Anyone else spoted the clue's to an incoming savage nerf ?

[stinkie]

1) Quad rate bug is fixed. this doesnt decrease DPS of a savage in anyway. just gives less variance on hits per swing. actualy a good thing for savage imo.

2) A number of midguards styles are changed to open from evade.

I doubt these where put in for the SB as they are worse than the evade chain in the CS line, and the warrior with his evade 1 has hardly been begging for an exade chain either. so it stands to reason they are here for the savage.

Now you could think Mythic has decided to give the savage a boost but we all know that is VERY unlikly. I'm guessing what Mythic has done here is to make 2h savages more viable and fixed the variance on hth in preperation for an up coming nerf.

I doubt we'll have to wait too long either, it wouldnt make sence to release these fixes and then wait a patch to do the nerf.

I'm not saying I'm right but the more i think about it the more this seems to make sence to me.

Regards,

Stinks

 

[-RG-Jaond]

I can feel the Dragonfang NERF coming!!!

MUHAHA

 

[Haldar]

as it stands now

in terms of damage

Assault (10) + ice storm(25) < polar rift (34)

end regen is assumed.

so this change is more likely a boost to sword savages and brings nothing to SBs.

and yes, Mercenaries are gimps, make Dfang chain off parry!

 

[Garnet]

I am so going to laugh hard when DF gets a nerf.

 

[-chancer-]

Originally posted by Garnet
I am so going to laugh hard when DF gets a nerf.

arnt we all?

 

[stinkie]

Originally posted by -RG-Jaond
I can feel the Dragonfang NERF coming!!!

MUHAHA

mate they could take away dragon fang for all i care.

DAOC is designed for RvR not PvP and its only when solo that dragonfang is overpowered.

Group v Group dragon fang adds very little be it in RvR or PvE.

 

[StormriderX]

Savages won't get nerfed cause mid mongs on vn cry too much already. Instead savages will now get chain and evade 5 as well as a reduction in hp cost for their self buffs. Oh and the buffs become group buffs too t.t

 

[Cuteypie_NP]

tissue ? :x

 

[Garnet]

vn noobs....shoot them all

 

[parzi]

storm, i also have to add that the savage whine is extra strong here compared to other servers where i play ocasionally ;P

on lyonesse there is almost no whine about them, but mayb thats cause hibs have all 3 str relics there and some well played hib-meelee grps that do quite ok.

 

[Amadon]

Originally posted by stinkie
I doubt we'll have to wait too long either, it wouldnt make sence to release these fixes and then wait a patch to do the nerf.

from a PR perspective it would make more sense to do the nerf and then give them a boost since people tend to focus on the more recent events, so it would reduce the attention on the nerf

of course this is Mythic we're talking about, so I doubt that sense of any kind applies to them.

 

[BidAccount]

"I am so going to laugh hard when DF gets a nerf."

Not as much as the infils - who will still ahnd you your butt on a plate because:

- a minor reduction (1-2 secs) will not be noticable.
- a complete style change will be as part of a thrust line revamp which we'll welcome!
- if its a big nerf, then large numbers of infils will go slash. And who out there do we know with slash vuln armour....

Jokes on you when you realise that infils didn't rely on 'DF4tehwin' and that the impact would be minimal

 

[Lumikki]

Who actually gives a damn what the "VN mongs" say? Instead of nerfing Savages to dust (proper fixes please) make Mercenaries and Blademasters stronger, please

xx

 

[Ekydus]

Nerf NS DDs.
Nerf SB easy spec lines.


Mmmkay. ~_~

 

[Amadon]

Originally posted by Lumikki
Who actually gives a damn what the "VN mongs" say? Instead of nerfing Savages to dust (proper fixes please) make Mercenaries and Blademasters stronger, please

xx

yes because tanks are such rp cows to casters

please make them even more powerful

 

[-RG-Jaond]

Originally posted by donttouchpoopy
"I am so going to laugh hard when DF gets a nerf."

Not as much as the infils - who will still ahnd you your butt on a plate because:

- a minor reduction (1-2 secs) will not be noticable.
- a complete style change will be as part of a thrust line revamp which we'll welcome!
- if its a big nerf, then large numbers of infils will go slash. And who out there do we know with slash vuln armour....

Jokes on you when you realise that infils didn't rely on 'DF4tehwin' and that the impact would be minimal

NO DF4tehwin?

Then tell me how i can get a infil to 10% hp when I still have 90% hp, then Dragonfanged cant do shit for 9sec and dead.

How can you say its not DF4tehwin?

Do you honestly think its your skill when you evade and press one buttom.

 

[Carlos Bananos]

Originally posted by donttouchpoopy
- if its a big nerf, then large numbers of infils will go slash. And who out there do we know with slash vuln armour....

NS? ...no...wait


personally, as a shadowblade, slash Infils aint that hard, the debuff knocks em back to last week.

 

[jox]

Originally posted by donttouchpoopy
"I am so going to laugh hard when DF gets a nerf."

Not as much as the infils - who will still ahnd you your butt on a plate because:

- a minor reduction (1-2 secs) will not be noticable.
- a complete style change will be as part of a thrust line revamp which we'll welcome!
- if its a big nerf, then large numbers of infils will go slash. And who out there do we know with slash vuln armour....

Jokes on you when you realise that infils didn't rely on 'DF4tehwin' and that the impact would be minimal

9 sec -> 7 sec = - 26% = big difference.

 

[stinkie]

Originally posted by -RG-Jaond
NO DF4tehwin?

Then tell me how i can get a infil to 10% hp when I still have 90% hp, then Dragonfanged cant do shit for 9sec and dead.

How can you say its not DF4tehwin?

Do you honestly think its your skill when you evade and press one buttom.

What your saying is u can get an infil to 10% health when your on 90% health. so your hitting 900% harder on average by your math. and you want a 9 sec stun nerfed.

oki bud what ever u say.

 

[BidAccount]

9 sec stun = SBs bitch and whine
7 sec stun = SBs still bitch and whine
Anyone but the SB winning = SBs bitch and whine.

The problem is not with DF.....

 

[Driwen]

Originally posted by stinkie
What your saying is u can get an infil to 10% health when your on 90% health. so your hitting 900% harder on average by your math. and you want a 9 sec stun nerfed.

oki bud what ever u say.

he got pa cd in (no idea how much damage that should do to a buffed sc'ed infil along with the stun ofc) or the infil had just finished a fight?

 

[BidAccount]

And a 10% health infil can take out 90% of a buffed out the wazoo SBs hits in 9 seconds?

SB buffed hits 1700(ish), unless Kobbie (around 1600ish).

So an infil in 9 secs can do 1400 damage?

Exaggerating just a little now are we?

 

[-RG-Jaond]

Originally posted by stinkie
What your saying is u can get an infil to 10% health when your on 90% health. so your hitting 900% harder on average by your math. and you want a 9 sec stun nerfed.

oki bud what ever u say.

You know what pa + cd is? Not often in a stealth fight you get use of it but it happends.

With that and some nice back styles its good dmg but how does that help when you just have to evade once to win when sb dont have purge up?

 

[BidAccount]

Ah so he evade stunned (DF), THEN used vanish (timered RA), then PA'd & CD, then rear/side style.

Still not seeing 1400 damage there - unless we're talking a 50 CS infil with some damn lucky numbers.

 

[Kurik BHM]

Originally posted by stinkie


2) A number of midguards styles are changed to open from evade.

Stinks

 

[-RG-Jaond]

Originally posted by donttouchpoopy
And a 10% health infil can take out 90% of a buffed out the wazoo SBs hits in 9 seconds?

SB buffed hits 1700(ish), unless Kobbie (around 1600ish).

So an infil in 9 secs can do 1400 damage?

Exaggerating just a little now are we?

Maybe not you, but i will tell you something if you try to use that greater enervating poison you got acces to maybe you will do a little better.

118 str/con debuff 118*6=708
So 2708hp what am i doing wrong i only got 2050 fully buffed.

And then lifebane on that 64*6=384

So then we got 300 damage if you cant do that in 9sec you realy got a problem.

 

[-RG-Jaond]

Originally posted by donttouchpoopy
Ah so he evade stunned (DF), THEN used vanish (timered RA), then PA'd & CD, then rear/side style.

Still not seeing 1400 damage there - unless we're talking a 50 CS infil with some damn lucky numbers.

Did I say he used it?

 

[Vasconcelos]

Originally posted by -RG-Jaond
NO DF4tehwin?

Then tell me how i can get a infil to 10% hp when I still have 90% hp, then Dragonfanged cant do shit for 9sec and dead.

How can you say its not DF4tehwin?

Do you honestly think its your skill when you evade and press one buttom.

And do you honestly think its your skill when you take another assasin to 10% while you at 90% using:

- Face, Garrote/backupHamstring, Achilles/backupHamstring,........


- Face, DFrost/backupComeback , ........




The toetotoe fights btwn stealthers requires small skill fyi. Dragonfang overpowerdness apart.

 

[-RG-Jaond]

Originally posted by Vasconcelos
And do you honestly think its your skill when you take another assasin to 10% while you at 90% using:

- Face, Garrote/backupHamstring, Achilles/backupHamstring,........


- Face, DFrost/backupComeback , ........




The toetotoe fights btwn stealthers requires small skill fyi. Dragonfang overpowerdness apart.

The only style of those i use is Comeback

 

[BidAccount]

Not following your maths now....

2000 hits, or was it 2750.

With 700 off (So either 2000/1300)

So that infil still needs to do 1300 in 9 secs - now not sure whether they're PAing or not as first you say they were, then they weren't...

(And lifebane takes more than 9 secs to tic 6 times - you only get that 64/tick on zero resists/lowbies)