any chance of seeing albs and hibs raid each others relics soon?

[xajorkith]

Thanks nol and kirennia for you constructive replies, I was getting quite disheartened by the poor replies as most were just 1 up or playground egotistical rhetoric.

If Albs and Hibs are content with their status quo, then it is indeed up to Mid to do something, Alb is difficult because of their numbers, Hibernia is difficult with 20% power bonus which is ideal for defending keeps, and because there is always a significant Alb zerg in Emain to disrupt things for us.

With Ardamels gone, Midgard has no leader and I can't see good quality raids happening until someone picks up his mantle.

The Hibernian raid was indeed a sneaky successful raid, although I think the finest raid was the Hibernian raid where they stole the relic whilst Mids and Albs fought over a keep. There was no log in, no alarm clock, just fantastic opportunist thought and great short notice organisation. Although good raids in their own right the relics were still not fought over (which was down to the Mids), I want Epic five hour battles! The Hibs with their tiny population are certainly kings of the Relic Raid and certainly have my respect.

Anyway I can't be arsed with these boards no more and I'll no longer post. The whole world and his dog knows I want Epic battles and for Relics to be taken with at least some effort. The Albion flames have certainly pissed me off, and I wished I hadn't advocated our server to actually have proper fights, I never realised I was in such a small minority.

Xajorkith out.

 

[vintervargen]

hah, if someone would take the str relics from alb now, they would have 17FG infils and mincers doing ninja raid on the relic keep

 

[old.Ramas]

Originally posted by old.Nol
http://www.conspiracytheory.com

People like you give Albion a bad name

How is suggesting that you can't raid for 6 relics at once a conspiracy?

On the original subject....

The real reason there are fewer relic raids is that the vast majority of players (all realms) feel more comfortable complaining about the lack of raids than they do actually organising one themselves, or supporting someone else who is organising one.

/shrug

To be fair, it doesn't help either that the reward system is suited only to 1fg gank group roaming, or that the "community" considers anything other than 1fg aimless roaming to be uncool. But there isn't much anyone here can do about that.

 

[kirennia]

Originally posted by old.Ramas
What a strange comment.

Even if taking 6 relics meant they are 100% undefendable, the worst that can happen is that in one raid hibgard can take us down to 3 relics; which is no worse than we are today, and is the very best position we can be in after a hibgard raid while we have 3 relics.

Worse would be, we take all 6 relics, midgard go and take the strength relics with about 2fg (because lack of guards would leave the relic keep as a normal keep in terms of defence).

Now we are left with the power relics which are damned hard to defend because of their stupid position

 

[Jarrax]

From all the "we rock..we're the best etc etc" threads and comments from the last RR.
All I read now is excuses about why Albs cant/wont take all 6 relics.
You certainly have the numbers to retake any relics almost at will.

 

[brommix]

so Xajorkith when you have been proven a hypocrit you dont want to debate anymore ?? why not jsut ADMIT you were wrong and that the albs used SAME tactics as mids have on more than one occasion and leave it at that ?? . Instead you just act like a spoiled brat who cant get his way.

 

[old.Nol]

Originally posted by xajorkith
Thanks nol and kirennia for you constructive replies, I was getting quite disheartened by the poor replies as most were just 1 up or playground egotistical rhetoric.

If Albs and Hibs are content with their status quo, then it is indeed up to Mid to do something, Alb is difficult because of their numbers, Hibernia is difficult with 20% power bonus which is ideal for defending keeps, and because there is always a significant Alb zerg in Emain to disrupt things for us.

With Ardamels gone, Midgard has no leader and I can't see good quality raids happening until someone picks up his mantle.

The Hibernian raid was indeed a sneaky successful raid, although I think the finest raid was the Hibernian raid where they stole the relic whilst Mids and Albs fought over a keep. There was no log in, no alarm clock, just fantastic opportunist thought and great short notice organisation. Although good raids in their own right the relics were still not fought over (which was down to the Mids), I want Epic five hour battles! The Hibs with their tiny population are certainly kings of the Relic Raid and certainly have my respect.

Anyway I can't be arsed with these boards no more and I'll no longer post. The whole world and his dog knows I want Epic battles and for Relics to be taken with at least some effort. The Albion flames have certainly pissed me off, and I wished I hadn't advocated our server to actually have proper fights, I never realised I was in such a small minority.

Xajorkith out.

Much as I would love to be able to lead a force of 200+ people on a relic raid for Hib I can't, we don't have the numbers.

I also love the great massive battles and keep battles, I find regular rvr tedious, boring and repeitive and as soon as I can regularly log in, Hib will going for Alb relics regardless of realm guard count. Just for some fun.

 

[Aussie-]

only mids are so stupid to take more then 3

 

[old.Nol]

Originally posted by old.Ramas


How is suggesting that you can't raid for 6 relics at once a conspiracy?

On the original subject....

The real reason there are fewer relic raids is that the vast majority of players (all realms) feel more comfortable complaining about the lack of raids than they do actually organising one themselves, or supporting someone else who is organising one.

/shrug

To be fair, it doesn't help either that the reward system is suited only to 1fg gank group roaming, or that the "community" considers anything other than 1fg aimless roaming to be uncool. But there isn't much anyone here can do about that.

You will notice I highlighted "Hibguard" in my quote. I find it pretty funny that the maker of this post is implying that Albs and Hibs have a treaty, yet at the same time you're implying it's Mid and Hib.

If there is a truce between hib/mid/alb I don't know about it, and believe me, I will spare neither Albs nor Mids. In any given situation I will determine which is the bigger threat and attack that first.

If you made a mistake, it was silly, if it was intentional, then it's stupid.

 

[Jergiot]

Originally posted by old.Nol
You will notice I highlighted "Hibguard" in my quote. I find it pretty funny that the maker of this post is implying that Albs and Hibs have a treaty, yet at the same time you're implying it's Mid and Hib.

If there is a truce between hib/mid/alb I don't know about it, and believe me, I will spare neither Albs nor Mids. In any given situation I will determine which is the bigger threat and attack that first.

If you made a mistake, it was silly, if it was intentional, then it's stupid.

all lies, Nol always /hugs me and go after the enemy.
its a treaty for sure.

 

[ilaya]

hahaha! and everyone thought that I spoke shite!

erm.. lets say 7pm gmt tomorrow guys.. so mids can intercept all relic in transit yeah? they obviously need help..

Hibs kinda like power relics.. odd but true

its up to lame arse fotm mids to try take them from us.. dont even dare suggest albs and hibs should raid each other if mids too chickenshit to try it themselves.

 

[ilaya]

oh and btw.. since when did hib have lots of peeps? since mids lost relics perhaps? i aint seen them.. whine somewhere else plz coz it aint gonna cut any shit with us.

 

[old.Nol]

Originally posted by Jergiot
all lies, Nol always /hugs me and go after the enemy.
its a treaty for sure.

shhh tbh, it's a seekrit

 

[Pandemic]

Re: Re: any chance of seeing albs and hibs raid each others relics soon?

Originally posted by Divinia
u wanna play 007 again? xD

rofl good one. so true

 

[lac_desariel]

To many dont think Albion want the relics from HIB, ok here goes, Albions Raiders ATM are me and Herbal, Im an Ice Wizard hes a Cleric... 20% more pbae and healing

Guess what Albions coming for them, and if I know Old.Nol like i think I do he will relish in the idea of a fight for them and also is planing a take of the Strenght relics Or maybe a retake of the power ;p

But most of all guess the fun comes not from Holding relics but the massing of an Army and taking of them, Ask any Raid leader this.

 

[quinthar]

Originally posted by old.Nol
Hib's last raid was a good raid. It was right in the middle of primetime, 5 fg's logged out, but they were a deception and got killed logging in. The rest moved along the zone walls. We took down all 3 doors in sequence. Mids had ample time to come defend but not even one group tried to get in.

Aint the first time they failed to respond either if I recall correctly, A la "Nottmoor incident".

 

[quinthar]

Originally posted by old.Ramas
What a strange comment.

Even if taking 6 relics meant they are 100% undefendable, the worst that can happen is that in one raid hibgard can take us down to 3 relics; which is no worse than we are today, and is the very best position we can be in after a hibgard raid while we have 3 relics.

Actually the worst that can happen is that we lose 6 relics in 15mins..

 

[quinthar]

Originally posted by marczje
ah, setting alarm on 5.30 cet 1 january then

lol, tell us something we dont know.

 

[quinthar]

Originally posted by xajorkith
Thanks nol and kirennia for you constructive replies, I was getting quite disheartened by the poor replies as most were just 1 up or playground egotistical rhetoric.

If Albs and Hibs are content with their status quo, then it is indeed up to Mid to do something, Alb is difficult because of their numbers, Hibernia is difficult with 20% power bonus which is ideal for defending keeps, and because there is always a significant Alb zerg in Emain to disrupt things for us.

With Ardamels gone, Midgard has no leader and I can't see good quality raids happening until someone picks up his mantle.

The Hibernian raid was indeed a sneaky successful raid, although I think the finest raid was the Hibernian raid where they stole the relic whilst Mids and Albs fought over a keep. There was no log in, no alarm clock, just fantastic opportunist thought and great short notice organisation. Although good raids in their own right the relics were still not fought over (which was down to the Mids), I want Epic five hour battles! The Hibs with their tiny population are certainly kings of the Relic Raid and certainly have my respect.

Anyway I can't be arsed with these boards no more and I'll no longer post. The whole world and his dog knows I want Epic battles and for Relics to be taken with at least some effort. The Albion flames have certainly pissed me off, and I wished I hadn't advocated our server to actually have proper fights, I never realised I was in such a small minority.

Xajorkith out.

Erm you forgot your bat and ball......

 

[old.Ramas]

Originally posted by old.Nol
I find it pretty funny that the maker of this post is implying that Albs and Hibs have a treaty, yet at the same time you're implying it's Mid and Hib.

Given the impossibility of closely managing the direction and activity of a single DAoC guild, never mind realm, I always found the idea that a 2 realm alliance could exist in this game amusing. I didn't realise xaj was even suggesting it - but now you point it out it makes the original post slightly funnier.

I only refer to you all as hibgard because, ugly hibs or stinking mids, it's all the same to me. I'm sure your nearest and dearest can tell you apart, but from an alb point of view it's just one big mass of heathens that need a killin'.

Feel free to take offence, but not for the reason you mention.

 

[Runolaz]

Originally posted by kirennia
mate, whichever way you look at it, it's pretty much upto Mids to do a next big raid on hib or alb because both of us are sitting pretty atm with our relics, it's only mids who are falling short. The simple reason we don't go and take the hib relics is that Albion power relics are ridiculously difficult to defend and with zero high level guards in either keeps, a FG of mids or hibs could just storm the relic keep and take them back like a normal frontier keep....lol

I fully agree that it is up to the Midgard to do the next RR. I don't believe there is a truce between Albion and Hibernia, just that they are both happy about the current situation. In addition Midgard started sleeping (me inkl.) with regards to the Keeps and that ultimatly leeds to loss of Relics. Midgard needs to feel _the pain_ of not having them, and we are not at that point yet. When it comes to Relics Midgard has imho the hardest task of getting them, and it gets harder every day.

The powerrelics are imho close to impossible to get primetime as Emain is crowded every day and there is no way you can move a relic force without getting spotted and reporded via IRC etc. Even if you beat the Hibs at the Relic, Albion will most likely come with a zerg in the back to farm some easy RP.

The strengthrelics are hard to get too, cuz of Alb high numbers. In addition there are tonns of chars logged in the Relic and as time progress more lvl 50 are made and more are logged. Thus we need to strike the Relic at the same time as the Keeps are beeing attacked using SB to take out ppl that logg, but you need a huge force for this. I'm not sure we can gather such a force atm.

Originally posted by kirennia
I agree relics have been poorly implemented, the guard spawn should definately be put in relation to time of day, numbers online etc but for some reason, Mythic wont do it.

Ooh yeah, and wheres ardamel gone, I thought he said he'd have our relics back in no time

All I know is that he has found a girl + uni. He said he will be back after new year, but we'll see. Anyway he has put down a shitload of time for his friends, our Guild, our Alliance and Midgard, but sooner or later you run out of "fuel" and need a break.

I think that a RR from Midgard that has a marginal chance of actually getting the Relics needs to be done in the weekend, most likely some time during the day when the server is less populated, but still within acceptable time.

 

[old.Ramas]

Originally posted by Runolaz
In addition Midgard started sleeping (me inkl.) with regards to the Keeps and that ultimatly leeds to loss of Relics.

This is a myth.

Only once has a relic ever been taken by the slow collection of keeps followed by repeated raids on the relic keep.

And on that occasion everyone moaned because it took too long. And went past the defending mids bedtime.

Relics fall to 30 minute lightning attacks. And they are defended by the owning realm having enough random roaming groups who can be trusted to correctly identify and broadcast a relic raid while it is on the way in.

The way to defend a relic is to run gank groups in your own frontier - retaking keeps is entirely a secondary matter.

Unfortunately.

 

[Runolaz]

Originally posted by old.Ramas
This is a myth.

Only once has a relic ever been taken by the slow collection of keeps followed by repeated raids on the relic keep.

And on that occasion everyone moaned because it took too long. And went past the defending mids bedtime.

Relics fall to 30 minute lightning attacks. And they are defended by the owning realm having enough random roaming groups who can be trusted to correctly identify and broadcast a relic raid while it is on the way in.

The way to defend a relic is to run gank groups in your own frontier - retaking keeps is entirely a secondary matter.

Unfortunately.

It is not a myth that Midgard slowly started to give up its own frontier and keeps long before the actual RR - fewer and fewer ppl started showing up. If you stop careing for your frontier and Keeps you will ultimatly loose your relics. Speed in gathering enough defenders are just as critical as it is for the attackers, and from what I've been told Midgard reacted too slow, but imho the writing was on the wall - it was time for a change.

 

[old.Nol]

Originally posted by old.Ramas
Given the impossibility of closely managing the direction and activity of a single DAoC guild, never mind realm, I always found the idea that a 2 realm alliance could exist in this game amusing. I didn't realise xaj was even suggesting it - but now you point it out it makes the original post slightly funnier.

I only refer to you all as hibgard because, ugly hibs or stinking mids, it's all the same to me. I'm sure your nearest and dearest can tell you apart, but from an alb point of view it's just one big mass of heathens that need a killin'.

Feel free to take offence, but not for the reason you mention.

ahhh, no offense taken then infidel scum

 

[old.Nol]

I'm not going to tell you how to raid hib, but a prime time raid is not impossible, it takes some effort and some research...and like all RR's, a little luck.

However, if the first one fails do not be disheartened, start again.

 

[old.Nol]

Originally posted by lac_desariel
To many dont think Albion want the relics from HIB, ok here goes, Albions Raiders ATM are me and Herbal, Im an Ice Wizard hes a Cleric... 20% more pbae and healing

Guess what Albions coming for them, and if I know Old.Nol like i think I do he will relish in the idea of a fight for them and also is planing a take of the Strenght relics Or maybe a retake of the power ;p

But most of all guess the fun comes not from Holding relics but the massing of an Army and taking of them, Ask any Raid leader this.

Soon as I sort out some personal stuff All your relix are belong to me tbh

 

[Gordonax]

Originally posted by old.Nol
I'm not going to tell you how to raid hib, but a prime time raid is not impossible, it takes some effort and some research...and like all RR's, a little luck.

I have a top secret plan:

1. Find out the names and addresses of everyone that plays Hib.
2. Send each Hib 1 (One) bottle of extremely strong whiskey.
3. Hibs being greedy, they will instantly drink the whiskey.
4. Hibs can't take their drink, and so they will all instantly pass out.
5. Run into keep and take relics.

It's a long shot, but it might *just* work.

 

[Gordonax]

Originally posted by old.Ramas

The way to defend a relic is to run gank groups in your own frontier - retaking keeps is entirely a secondary matter.

The key to defending is knowing where your enemy is, in what numbers, and where they're heading - and then getting defenders quickly and in numbers to the right places.

When the Mids lost the relics, it came against a background of us having raided them in large numbers, knocking over several keeps, every couple of weeks for a couple of months. I'm sure there were more than a few Mids that, when the first keeps fell on the relic raid, stayed where they were as they thought it was just another large-scale keeptake rather than a relic raid. Like you say, it's not retaking the keeps that matters, but you do need to react fast when there's a large number of enemy in your frontier.

The other mistake that Mids made was to try and form "balanced" groups at Svasud - which wasted time. All you need to have on a relic defence is someone with speed to get you to the relic keep fast. Relic defence is about numbers more than balance on a 1fg level.

 

[Gordonax]

Originally posted by Runolaz
In addition there are tonns of chars logged in the Relic and as time progress more lvl 50 are made and more are logged.

iirc as of 1.65, you can't log into a keep that's under attack - you're automatically ported back to the border keep. So as of that patch, there's no point in logging characters in relic keeps.