Anti Radar WORKING on US.

[gravedigger]

Hope GOA gets this patch-update-hotfix...whatever it is they use to track em down..very fast...

And they also do some effort to track down those muppets that use it...couple of perma bans...and sure 80% of the people using it atm will think twice about using a radar again.

Atm it seems daoc is turning into counterstrike more & more each day...altho counterstrike was a free game, it sucked to have cheaters...but you had xxx servers you could play on.
For daoc there are only a limited amount of servers you can play on...and we all pay our subcription each month to GOA...

But it's good news to see they finally are taking action against em.

lol so you say everyone is usin radar sure sure


and counterstrike lol you really must be old 2 play game like that try play a real game like UT 2k3 or 4 than you can talk like a grown up

 

[Brolundar]

50 banned? for a month or forever?

If they suspended 500 accounts for a week, why not reset RP/KP of all chars on these accounts, as RP/KP are gained via cheats? And if a guild involved, reset GRP/GKP too.

Mesage to me is, you may cheat until we catch you, and if we catch you, you will only be suspended for a week, but may keep all other advantages you got from cheating.

Thanks mythic uke:

 

[vintervargen]

wonder if they went through mordred... cause if they did, population would be halved within a week

 

[gravedigger]

Will be many "i quit" threads when it arrives here xD

yeah and maybe from you 2

 

[cougar]

yeah and maybe from you 2

just a clueless accusation or you got something to back it up with?

 

[Gordonax]

50 banned? for a month or forever?

If they suspended 500 accounts for a week, why not reset RP/KP of all chars on these accounts, as RP/KP are gained via cheats? And if a guild involved, reset GRP/GKP too.

Mesage to me is, you may cheat until we catch you, and if we catch you, you will only be suspended for a week, but may keep all other advantages you got from cheating.

Thanks mythic uke:

Hmm, did you actually read the original Mythic post? They issued a load of one-day bans in the first sweep. People then caught for the second time in the second sweep (50 of them) got permabans - banned for good, no return, ever. Account gone. People caught for the FIRST time in the second sweep got a seven-day ban - 500 of them. In other words, the punishment for a first time offence got upped, and, of course, any of them caught again will get permabanned. I'd expect first-timers to lose a month next time.

All of which seems fair to me.

 

[Gear]

Atm it seems daoc is turning into counterstrike more & more each day...altho counterstrike was a free game, it sucked to have cheaters...but you had xxx servers you could play on.

I work in a company where we run CS-CZ servers with free access. Cheaters are not allowed. Our admins have the authority to kick/ban users found using wallhack, aimbot, OGC. One report to valve also solves the cheating problem as the account can receive a perma-ban from valve itself.

WD mythic, it's about time.

PS. My personal experience says that for each cheater that you lose from your clientele, you have 5 new players joining in and enjoying the game.

 

[vintervargen]

not that it has any connection to daoc, but i just luuuuuv admins who kick you for wh/aimbot usage.

lets just hope the guys at GOA that 'spectate' reported people have actually played this game

 

[Talifer]

If the first wave caught a 'few' hundred people using radar, let's take the lowest figure this could be (200), and the second wave caught 500 people not caught in the first wave, that's a minimum of 700 people caught on the US servers so far. Now take the number of US server, not including co-op (got to assume it's not so useful there), 17 I think? That gives, on average, 41 radar users per server. So if we apply this average to the European server and say there's probably about 40 radar users on Excalibur (which is probably on the low side as the population is above average here). This could equate to there being 5 to 40 groups out there with a radar user, that's 40 to 320 people taking advantage of it (since you only need one person in a group using it). Lets take a low figure inbetween, say 15 groups, assume a 66% play rate (so 5 not online/in RvR at peak times), that would give 10 groups, lets say 2 are in Odins, leaving 8 groups in Emain using radar at peak times.

That's just depressing

And I'm erring on the side of caution here, firstly I'd assume Mythic would rather play down the figures than inflate them so I'd guess the actual stats Mythic give are low. Secondly this is the number of people caught, which has to be a subset of the people who actually used it (unless people were wrongly accused), you'd have to say that the smarter people using these cheats would have stopped when NF hit, if for no other reason that to wait and see what happened with the new detection system before continuing to cheat. You've also got to assume that the first warning suspensions stopped a few people continuing. Thirdly the population base across all servers is uneven and so the number of users on higher population servers (like Excalibur) will be higher than that on lower population servers. So having said that I think the problem on Excalibur is probably much greater than the guesses made above

Talifer

 

[Ilienwyn]

Nice going Mythic.


GOA get that here fast and start banning without notice!!!

 

[Glottis]

I imagine they changed the way in which they detected the radar cheaters after the first wave of bans (which explains why they caught so many).
Also, they might have focused on one cheating programme, while leading the other untouched (might work slightly different). But 500 retards who did not believe that Mythic would catch them after being warned (and Mythic proved they where not talking bollocks).
I would prefer an automated process though, above the Admin CS approach. You kill 3-4 people in a row with a headshot, and they will all complain about a cheat. I do imagine Mythic is much more carefull in being absolutely sure about the cheating, as they will lose actual paying customers. But it is indeed only good for the game when things are leveled out for everybody.
Regards, Glottis

 

[Ilienwyn]

They will be more, don't forget it's summer and people go on holidays from time to time

 

[tazzbe]

lol so you say everyone is usin radar sure sure


and counterstrike lol you really must be old 2 play game like that try play a real game like UT 2k3 or 4 than you can talk like a grown up

If you read my post again...i say 80% of the radar users...not 80% of the players...

And i haven't played counterstrike since the day i got into closed daoc beta...so...been a while yes. Counterstrike was fun for me to play it with some mates and have some sort of voiceprogram open and have a laugh with eachother while playing. If i like something i kinda stick to the game...also played counterstrike since first beta's...

Maybe UT etc are "better"...it's all about how you like to play a game...and counterstrike was fun for me...just like daoc is now.

 

[Hestethun]

/agree, i imagine one or two of the people on here are abusers themselves

even better idea Goa should say they arent going to use the same methods then a week after NF they switch the anti-cheat software on and bam a load of people with 0 RPs - also take these RP's away from the guild (players personal contribution ofc) shock tactics are whats called for.

lol leave the guilds out of it. What player do hes problem , not the guilds problem.

 

[MesS°]

lol leave the guilds out of it. What player do hes problem , not the guilds problem.

It _is_ the guilds problem tho...

And will/should reflect badly opon them, as a guildgroup beeing driven by a radaring member are just as guilty...

Burn them all, i say!!

 

[Brolundar]

Hmm, did you actually read the original Mythic post? They issued a load of one-day bans in the first sweep. People then caught for the second time in the second sweep (50 of them) got permabans - banned for good, no return, ever. Account gone. People caught for the FIRST time in the second sweep got a seven-day ban - 500 of them. In other words, the punishment for a first time offence got upped, and, of course, any of them caught again will get permabanned. I'd expect first-timers to lose a month next time.

All of which seems fair to me.

I read post, but its not enough, after a week cheater can contiue playing, and he kept all rp he got.
Cheater should be stripped of all RP he got, that's my mind.

 

[Belomar]

Caution, caution, gravedigger has entered the thread and is polluting it.

 

[vintervargen]

what is a programme?

 

[Tay]

they slapped 500 wrists in that wave. 50 accounts were banned.

anyone on the EU servers using radar take note.

this to me is very good news.


mod edit

Keep nailing them censi..

 

[Edaemos]

lol leave the guilds out of it. What player do hes problem , not the guilds problem.

Nope wipe the guild rp's as well, guilty concience?

 

[Tay]

Nice to see that they acually made some think to counter radar that works

Ive decided to do a bit of research on it, and from what I can gather the cheat software can actually check for a validity packet, when it gets that it knows that Mythic is sniffing for a cheat..

I suspect the cheats will have a working fix soo, I hope to god they dont but cheats are rotton to the core they thrive on fucking over other people..

 

[Tay]

im hoping its legit ...... i'd also prfer to see a 1st warning as as said on those threads above there rp's set to zero....

because if they get banned no1 will know and they will make a leaving thread and everybody will wish em luck etc etc not knowing what cheating bastards they were....

where as if they get rp's reset EVERYBODY will know who the losers are!! then instead of "good luck mate your a awesome player" there leaving thread will consits of "good riddance you cheating wanker"

Agree.

 

[Tay]

/agree, i imagine one or two of the people on here are abusers themselves

even better idea Goa should say they arent going to use the same methods then a week after NF they switch the anti-cheat software on and bam a load of people with 0 RPs - also take these RP's away from the guild (players personal contribution ofc) shock tactics are whats called for.

Might as well name and shame them then.

Server broadcast message on log on "Welcome to DAOC Server version 1.68 - And todays cheating c*** is: "mod edit"

 

[Aloca]

The first wave didnt pick up cheat program Z. 2nd wave did

 

[Yossarian]

Yeah totally agree the first warning with a Reset in RP, Now that would be interesting to see.

To the bug abusers saying they are gunna quit...LOL....GOOD we don't want cheating gits playing the game. 10x their number of new players probably cancelled after getting insta ganked everytime they stuck their head out in the frontier.

/wave

 

[Flimgoblin]

Ive decided to do a bit of research on it, and from what I can gather the cheat software can actually check for a validity packet, when it gets that it knows that Mythic is sniffing for a cheat..

I suspect the cheats will have a working fix soo, I hope to god they dont but cheats are rotton to the core they thrive on fucking over other people..

Apparently, the maker of the commercial radar program said he altered it to stop mythic from detecting it ...

this was before this latest round of bannings (which included a whole load of people using this commercial program)

 

[Heath]

I totally agree with the reset to zero on RPs. That way we can all see who the offending people are. I am all for the name and shame. But, without proper proof all we get on FH is slander and hearsay. If the big difference comes from the mouths of Mythic and GOA, nobody who gets reset or banned can cray about it and call them liars. As i don't do RvR very often i do not see what the radar user can do. Although, i have been in groups from time to time where we get attacked from behind (5 times in a row from the same guild seems a bit dodgy). So, anything that makes these abusers leave the game with their tails between their legs is a good thing. Cant wait til they start over here and see all the "bye bye, leaving game cos i had enough" threads going up !!

Well done Mythic and GOA. :worthy:

 

[Aloca]

2000 have downloaded the program last month. lets say those 500 that got the ban now is all of those, lets say 50% of the US people also stoped using radar.
So that would mean that it is about 1000 US people downloaded this program.
then it is 1000 EU ?
diveded by server numbers we are looking at 80-150 new radar users on excalibur last month

 

[cougar]

Lets pray to our temple of daoc in France that they just insta-radarcheck without any warning and do a fullscale sweep. Should make the differance.

 

[judas]

2000 have downloaded the program last month. lets say those 500 that got the ban now is all of those, lets say 50% of the US people also stoped using radar.
So that would mean that it is about 1000 US people downloaded this program.
then it is 1000 EU ?
diveded by server numbers we are looking at 80-150 new radar users on excalibur last month

dout that all of the ppl downloading Radar continue using it tho.
and dont think mythic has banned all ppl using radar but many.
and crap players are still crap even if they use radars,
well exept maybe leaching radar cabbys and mofos like that...