Anyone for an Intelligent Debate? (no newbie lamers allowed thx)

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Testin da Cable

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poor sheep :)

I read somewhere that 'they' have been able to reproduce the sound from a couple of seconds after the bang using a particle gun [cough accelerator]. Well, I suppose it can be done, but I wonder how said 'they' decided on timeframe heh.
 
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bodhi

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Originally posted by Mr.Blackshirt
Oh before i forget the normal saying is that the bal of mature in the beginning (where did that come from?) got to a critical mass and then exploded.
The main thing missing is still WHY?
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One possibility is gravity. Think about it. Gravity holds most things in the universe together. The closer things get, the stronger gravity becomes. Gravity can become so strong it can form an infinitely dense point of matter known as a singularity, or a Black Hole. If this singularity somehow becomes destabilised and gravity loses its hold, it will explode. Voila, your Big Bang.
 
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mr.Blacky

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true but that would mean that there was an universe before ours. And it doesn't fit with the fact that we are in an ever expanding universe. The only thing that could be made up is that we are the last of the universes? But still where did the matter come from?
Also black holes aren't proven yet, we cant say for sure that there are black holes, there are how ever indications.
 
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Wij

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I'm afraid you start to get into the area here where you can't prove anything with words. Only maths. Since the maths is VERY complex (but also very simple in a curious mathsy sort of way :)) most ppl can not easily be convinced about the origin of the universe. You'd have to study it for years. Sad, but true. All the gubbins about the original 10 dimensional universe spliting into a four dimensional one and a six-dimensional one in order to reach a lower energy state just sounds like a weird crazy theory plucked out of the air unless you understand the maths.

Anyway, according to the current theories either the universe HAD to be as it is now (some weird superstring theories i don't understand set rigid limits to the universe because the maths predicts that it could not be any other way) or many universes were created and obviously we being, intellingent life, will find ourselves situated in a universe capable of supporting intelligent life. iirc that's the anthropic principle. In the universes where no life could exist there is obviously noone there thinking "well 99.9999% of the universes can't support life so I guess the odds were against me."

So, given either of these two theories, the only thing left to answer is why there is ANYTHING AT ALL. Obviously a creationist would say "because God started it all." To which the only sensible reply is "Well what started God then ?" (this argument could continue for a while but I can't be arsed to go on.)

Of course that doesn't prove there is no God. It just means that according to all the evidence we have there is no need to believe that God exists in order to explain why the universe is here. To be honest, I don't think either religious or non-religious people should be unhappy with that situation.
 
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old.D0LLySh33p

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SO, where's the centre of the universe? And what's in it?
 
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Testin da Cable

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well, depending on your outlook, any given point in a universe could be its "center"
 
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Wij

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The best model you can think of for the universe is like the surface of a globe. Where is the centre of that surface. There isn't one :)
 
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Daffeh

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the universe is 'flat'

there is no centre

thats if you accept the new exopyrosis theorem
 
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bodhi

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I have lots of deep theories on this subject, but due to me being intensely stoned, i haven't a clue what they are. man.
 
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mr.Blacky

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going to post about it tomorrow caus i have to read the whole thread again so i can find some points to say. ;)
 
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bodhi

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man them black holes are wicked man. they are like sucking stuff out the universe man.
 
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mr.Blacky

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ok here is my answer:
NO prove of black holes though they sound wicked.
ok wij no probs with that but who is saying that there isn't a dude up that made the rules that work in our universe. In the end it will be a story about defenitions and nothing else. Of course the universe is how it is otherwise we wouldn't be here hehe lol.
oh and what god started was the universe and then what are u gonna ask?
I think this is very funny caus normaly i take the other side rofl
also wine makes you faster intoxicated then beer:D
 
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bodhi

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Originally posted by Mr.Blackshirt
NO prove of black holes though they sound wicked.
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The thing about spcae right, is its black. And the thing about black holes right, is they're black. So how you supposed to see em?
 
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Furr

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To make a long awnser short, they look at stars to see if they are being tugged at by an invisble force, or they see if the light comming from stars is interupted.

Also gravity in our universe if now supposidly meant to be leaking from another universe of which we are attached to by the 11th dimension,
 
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Summo

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Grit. Five specks of grit on the scanner-scope. See, the thing about grit is, it's black, and the thing about scanner-scopes...
 
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Summo

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He would, but he doesn't have room to maneuver in the boot of my car.
 
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