another step too far?

[babs]

*lights blue touch paper*

http://www.eveningstar.co.uk/conten...ory=znews&itemid=IPED04 Feb 2006 12:13:02:703

*runs to safe vantage point*

 

[throdgrain]

MORONS ! bastards!
etc etc

 

[Ashala]

once again showing religion is laughable (imo)

 

[Calaen]

Seems that everyone wants to be in the papers.

Throd take all your clothes of and run around the streets.

 

[throdgrain]

No, not after last time ...

 

[`mongoose]

once again showing religion is laughable (imo)

How does that story show that religion is laughable?

I am generally interested to know this btw, it's not a wind up.

I read that story thinking, Does anyone find the hot cross bun offensive?

I then thought to myself, why would you find a bun offensive?

Finally I thought, what a great way to get the school in the press. Tbh it makes the headteacher look dotty imo, I would be very surprised if any one got upset by a bun.

I wonder do Jehovah's witnesses find the hot cross bun offensive? If so why? Do we have any witnesses on the forum who would care to comment ?

M

 

[Calaen]

Well there is a quote in the report from a witness who says that he would find the hot cross bun offensive. Which actually is stupid. It has Life of Brian all over it.

 

[ECA]

I wonder do Jehovah's witnesses find the hot cross bun offensive? If so why? Do we have any witnesses on the forum who would care to comment ?

M

I know we have some right thickos on the forums but surely not anyone dumb enough to be a Jehovahs?

hmmm maybe some of the daocers............

 

[Ashala]

How does that story show that religion is laughable?

I am generally interested to know this btw, it's not a wind up.

I read that story thinking, Does anyone find the hot cross bun offensive?

I then thought to myself, why would you find a bun offensive?

Finally I thought, what a great way to get the school in the press. Tbh it makes the headteacher look dotty imo, I would be very surprised if any one got upset by a bun.

I wonder do Jehovah's witnesses find the hot cross bun offensive? If so why? Do we have any witnesses on the forum who would care to comment ?

M

not particularly this case, but in the means that you have to do so little (the article above) to wonder....oh shit am i offending anyone here with this shit ?

im just saying (in my own twisted words) that the world would be better off without religion (at least at the state of evolution we are in now)

 

[Stimpy]

It says she works in a primary school so that makes the kids about 4-7 or something?
I highly doubt they would care if a bun had a cross on it or not they would be to busy eating the things, unless they had those horrible orange peel bits in them cause they are just horrible.

 

[Maljonic]

I was going to say that it's her school so she can do what she likes, but when I first read it I thought she was serving some buns with crosses on and some without. I reread it to make sure and it seems that they're all without crosses.

That is so stupid on so many levels. Isn't she worried about offending anyone who does like having a cross on there? Also if the hot cross buns are offensive to everyone in her school, why bother having them at all?

It's probably a good reason why religion shouldn't be a part of school in any way, makes things much less complicated if Easter, Christmas, Diwali, Chanukah et cetera are things that happen at home with your family (or not if you aren't religious) and have nothing to do with state education.

 

[Scouse]

Who cares if some people are offended? I mean - getting offended is, quite rightly, part of life...

 

[Ashala]

Who cares if some people are offended? I mean - getting offended is, quite rightly, part of life...

but still would be better to avoid it wouldnt you agree ?

 

[Mazling]

I thought the religious types might see that it's about sacrifice, instead of just pointing out that it is 'wrong'.

 

[DaGaffer]

If a kid was offended by (*uncontrollable laughter*) a bun, then surely the answer would be to not eat it? Especially as, if I read the article correctly, they offered a choice of buns (*oh God it hurts*).

 

[TdC]

I only eat kosher buns tbh

 

[Damini]

The way I see it, and this is as an athiest, and an opinionated one at that: this is a Christian country. It has been for the longest time, and a lot of its culture and history is closely entwined with this religious background. As such, it should be a part of schools. It SHOULDN'T be in Science lessons, but it should be in RE. It SHOULDN'T be made that people from different religions are forced to celebrate christmas and draw cards, but it should be an event recognised in schools and nationwide, and those that decline to participate in the celebrations can be given alternative things to do. People shouldn't be made to eat hot cross buns, but they shouldn't be deprived the option to do so either.

I refused to pray in school assemblys, because its not my religion, but I never protested that prayer should be scrapped. If I went to another country, I would not expect them to put aside their religious ideals to cater for me, and in fact, I'd find it sad if they did. If people's religious beliefs are so delicate that theyt get threatened by being exposed to other religious ideas, then they should self segregate, rather than insist on altering the culture around them to accomodate them, but in ninety nine percent of the times this isn't even the case - it's do gooders being hypothetically offended on other people's behalfs.

 

[Maljonic]

The way I see it, and this is as an athiest, and an opinionated one at that: this is a Christian country. It has been for the longest time, and a lot of its culture and history is closely entwined with this religious background. As such, it should be a part of schools. It SHOULDN'T be in Science lessons, but it should be in RE. It SHOULDN'T be made that people from different religions are forced to celebrate christmas and draw cards, but it should be an event recognised in schools and nationwide, and those that decline to participate in the celebrations can be given alternative things to do. People shouldn't be made to eat hot cross buns, but they shouldn't be deprived the option to do so either.

I refused to pray in school assemblys, because its not my religion, but I never protested that prayer should be scrapped. If I went to another country, I would not expect them to put aside their religious ideals to cater for me, and in fact, I'd find it sad if they did. If people's religious beliefs are so delicate that theyt get threatened by being exposed to other religious ideas, then they should self segregate, rather than insist on altering the culture around them to accomodate them, but in ninety nine percent of the times this isn't even the case - it's do gooders being hypothetically offended on other people's behalfs.

Well said, I agree with most of that. I'm still not convinced religion should be in schools though. I'm not sure that being there a very long time is a good reason to carry on doing something.

 

[Damini]

Like it or not, the religious background of a country has massive influence over its politics, its socialising, it's culture, its legal system... Being a Christian country has shaped England into the place it is today, and it would be daft to try to turn your back on it in school, as it infiltrates nearly every single part of life. Schools are meant to educate children about the world around them, and this is a Christian country, ergo christianity should be a present in education.

 

[Lazarus]

I am waiting for the various Roads Departments across the country to upgrade the roads, removing all crossroads for the benefit of Jehovas Witnesses.




What a pile of crock.

 

[Panda On Smack]

I'm a Witness

Ok, the problem here is that it's been misunderstood.

Im just in the middle of something but will reply in a minute

 

[Panda On Smack]

Im pretty sure that story has been twisted etc.

A bun isnt offensive, thats stupid. As a witness i dont celebrate Easter as quoted in that article so during that perioed of time i dont get involved in all the activities which could mean eating or drinking something together with others who are celebrating Easter. If I ate a bun during a meal at home at some other point in the year thats fine because im just eating, im not celebrating anything.

Its the conscious partaking and celebration of things which is something we avoid.

The school banning hot cross buns is extreme, that isnt necessary at all. What should have happened is that any Witness in that school just wouldnt have partaken in Easter type celebrations.

This is how misguided views develop and all of a sudden people think we're anal about bread products.

I have more thoughts but i cant word it very well

 

[Panda On Smack]

I know we have some right thickos on the forums but surely not anyone dumb enough to be a Jehovahs?

hmmm maybe some of the daocers............

Heh, what a stupid post

 

[Lazarus]

i hear u panda - and u make sense.

more than some of the muppets looking for their 15 mins of fame in the press.

 

[TdC]

Panda the voice of sanity Nice one!

 

[Maljonic]

Like it or not, the religious background of a country has massive influence over its politics, its socialising, it's culture, its legal system... Being a Christian country has shaped England into the place it is today, and it would be daft to try to turn your back on it in school, as it infiltrates nearly every single part of life. Schools are meant to educate children about the world around them, and this is a Christian country, ergo christianity should be a present in education.

I just don't think religion should play a part in schools outside of normal Religious Education classes. I don't think that being a mostly Christian country has shaped England. Played a part definately but not shaped entirely.

I just can't agree to saying something should be done a certain way just because it's being done that way for a long time, because if you go back far enough you get to a point where it hasn't been done for a long time - where religious beliefs were forced upon people in one way or another until it became part of their lives whether they liked it or not.

I believe you might just as well say we should all learn about being a druid or a pagan in schools if you're going to take the angle of tradition and nation-shaping belief systems.

 

[ECA]

Or using a good hanging to sort the buggers out.

 

[Panda On Smack]

I just don't think religion should play a part in schools outside of normal Religious Education classes.

I agree.

What happened in that School shouldn't have. As a sidenote though and something i wanted to point out is that it was the choice/decision of the Head Teacher to change the buns, not a Witness. Crowds of Witnesses didnt go down to the school rioting.

 

[Maljonic]

Exactly, religion is such a complex and personal thing in many ways - it shouldn't be up to teachers or head teachers to make decisions like this, they're bound to screw things up now and again. By removing religion from the school system other than RE classes you take away all this type of nonsense and PC worry.

 

[Damini]

Well, christmas, easter and many other celebrations have a dash of paganism in their ancestory, so I wouldn't be adverse to these be introduced into schools religious/history lessons. Christianity has a huge impact on our society - from sunday trading laws, laws on bigamy, to the fact we view drinking as an acceptable vice, to the ways our holidays are structured, the television shows we see on Sundays, the way with which we treat our dead... Like I said, I'm an athiest, so I don't believe anyone should be forced to worship, to pray, or to indulge in rituals they don't feel comfortable doing, but I see absolutely no fault in teaching RE up to a certain age, having prayers said in occasional assemblies, putting tinsel up at christmas, or serving hot cross buns. It's not like they were served with a sign saying "eat these and accept Christ as your personal saviour" - they are a pastry sweet inspired as a celebration of a christian issue. Eat, or don't eat. I don't eat them, and its not because as an athiest they'd make my mouth blister and my soul wither - it's because they taste rank.