have parry (ok, they have range or stealth)"

Nice, take away the parry, and give us stealth or range... bah give us both At least some fun for us: stealthing or killing from distant is better then parry 1 hit from a zerging realm I mean

"maybe makes them fighting healer, not tank killer."

Friars not healers - not everyone a healer who can heal. We are hybrids.
Tank killer? Thats the assassins

 

[old.Mitsu]

Tell Tristaver from excalibur thats he's not supposed to kill warriors
Btw running away from friars sucks