AoM5

[Vermillon]

Anyone made any serious tests with Avoidance of Magic 5?
Geting hit by fully buffed caster with ToA template.
Geting hit by max pirce caster.
Having Cleric resists up, (not buffbot cleric).

I only tried for 1-2 runs with group and done some duels with Cabby. And i dont think is enought to have a good look at it, but judging from those i can tell that although AoM5 needs to much points it might be the new must have RA for a tank. Like determination was pre ToA.

If a tank is geting nuked for 300-360 (max nocrit), 450-550 with crits then there are not many things that can kill it.

Ofc i'm talking about group play and not solo. 300-400 on a tank is easy healable dmg on a tank.

After i got AoM5 with my paladin the max dmg by caster i saw was 583 by Aegnor ( gratz for you new RR btw ), and it was with crits, because most of his nukes on me were on 348dmg fix, and it was easy to spot the crits.
A friend cabalist was hiting me for ~320 with 20% body debuff, and ~280 without the debuff. Means that without debuff it will take 8-10 nukes to kill a tank with 2300-2400 HP
I havent played much though and i cant tell for sure. I want to know if anyone of you made any other good tests about it.

 

[dante_must_die]

Aye i have it on me and i wont put it of its really worth the realm points couse all the magic resits if you buffed from a normal cleric goes above 50% and a tank like a good pally can die eazy only from casters but i think this wont happen anymore
i agree it pretty good

 

[Vermillon]

Aye i have it on me and i wont put it of its really worth the realm points couse all the magic resits if you buffed from a normal cleric goes above 50% and a tank like a good pally can die eazy only from casters but i think this wont happen anymore
i agree it pretty good

Is not like 50% resist but is a second caclulation on the dmg you get -20%. Thats why that / excist on your bonus screen (e.x. Spirit 26%/20%).

So i think it works like this.
Spirit 26%/20%
You get nuked for 200 spirit dmg.

first calculation :
200-26% = 200-52= 148

second calculation :
148-20% = 148 -29.6 = ~118

That was before some patch long time ago
If it was one calculation it would be :
200-46% = 200 - 82 = 108

But that 20% is not effected by debuff or resist pierce.

 

[dante_must_die]

The thing is that for a pally that needs to be alive to bodyguard - guard a group member and when the only threat there is for a almost instant kill is enemy casters i think is a good passive realm ability !

 

[inqy]

does it affect elemental weapons?

 

[Foadon]

yep it affects elemental weaps as it is increased magic resist and LWs do magic resist damage :d

on topic- i took aom3 and the 10% resist for 10 points seems a good deal, probably the best combo effect/points there is in the aom line
aom5 would be a little crazy, as you spend another 24points for 10%, but aom3 might become the next basic RA for anyone.



and det sucks :e dont bother taking :<

 

[Sycho]

Empty mind 3 is 30% resists for 45s for 30 points and 10min timer, be better off with that?

 

[Gahn]

Well

I tend to agree with Foadon, AoM3 (got AoM 2 bought today ) best deal over points spent cause it's passive, who can afford EM2 on top of that can have a nasty combo to kill MoC casters tbh.

 

[Araudry]

i think aom4 max is enought 15% resist 20 points its nice if ur high rr ^^
i have it on pala but havent tested much i have been nuked for 200ish by some chanter was a laugh

 

[remi]

tried aom5 on sav, was r0x with all the fotm casters out there.

 

[inqy]

I tried AOM3 on my sb, didn't see much difference against my main enemy infs tbh. So invested elsewhere for now.

 

[dante_must_die]

i agree avoid magic 4 instead of 5 couse in avoid magic 4 you have +15% to all resists(magic) and you spented 1+3+6+10 realm points to get it and if you go for 5 you need 15points more its a little expencive i think

 

[harm]

Using aom3 atm. I also agree that it might give the most reward per rsp spent. Wonder if it stacks with em?

 

[Elitestoner]

aom 5 + empty mind 3 + red resist buffs = 100% resist?

well technically 26 + 20 + 30 + 26 = 102 but would that mean that you get nuked for 0 (-xxx) ? i suppose 10% pierce would mess that up a bit but thats still 90% resist?

 

[Foadon]

you can never be hit for 0 dmg since EM/BAOD/AOM are all on the 2nd calcresist, which means that with 26+24 from suit+buffs u'll get hit for half the dmg, then if u get aom5+EM3 or baod3 you will get 50 or 60% less dmg from the remaining 50%
count in the resist pierce and it would be 50/60% of the remaining 60%

 

[Ilum]

BaoD rox atleast...if u have 1-2 baod'ers in grp the need for aom is much less...and imo determination is still a good RA.

 

[Elendar]

gonna give aom5 a test tonight, see if i notice any diff

 

[Aldrick]

you can never be hit for 0 dmg since EM/BAOD/AOM are all on the 2nd calcresist, which means that with 26+24 from suit+buffs u'll get hit for half the dmg, then if u get aom5+EM3 or baod3 you will get 50 or 60% less dmg from the remaining 50%
count in the resist pierce and it would be 50/60% of the remaining 60%

Thats not true, me and zebolt nuked for 0 damage several times and it was absorbed by barrier which i think is baod?

 

[Wazkyr]

gonna give aom5 a test tonight, see if i notice any diff

nooo, dont ruin my fun, all the hibs/mids, IT SUCKS, take AoM 0 and EM 0
Only albs can use it

 

[Foadon]

Thats not true, me and zebolt nuked for 0 damage several times and it was absorbed by barrier which i think is baod?

thats what i got told atleast
thought they nerfed it so the insane resists couldnt be transformed into 'immunity' anymore, so they made a 2nd resist table, might be that its only for mezduration tho, let someone test :d

maybe the barrier message was from some arti charge, no idea

 

[haarewin]

haha.
barrier is focus cocoon with high resists you are gonna hit for shit on a focus cocoon anyway

 

[Foadon]

if the focus shell is used in the same calculation as first resists then its possible to hit for 0, else i dont really see hitting for 0, since shell isnt 100% absorb

 

[Puppet]

Soldiers Barricade ftw

 

[Fasti]

the RA-resists are counted like this:

resists * 1."ra-resists" = total resists

if you have 50% resists then aom5 and emptymind3 on that would give 50% ra-resists, so the total resist would be 50%*1.50 = 75%resists. Pierce will lower from the total resist.

RA-resists kind of suck when you don't have resists buffs on, because you will only get like +13%more resists (26*1.5). Think the Physical defense works the same, but haven't tested.

 

[Puppet]

RA-resists kind of suck when you don't have resists buffs on, because you will only get like +13%more resists (26*1.5). Think the Physical defense works the same, but haven't tested.

You got it the wrong way around; RA-resists work less effective when you do have resist-buffs.

Basically the higher your first resists the less 'gain' you get from RA-resists. Someone with 50% body-resists only gets 50% benefit from the Resist-RA's when it comes to body resists.

 

[Ilum]

im not a mathematician but this is pretty easy...

whatever percentage you have in RA-increased resists simple as it sounds removes that exact percentage...if 15% from avoidance of magic you will get nuked for exactly 15% less..

so no matter how much your item based resists / resist buffs are, the ra-increased ones help exactly the same percentage wise..

so imo you both got it wrong ^^

 

[Puppet]

im not a mathematician but this is pretty easy...

whatever percentage you have in RA-increased resists simple as it sounds removes that exact percentage...if 15% from avoidance of magic you will get nuked for exactly 15% less..

so no matter how much your item based resists / resist buffs are, the ra-increased ones help exactly the same percentage wise..

so imo you both got it wrong ^^

Ehhmmm well I guess thats a way of looking at it; however what I mean is that AoM gives a lower raw dmg decrease when u got higher resists (from items/resist-buffs).


If you nuke for 600; but the enemy has 50% resists = you nuke for 300. Now add AoM3 (10% ?) and you nuke for 270

Where if someone has a 25% resists = you nuke for 450. Now add AoM3 (10%?) and you nuke for 405.

Ofcourse its a 10% decrease after initially taking the first tier of resists into the equation. But if you calculate the total damage 'absorbed/removed' you understand that Avoidance of Magic becomes less bang for the buck on higher resists on tier 1. On the extreme case of 5% racial on 50% resists this is the equivalent of 10% 'AoM-resists' or BaoD1..

This is the reason I will not take AoM high on my druid; im typically running with 50%+ Body/energy, 55% spirit. To get any feeling for noticing the damage on me is decreased I need about a 10% decrease in total damage; or 20% in AoM. It aint worth it to me; in other words.

 

[Zapsi]

Ehhmmm well I guess thats a way of looking at it; however what I mean is that AoM gives a lower raw dmg decrease when u got higher resists (from items/resist-buffs).


If you nuke for 600; but the enemy has 50% resists = you nuke for 300. Now add AoM3 (10% ?) and you nuke for 270

Where if someone has a 25% resists = you nuke for 450. Now add AoM3 (10%?) and you nuke for 405.

Ofcourse its a 10% decrease after initially taking the first tier of resists into the equation. But if you calculate the total damage 'absorbed/removed' you understand that Avoidance of Magic becomes less bang for the buck on higher resists on tier 1. On the extreme case of 5% racial on 50% resists this is the equivalent of 10% 'AoM-resists' or BaoD1..

This is the reason I will not take AoM high on my druid; im typically running with 50%+ Body/energy, 55% spirit. To get any feeling for noticing the damage on me is decreased I need about a 10% decrease in total damage; or 20% in AoM. It aint worth it to me; in other words.

Well seers other story even rr11 cant give enough points to get aom4 unless u gimp uself where some tanks needs to pick between str 5 or aom 3 or 4 .

Aslong nobody is holding all power relics no need to worry .

 

[Puppet]

Well seers other story even rr11 cant give enough points to get aom4 unless u gimp uself where some tanks needs to pick between str 5 or aom 3 or 4 .

Aslong nobody is holding all power relics no need to worry .

Aye.. Im on 9L9 atm; so 11 points left to get (right?). Im reasonably happy with my current RA-setup tho I would love to have Purge3. Prolly gonna get Purge3 in my RR11-RA setup if I ever get there (highly unlikely tho)

AoM.. well forget it