Appeal for "prime time" Raids!

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Novo

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Posted in all 3 realms! This is not an attack on one realm just an appeal to save one of the last Great challenges left in DAoC.

A Relic Raid USED to be one of the major challenges a realm had left in game (much like each Realms Dragon). Bringing the majority of a Realm together, in secret and staging an attack involved a lot of skill and in some case a little luck. Planning, marshalling, communication, leadership, timing and speed of execution all totally necessary for even a small chance of success.

To be part of a raid USED to be highly exciting and fully adrenal pumping experience. Just like the first week or so of RvR. Whether successful or not, it WAS a thing of pride for each realm to attack and try their skills against their enemy. For the defenders it also was a thing of pride to counter attack and try and defend against. When a Relic Raid is in progress, the alliance chat is filled with commands and reports, groups drop everything and suddenly the game comes alive for a few hours. A sense of loss if you fail or jubilation if you succeed, Fantastic stuff!

NOW it seems to me some people are trying to make one of the last great things of this game insignificant. There is no honour, skill, challenge or pride to set your alarm clock to 6am and attack a sleeping enemy. To justify it with weak replies of its 24/7 game or its WAR. Are passable excuses but even in WAR people are asked to act with decency and respect. Yes you can attack at 6am as it is a 24/7 game. But expect laughs and mild amusement at your pathetic attempt, highlighting the weakness of your realm and the lack of pride you have in it.

Relic’s are trophies that a realm can hold with pride, for meeting what WAS a significant challenge and a great form of FUN. Please don’t degrade it into an another insignificant and meaningless part of the game, as so much else has become. I what challenges to remain in the game, otherwise there is no point in playing.
 
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fenikske

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primetime scenario :
take 400 mids , 400 albs and 400 mids all level 40+ are online at primetime.
- Mids attack albion : 400 envaders & 400 defenders = massive lag + 50 % zonecrash
- 250 hibs trying to find out where the rest is and also comes to albion = ungodly lag + 100% chance of a zonecrash

whats the fun in this then I say?

DAOC is an 24/7 online game , if ya look strategicly you won't gonna do a relic raid that a) is in ungodly lag and b) has 2% chance of success

aldoh I work and I don't have any means to be online at night, non primetime relic raids are more advisable. That doesn't exclude that raids can be organized in primetime. If ya don't wanna loose your precious relic , make them fixed to the relic keep and sell tickets for visiting it :p
 
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fenikske

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ps nice ideology doh , but on the other hand i don't lve in a fairy tale :p
 
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old.Nol

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no fenikske, you live in a nasty real world, where real people die and get crippeled in real wars, started by real arseholes.

We come here to partake in fairytales, hence the fairies in the Bog of Cullen.
 
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fenikske

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Originally posted by old.Nol
no fenikske, you live in a nasty real world, where real people die and get crippeled in real wars, started by real arseholes.

We come here to partake in fairytales, hence the fairies in the Bog of Cullen.

true Nol and a real pitty
but the cruel truth is "In love and war everything is excepted"

ps : if i would be a hib I would want the relic back for sure , so I didn't say i don't understand ya but please be a bit realistic to
 
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old.Nol

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As I stated on many other threads mate, it has nothing to do with the missing relic mate, if I wanted it so BADLY I would just get a few friends together and set my alarm clock.
 
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VodkaFairy

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Why do people compare the war between Midgard, Albion and Hibernia to a real-life war?

A "real" war is hell, people don't buy a gun and join in for the fun. Some morons that don't have a clue what they're talking about <winks to George W. Bush and Osama Bin Laden> start one and everybody suffers from it.

The "in-game" war is not hell, people buy the game to have fun playing it and to achieve goals like reaching level 50 or winning an encounter in the frontiers. Relics are a real challenge to get, far more challenging then running around hoping for an encounter in the frontier zones. Doing a raid on a relic at a time it is hardly being defended is no challenge. It is not healthy for you as person and it certainly isn't increasing the general mood in Hibernia and on the forums (lots of flaming/whining posts).

Nobody can force a group of other players to stop doing raids at 6/7 am in the morning, those people should think about what they're doing. They:

a) Woke up early, or stayed awake so long it's not healthy anyore to get a 10% benefit in a game. In other words: You're ruining your real life to increase your power in a game.
b) Frustrated other people, who gained those relics in a fair way. A fair way being: they took on the big challenge of taking the relics and succeeded. The same way Albion got their three strength relics, which I /salute them for.

Some people are taking this game too seriously, and I absolutely don't care, but I do hope they will wake up (if they ever sleep :p) realising: What the f.. I have my priorities really wrong :(
 
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fenikske

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Originally posted by VodkaFairy
Why do people compare the war between Midgard, Albion and Hibernia to a real-life war?
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I agree partial: read this first :

Primetime scenario :
take 400 mids , 400 albs and 400 mids all level 40+ are online at primetime.
- Mids attack albion : 400 envaders & 400 defenders = massive lag + 50 % zonecrash
- 250 hibs trying to find out where the rest is and also comes to albion = ungodly lag + 100% chance of a zonecrash

whats the fun in this then I say? Is it fun to do a raid where you can hardly move not even mentioning doing something usefull.
Oki let blame goa and our providers for that ............

and there are people who game unhealthy true but their are also peeps who have nightshifts or live in other timezones .........

a) Woke up early, or stayed awake so long it's not healthy anyore to get a 10% benefit in a game. In other words: You're ruining your real life to increase your power in a game.

for this part ... this is the choice of those who do it
You nor I have the right to say they can't
 
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Gorguss

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I completely agree with you Novo, but there seems little we can do about the matter.
This thread is a statue of us trying at least, to make a better server.
And a shout out for more fun.
 
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VodkaFairy

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[edit] gah, wrong button, read next post :/ [/edit]
 
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VodkaFairy

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Originally posted by fenikske

and there are people who game unhealthy true but their are also peeps who have nightshifts or live in other timezones .........

This isn't really a valid argument. True, there probably were some people in another timezone and people with nightshifts in the raid. I'm not talking to them: I'm sure the major part of the raid was European.

Originally posted by fenikske

for this part ... this is the choice of those who do it
You nor I have the right to say they can't

Did I say I have the right they can't? No, I said:

Originally posted by VodkaFairy

Nobody can force a group of other players to stop doing raids at
6/7 am in the morning, those people should think about what they're doing.

And to support this:

Originally posted by VodkaFairy

Some people are taking this game too seriously, and I absolutely don't care, but I do hope they will wake up (if they ever sleep ) realising: What the f.. I have my priorities really wrong

Ok?
 
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fenikske

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Originally posted by VodkaFairy
This isn't really a valid argument. True, there probably were some people in another timezone and people with nightshifts in the raid. I'm not talking to them: I'm sure the major part of the raid was European.
probably, exams were finished and it probably was the the student part of our cosy little society that did the raid.

Nevertheless you statiscaly should have more or less the same amount of students in your realm (i'm sure of that) also who can defend against enemy attacks.

I'm someone of the working part of the comunity and normally i could have been online at that time , probably so could you.
It's our choice not to be , fine for me , but also fien for me that others are online at the time that iam partying or sleeping.

Don't forget it was weekends normally everone was home or could have been home ..... if it was on a thursday at 3 am i could understand you "it's not fair / honorable" part .............. now i can't
 
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VodkaFairy

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Why the hell do you think I don't think 6 am raids are fair? I said it a couple of times and I will say it again:

I don't give a shit if people want to raid at 6 am.

I -do- think people shouldn't stay up till 6 am to raid a relic, knowing they'll piss lots of other players off and knowing they should get some sleep but think the relic is more important.

Please, read before commenting. Basics of a proper discussion :p
 
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VodkaFairy

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Don't forget it was weekends normally everone was home or could have been home ..... if it was on a thursday at 3 am i could understand you "it's not fair / honorable" part .............. now i can't

Saturday is the day with the lowest server population actually. Nor does the 6 am population vary much between the different days.

http://camelot-europe.goa.com/stats/stats.php?lng=uk
 
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Chenuba

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Originally posted by old.Nol
As I stated on many other threads mate, it has nothing to do with the missing relic mate, if I wanted it so BADLY I would just get a few friends together and set my alarm clock.

Do it then, if it's so easy...
 
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old.Tzeentch

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Originally posted by Chenuba


Do it then, if it's so easy...

yes, but you see.. he DOESNT WANT TO DO IT AT THAT TIME.

bloody hell.
 
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old.Nol

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Originally posted by Chenuba


Do it then, if it's so easy...

Taking relics from undefended relics keeps is not in my nature. Why would I stoop to doing it for revenge when that would make me as bad, in my eyes, as the people who originally did it.

I play the game against other players, I play it as fairly as I believe I possibly can. I don't kill grays, I don't grief, I don't use buffbots, I don't use cheats, I don't stand on rocks to XP, I don't laugh at, cry at or jump on opponents. I don't do those things because it goes against my morals.

My "whining" has nothing to do with the relics no longer belonging to Hibernia, it has everything to do with keeping this game playable and enjoyable for the majority of people that pay to play. I stated my opinion when Albion raided Midgard early, when Midgard raided Ablion early and when Midgard raided Hibernia early.

I might not be able to do anything about it, but that won't stop me from standing up and opposing it.
 
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Falcone

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Not going to continue the above arguments but pm me anytime primetime for a raid and ill come running , can be found at 1 of the below characters.




Falconee lvl 50 CS hero
Fallc lvl 29 druid
Falcone lvl 13 eld
Fallcon lvl 11 ment
 
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old.Charonel

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likewise.

tbh most the red dragons of wrath (who have higher chars) are pretty much up for relic raids all the time (all the primetime anyway :D), so when gathering people feel free to drag us along :p, although until i get some more xp i'd be best running around killing mids away from any relic zerg as all id' do is add to the monstrous lag :), but hell you can still be usefull as part of a blocking force :)
 
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old.giriam

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Originally posted by Chenuba


Do it then, if it's so easy...

maybe you do things because they are easy, i tend to do things because they are challenging.

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